Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

FinnTheHuman · Post #501 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:11 pm

GutUNC wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:The whole point of trading for Simmons would be to match him with Towns.

Edwards it is, then.

In your dreams.

Post #502 » by **Klomp** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:30 pm

There are recipes for early-season trades.

-Teams not happy with current results
-Teams not happy with current players

For example, Houston really has no reason to make a move. They aren't trying to win.

life_saver · Post #503 » by **life_saver** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:36 pm

What do people think about Siakam? His value is currently low when compared to couple of years ago and he hasn't lived up to expectations since the season when they won the title. It's going to be really hard but would love to see Wolves Front office explore the possibility of trading for Siakam

Neeva · Post #504 » by **Neeva** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:32 pm

Siakam has a bad contract.

winforlose · Post #505 » by **winforlose** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:08 pm

Neeva wrote:Siakam has a bad contract.

I agree but this might be a rare case of that being okay. I checked Prince and Beasley for him works. I wouldn’t give a draft pick but I would throw in a JO for one of theirs if they want to swap a young talent for more a seasoned defensive stopper or Nowell if they want an offensive specialist. Either way, I don’t see the Raptors dumping him without serious compensation.

winforlose · Post #506 » by **winforlose** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:00 pm

Gonna throw this name into the mix, Enes Kanter. Downsides are his attitude and he isn’t as big as I would like. Upsides he is out the rotation with Boston for 13 of 17 so he should be relatively affordable and his production in the games he has played has been decent to good. The biggest variable is his defense and need for minutes. He wants steady minutes and we could give them to him at backup or starting PF but Boston isn’t using him because he messes with their switching scheme. Thoughts (anyone who has seen him play the last few seasons is especially welcome.)

twolves31 · Post #507 » by **twolves31** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:40 pm

Neeva wrote:Siakam has a bad contract.

He is a NBA champion somewhat recently and was close to being the finals mvp. Few of our players have sniffed the playoffs. Is he overpaid yes, but I wouldn't put him anywhere near the worst contract and is a better contract than both Dlo and Beasely.

Note30 · Post #508 » by **Note30** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:58 pm

winforlose wrote:Gonna throw this name into the mix, Enes Kanter. Downsides are his attitude and he isn’t as big as I would like. Upsides he is out the rotation with Boston for 13 of 17 so he should be relatively affordable and his production in the games he has played has been decent to good. The biggest variable is his defense and need for minutes. He wants steady minutes and we could give them to him at backup or starting PF but Boston isn’t using him because he messes with their switching scheme. Thoughts (anyone who has seen him play the last few seasons is especially welcome.)

Great offensively, he makes Towns look like DPOY at the center position, I'm gonna pass.

winforlose · Post #509 » by **winforlose** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:05 pm

Note30 wrote:
winforlose wrote:Gonna throw this name into the mix, Enes Kanter. Downsides are his attitude and he isn’t as big as I would like. Upsides he is out the rotation with Boston for 13 of 17 so he should be relatively affordable and his production in the games he has played has been decent to good. The biggest variable is his defense and need for minutes. He wants steady minutes and we could give them to him at backup or starting PF but Boston isn’t using him because he messes with their switching scheme. Thoughts (anyone who has seen him play the last few seasons is especially welcome.)

Great offensively, he makes Towns look like DPOY at the center position, I'm gonna pass.

But does he fix the rebounding issue?

KGdaBom · Post #510 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:07 pm

Neeva wrote:Siakam has a bad contract.

I would love us acquiring that bad contract.

KGdaBom · Post #511 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:08 pm

twolves31 wrote:
Neeva wrote:Siakam has a bad contract.

He is a NBA champion somewhat recently and was close to being the finals mvp. Few of our players have sniffed the playoffs. Is he overpaid yes, but I wouldn't put him anywhere near the worst contract and is a better contract than both Dlo and Beasely.

Correctamundo.

shrink · Post #512 » by **shrink** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:16 pm

Neeva wrote:Siakam has a bad contract.

I agree. Siakim played a good 1.5 seasons, and people questioned whether he showed enough to get a max. TOR decided to give it to him, based on making an All NBA team. Immediately after getting paid, the league seemed to figure out Siakim and he saw his stats decline. In addition, he has had some injuries lately.

I wouldn’t say his contract is as horrible, but it’s definitely not good. I imagine if he was a free agent today, he’d get about $20-22 a year for three years, and he’s getting paid $33.5. And unless MIN is sending out DLo, they have to be concerned if they lose flexibility by locking into three max players, where only one of them is a star.

FinnTheHuman · Post #513 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:09 pm

Siakam is good, he's just not as good as Raps hoped he'd be, but that doesn't mean he's bad. Did you guys watch how he looked this season? Because I did, and he looks good.

If you're a top 50 player, the max pays off as opposed to having say a combo of Beasley + Prince on the books for the similar price, and Siakam is definitely a top 50 player, probably in the 30-38 range.

You guys have to realize that having a top 50 player + a replacement level player on a vet min is miles better than having 2 players around the 100-150 range for the same money, and right now Beasley and Prince are somewhere in that range.

So yeah, I'd do that trade every day of the week and twice on Sunday. But in reality the Raps would trade him to us only if we sent a 1st round pick on top of our package, and only if they knew that that pick would be like top 12 or top 10 or smth, which it probably wouldn't be if we had Siakam on top of our core.

Slim Tubby · Post #514 » by **Slim Tubby** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:13 pm

MIN in: Myles Turner ($18M) & TJ Warren ($12M)

IND in: McDaniels ($2M), Beasley ($15M), Prince ($13M Expiring) & 2022 FRP (Top 5)

The salaries work but how is the value?

C Towns/Reid
PF Turner/Vanderbilt
SF Warren/Okogie
SG Edwards/Nowell
PG Russell/Beverly

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winforlose · Post #515 » by **winforlose** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:26 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:MIN in: Myles Turner ($18M) & TJ Warren ($12M)

IND in: McDaniels ($2M), Beasley ($15M), Prince ($13M Expiring) & 2022 FRP (Top 5)

The salaries work but how is the value?

C Towns/Reid
PF Turner/Vanderbilt
SF Warren/Okogie
SG Edwards/Nowell
PG Russell/Beverly

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TJ Warren is an excellent fit when healthy, but he is never healthy. He played 4 games last season and before that has literally never been healthy and played an entire season. So what you are essentially doing is trading two important rotation players in Beasley and McDaniels alongside the guy who Turner replaces in Prince and almost certainly our first round pick for an expiring Warren (who is weeks or months out from coming back,) and Turner who is only under contract for this season and next. I think this is a bad trade for 3 reasons.

1. We lose most of our depth. 3 players for essentially 1 is bad enough with a 14 man roster, but when 2 of the remaining players are Layman and JMAC, we are paper thin.

2. The draft pick is going to be essential for bringing in new affordable talent next season. We already need to pay JO, Nowell, Reid, and probably Beverly (I think we want to keep him if we can.) All of this while trying to stay under the tax.

3. Turner might not stay. The last thing we need is to give away another young up and comer in MCD only to rent a talented player who turns around and leaves. Or in the alternative demands too much money and we are forced to either pay him (which could put us in a bad spot,) or let him walk while we lost 2 of our best contracts.

shangrila · Post #516 » by **shangrila** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:29 pm

I doubt we care about resigning Okogie. And Nowell is probably 50-50 at best.

GopherIt! · Post #517 » by **GopherIt!** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:51 pm

I typically hate trading 1sts but Myles Turner playing alongside KAT would be deadly. same age (25) too. a protected first, Beas + another asset (Naz?) seems conceivable. They could afford to pay him w DLo off his max.

Turner/KAT
KAT/Turner/Vandy
JMcD/Leo
Ant/Nowell
DLol/Bev

winforlose · Post #518 » by **winforlose** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:06 pm

GopherIt! wrote:I typically hate trading 1sts but Myles Turner playing alongside KAT would be deadly. same age (25) too. a protected first, Beas + another asset (Naz?) seems conceivable. They could afford to re-up him w DLo off his max. Ant/Karl/Turner would be an outstanding big three.

Turner/KAT
KAT/Turner/Vandy
JMcD/Leo
Ant/Nowell
DLol/Bev

We are paper thin at Center and if you trade Naz then you make it hard to play KAT with Turner. V8 and Towns both have foul issues and MCD is not an ideal backup. Prince, Beasley, and a protected first is the most value I would give (2 for 1 instead of 3 for 1 suggested above,) and even then I worry we cannot afford Turner long term. The first should be top 20 then 16, then top 10 protected ending with 2 seconds.

GopherIt! · Post #519 » by **GopherIt!** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:20 pm

turner & Kat would eat up the lionshare of C minutes. i put a “?” next to Naz, meaning u can offer something else.

winforlose · Post #520 » by **winforlose** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:28 pm

GopherIt! wrote:turner & Kat would eat up the lionshare of C minutes. i put a “?” next to Naz, meaning u can offer something else.

I think that is actually the problem. KAT is playing too many minutes and we need depth at the PF/C in case things happen to KAT or V8, MCD, ect… I think Prince is expendable because he is least valuable of the small bigs we are currently running. Naz would thrive more at the PF then C and if you want to run a 9 man rotation with V8 and MCD at SF we could certainly talk about it. The question is would the Pacers trade Turner for Beasley and Prince with a protected first which is likely going to be 20-30 if we have Turner. I am not sure they would.