PG: The Post-Moo Era Begins. Bulls are Better

[DaGawd]

No offensive system will make up for RJ not being able to convert wide open layups and layups in traffic other good nba players make in their sleep.. dude is just buns right now

[Gravy]

The reason we lost:



A year later and we are still trying to find Randle some help, just like Melo, just like Ewing

[louisorr]

Sad as it may be, Randle is the best initiator on the team. He can get into the paint and force the D to double /rotate, opening up open looks. Problem is his decisions aren't great. there are too many times where he already makes his mind up to pass after he's gotten decent position in the paint.
He's gotta take those 12 ft bunnies more often. and the philosophy has to be to send some offensive rebounding help in those situations. Thibs has this team backpedaling on D way too early...if the other team knows you're gang crashing the glass they will be less likely to leak out.

Fournier is useless on this team, he's RJ redux / would ATL give us Gallo for him? we could use some size.

kemba is still able to beat his defender and get to the rim, also he's one of our best shooters. don't understand the hate.

last night was a perfect example of the fact that Rose is a part timer at this point.

And we all know there is no place in Thibs world where Obi and Randle exist together on the floor getting enough minutes.
Bye Obi, it was fun while it lasted.

[thebuzzardman]

Tough to win with Maplefrid Payton as one of your starting wings

[Spree2Houston]

Unpopular opinion but I would blow this entire team up in the offseason. I would only keep Quickley, Mitch, Obi, Grimes and Deuce. Trade everybody else for assets. Re-start the tank for 2023 draft, which is considered stronger than the 2021 draft.

[Jalen Bluntson]

RJ seriously cannot jump more than 5 inches it seems. He's out there playing like a 45 year old with two blown knees. His shot being off is one thing but he's whiffing wide open layups too. We can talk about the offensive system, Randle, and such but we can't make excuses for the way he's playing now. It's not a confidence thing as much as he just isn't athletic at all for a 21 year old top 3 pick. He should be yamming it down on fools but he just doesn't have the ability unless he gets a full steam ahead. If you're not concerned about him then you're in denial.

Rose also hasn't been playing too well lately. Hope it's not an injury thing because he's been our best player since he got here. If he goes down this team is complete toast lol.

Randle played better last night though. Trade him while we can .

So Rose possibly being injured is a valid excuse for his poor play. Fair enough. Let's apply that logic to RJ then because...this board had him on an all star trajectory early this season when he was playing well. Suddenly he fell off the cliff. If not an injury...did he just forget how to play? Now the board is calling for his head.

This is a .500 team. This is what it looks like. It's the direction the FO is taking. Build a mediocre team and get out of the funk of losing for decades and MAYBE they can attract a FA or disgruntled player asks for a trade here. Until either happens...this team will be riding the treadmill. Not a plan I would go with but...it is what it is. This is a boring team with no future until moves are made. We can only hope the right moves are made.

On to the next one.

[TrueWarrior]

RJ seriously cannot jump more than 5 inches it seems. He's out there playing like a 45 year old with two blown knees. His shot being off is one thing but he's whiffing wide open layups too. We can talk about the offensive system, Randle, and such but we can't make excuses for the way he's playing now. It's not a confidence thing as much as he just isn't athletic at all for a 21 year old top 3 pick. He should be yamming it down on fools but he just doesn't have the ability unless he gets a full steam ahead. If you're not concerned about him then you're in denial.

Rose also hasn't been playing too well lately. Hope it's not an injury thing because he's been our best player since he got here. If he goes down this team is complete toast lol.

Randle played better last night though. Trade him while we can .

So Rose possibly being injured is a valid excuse for his poor play. Fair enough. Let's apply that logic to RJ then because...this board had him on an all star trajectory early this season when he was playing well. Suddenly he fell off the cliff. If not an injury...did he just forget how to play? Now the board is calling for his head.

This is a .500 team. This is what it looks like. It's the direction the FO is taking. Build a mediocre team and get out of the funk of losing for decades and MAYBE they can attract a FA or disgruntled player asks for a trade here. Until either happens...this team will be riding the treadmill. Not a plan I would go with but...it is what it is. This is a boring team with no future until moves are made. We can only hope the right moves are made.

On to the next one.

Cant compare Rose and RJ man.

Rose is over a decade older and obv has a bad injury history. He did get hurt a few weeks ago so maybe he hasn't fully recovered from that. Was playing great before. While RJ has always been unathletic and an iffy finisher. Rose is way more athletic than RJ right now and that's sad as hell. I wasn't fooled by RJ's couple good games this year. All the numbers and eye test tell me he's not going to be anything great, maybe not even anything good. Hope he proves us wrong for real but I'm not going to ignore what I'm seeing. Meanwhile guys like Obi and IQ, who have shown real flashes of stardom, are buried on the bench.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The reason we lost:



A year later and we are still trying to find Randle some help, just like Melo, just like Ewing

This is really confusing to me how you guys just can't put two and two together, you cannot run an entire offense through 1 guy while everyone stands around and watches him. They brought in two guys who we know can score, yet now they can't score while playing in our offensive "system". Why doesn't it ever register that maybe Randle getting his numbers comes at the expense of the team having a coherent offense. Last night he scored, but we ran 76 possession through him, 15 of them were posts ups in which he averaged .73ppp, as a team we made only 249 passes in the game, and we had a 108.8 offensive rating which is almost exactly what Randle's individual career rating is. This is about as stagnant as an offense can get.


Last night, 20% of all of our shots came with 4-0 seconds left on the shot clock, that is horrible. The worst team in the league averages 12% of their shots coming that late in the clock. If you can't see what's happening, this is what the numbers are saying, we are running late clock posts up, making very little passes, and then when the clock is winding down it's 1 pass and shoot with no ball movement. Outside of signing all the best 3 & D shooters in the league there's no way to have a functioning offense like this. But, Randle got his.

[Jalen Bluntson]

RJ seriously cannot jump more than 5 inches it seems. He's out there playing like a 45 year old with two blown knees. His shot being off is one thing but he's whiffing wide open layups too. We can talk about the offensive system, Randle, and such but we can't make excuses for the way he's playing now. It's not a confidence thing as much as he just isn't athletic at all for a 21 year old top 3 pick. He should be yamming it down on fools but he just doesn't have the ability unless he gets a full steam ahead. If you're not concerned about him then you're in denial.

Rose also hasn't been playing too well lately. Hope it's not an injury thing because he's been our best player since he got here. If he goes down this team is complete toast lol.

Randle played better last night though. Trade him while we can .

So Rose possibly being injured is a valid excuse for his poor play. Fair enough. Let's apply that logic to RJ then because...this board had him on an all star trajectory early this season when he was playing well. Suddenly he fell off the cliff. If not an injury...did he just forget how to play? Now the board is calling for his head.

This is a .500 team. This is what it looks like. It's the direction the FO is taking. Build a mediocre team and get out of the funk of losing for decades and MAYBE they can attract a FA or disgruntled player asks for a trade here. Until either happens...this team will be riding the treadmill. Not a plan I would go with but...it is what it is. This is a boring team with no future until moves are made. We can only hope the right moves are made.

On to the next one.

Cant compare Rose and RJ man.

Rose is over a decade older and obv has a bad injury history. He did get hurt a few weeks ago so maybe he hasn't fully recovered from that. Was playing great before. While RJ has always been unathletic and an iffy finisher. Rose is way more athletic than RJ right now and that's sad as hell. I wasn't fooled by RJ's couple good games this year. All the numbers and eye test tell me he's not going to be anything great, maybe not even anything good. Hope he proves us wrong for real but I'm not going to ignore what I'm seeing. Meanwhile guys like Obi and IQ, who have shown real flashes of stardom, are buried on the bench.

Acting like RJ has only had a couple of good games this year is a ridiculous take. He was playing well last year too. I'm not saying he will be the second coming of Jordan but...the kid has improved every season on some things and is younger than many players drafted in his third year. This board was all about RJ a couple of weeks ago...now they are all against him. Typical fashion around here. Game to game reactions and "analysis". It's a joke.

Obi plays 10-15 mpg. IQ has been inconsistent since day one and isn't getting a ton of minutes either. Neither have shown any more flashes of stardom than RJ has. That's ridiculous to say.

Play them both 30-35 mpg and see what happens.

[nedleeds]

The reason we lost:



A year later and we are still trying to find Randle some help, just like Melo, just like Ewing

This is really confusing to me how you guys just can't put two and two together, you cannot run an entire offense through 1 guy while everyone stands around and watches him. They brought in two guys who we know can score, yet now they can't score while playing in our offensive "system". Why doesn't it ever register that maybe Randle getting his numbers comes at the expense of the team having a coherent offense. Last night he scored, but we ran 76 possession through him, 15 of them were posts ups in which he averaged .73ppp, as a team we made only 249 passes in the game, and we had a 108.8 offensive rating which is almost exactly what Randle's individual career rating is. This is about as stagnant as an offense can get.


Last night, 20% of all of our shots came with 4-0 seconds left on the shot clock, that is horrible. The worst team in the league averages 12% of their shots coming that late in the clock. If you can't see what's happening, this is what the numbers are saying, we are running late clock posts up, making very little passes, and then when the clock is winding down it's 1 pass and shoot with no ball movement. Outside of signing all the best 3 & D shooters in the league there's no way to have a functioning offense like this. But, Randle got his.

I'm eating. Can somebody get Ewing and Melo's shooting efficiency vs. league average. Or wake me up when Randle is league average.

[JXL]

The reason we lost:



A year later and we are still trying to find Randle some help, just like Melo, just like Ewing

-RJ clearly is in his own head again regarding his shot. Said himself he's a slow starter, but a later finisher. Needs to find that comfort zone again to be effective.
-Fournier goes back to being tentative with the ball in his heads playing with Randle. He needs to be the sniper he was signed to be.
-Walker lost his bounce. I saw 4 instances where he got to the paint and he stopped and pass it back out. He's not getting lift when he attacks, and it's a concern.
-Noel to the starting lineup. Mitch to the 2nd unit. Fixed the defensive issues right there.
-Rose had an off night. It happens. He's a pro's pro and will get back to being a demon on the 2nd unit again.
-WHY ISN'T OBI GETTING MORE MINUTES WHEN HE'S GOT IT GOING?! DOES THIBS NOT LIKE HIS HUSTLE?!

[TrueWarrior]

So Rose possibly being injured is a valid excuse for his poor play. Fair enough. Let's apply that logic to RJ then because...this board had him on an all star trajectory early this season when he was playing well. Suddenly he fell off the cliff. If not an injury...did he just forget how to play? Now the board is calling for his head.

This is a .500 team. This is what it looks like. It's the direction the FO is taking. Build a mediocre team and get out of the funk of losing for decades and MAYBE they can attract a FA or disgruntled player asks for a trade here. Until either happens...this team will be riding the treadmill. Not a plan I would go with but...it is what it is. This is a boring team with no future until moves are made. We can only hope the right moves are made.

On to the next one.

Cant compare Rose and RJ man.

Rose is over a decade older and obv has a bad injury history. He did get hurt a few weeks ago so maybe he hasn't fully recovered from that. Was playing great before. While RJ has always been unathletic and an iffy finisher. Rose is way more athletic than RJ right now and that's sad as hell. I wasn't fooled by RJ's couple good games this year. All the numbers and eye test tell me he's not going to be anything great, maybe not even anything good. Hope he proves us wrong for real but I'm not going to ignore what I'm seeing. Meanwhile guys like Obi and IQ, who have shown real flashes of stardom, are buried on the bench.

Acting like RJ has only had a couple of good games this year is a ridiculous take. He was playing well last year too. I'm not saying he will be the second coming of Jordan but...the kid has improved every season on some things and is younger than many players drafted in his third year. This board was all about RJ a couple of weeks ago...now they are all against him. Typical fashion around here. Game to game reactions and "analysis". It's a joke.

Obi plays 10-15 mpg. IQ has been inconsistent since day one and isn't getting a ton of minutes either. Neither have shown any more flashes of stardom than RJ has. That's ridiculous to say.

Play them both 30-35 mpg and see what happens.

Ok well don't lump be in with the rest of the board then. I only started posting here again a week ago after not posting for years lol.

Obi is an elite athlete and finisher, who is showing crazy improvement. Literally leads our team in PER. He obviously should be playing more and everyone knows it. Now he's starting to hit his threes again, and he's blocking shots almost as good as Meech this year. The potential is clear with him.

IQ can break his man down and shoot. He's very quick (pun intended). His defense and passing are improving. He def has starting guard upside.

RJ has nothing standing out about him like they do. He's strong but doesn't seem to use that in the paint because he has no lift. If he's not shooting as well as last year then he's a straight liability out there because his defense isn't all that either. He has regressed in everything this year. Kid needs a lot of work. I sincerely hope he turns it around though so don't think Im rooting against him.

[robillionaire]

RJ had 1 good game against Pelicans G-Leaguers and everyone said it's RJ's team now, trade Randle. You all deserve this. I understand why Sham is the way he is.

[whocares1]

Hate to say it, but you got to blame Thibs at this point.

When one player is bad for a stretch, you can blame that player. But when the whole starters are consistently playing terrible that’s on coaching.

You can tell Fournier has no idea when his shots are coming and that’s why he isn’t ready to shoot. Thibs don’t have these guys prepared at all.

I mean Randle and Fournier play a lot of two man game. Fournier is just missing shots that he should be making. Fournier may not like his role tho on offense which is why I thought he was a bad signing as well. He’s not a spot shooter he’s a guy that needs some freedom with the ball in his hands and he’s constantly worried about funneling the offense through Randle.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The reason we lost:



A year later and we are still trying to find Randle some help, just like Melo, just like Ewing

This is really confusing to me how you guys just can't put two and two together, you cannot run an entire offense through 1 guy while everyone stands around and watches him. They brought in two guys who we know can score, yet now they can't score while playing in our offensive "system". Why doesn't it ever register that maybe Randle getting his numbers comes at the expense of the team having a coherent offense. Last night he scored, but we ran 76 possession through him, 15 of them were posts ups in which he averaged .73ppp, as a team we made only 249 passes in the game, and we had a 108.8 offensive rating which is almost exactly what Randle's individual career rating is. This is about as stagnant as an offense can get.


Last night, 20% of all of our shots came with 4-0 seconds left on the shot clock, that is horrible. The worst team in the league averages 12% of their shots coming that late in the clock. If you can't see what's happening, this is what the numbers are saying, we are running late clock posts up, making very little passes, and then when the clock is winding down it's 1 pass and shoot with no ball movement. Outside of signing all the best 3 & D shooters in the league there's no way to have a functioning offense like this. But, Randle got his.

I'm eating. Can somebody get Ewing and Melo's shooting efficiency vs. league average. Or wake me up when Randle is league average.

We have the ultimate hot potato offense, last night 50% of RJ's and 45% of IQ's shots were very late to late in the shot clock.

Very late in the shot clock (4-0 seconds)




This board has the most basic way of looking at our team.

[god shammgod]

did we ever find moo ?

[nedleeds]

The reason we lost:



A year later and we are still trying to find Randle some help, just like Melo, just like Ewing

This is really confusing to me how you guys just can't put two and two together, you cannot run an entire offense through 1 guy while everyone stands around and watches him. They brought in two guys who we know can score, yet now they can't score while playing in our offensive "system". Why doesn't it ever register that maybe Randle getting his numbers comes at the expense of the team having a coherent offense. Last night he scored, but we ran 76 possession through him, 15 of them were posts ups in which he averaged .73ppp, as a team we made only 249 passes in the game, and we had a 108.8 offensive rating which is almost exactly what Randle's individual career rating is. This is about as stagnant as an offense can get.


Last night, 20% of all of our shots came with 4-0 seconds left on the shot clock, that is horrible. The worst team in the league averages 12% of their shots coming that late in the clock. If you can't see what's happening, this is what the numbers are saying, we are running late clock posts up, making very little passes, and then when the clock is winding down it's 1 pass and shoot with no ball movement. Outside of signing all the best 3 & D shooters in the league there's no way to have a functioning offense like this. But, Randle got his.

I'm eating. Can somebody get Ewing and Melo's shooting efficiency vs. league average. Or wake me up when Randle is league average.

Lol it's even more laughable than I thought. Ewing was a god damn force.



Randle



Melo was also a **** chucker but not as bad as Randle

[snadler]

RJ has been awful and he’d be the first to tell you that, and Randle hasn’t played nearly as well as he did last season, and he’d be the first to tell you that, but with that said, those two players probably more so then anyone else in the league have been effected by the new officiating. If you noticed in the second half the refs seemed to start calling it more like last year and Randle had one of his best games. I definitely think that has had a major impact on both.

[whocares1]

So Rose possibly being injured is a valid excuse for his poor play. Fair enough. Let's apply that logic to RJ then because...this board had him on an all star trajectory early this season when he was playing well. Suddenly he fell off the cliff. If not an injury...did he just forget how to play? Now the board is calling for his head.

This is a .500 team. This is what it looks like. It's the direction the FO is taking. Build a mediocre team and get out of the funk of losing for decades and MAYBE they can attract a FA or disgruntled player asks for a trade here. Until either happens...this team will be riding the treadmill. Not a plan I would go with but...it is what it is. This is a boring team with no future until moves are made. We can only hope the right moves are made.

On to the next one.

Cant compare Rose and RJ man.

Rose is over a decade older and obv has a bad injury history. He did get hurt a few weeks ago so maybe he hasn't fully recovered from that. Was playing great before. While RJ has always been unathletic and an iffy finisher. Rose is way more athletic than RJ right now and that's sad as hell. I wasn't fooled by RJ's couple good games this year. All the numbers and eye test tell me he's not going to be anything great, maybe not even anything good. Hope he proves us wrong for real but I'm not going to ignore what I'm seeing. Meanwhile guys like Obi and IQ, who have shown real flashes of stardom, are buried on the bench.

Acting like RJ has only had a couple of good games this year is a ridiculous take. He was playing well last year too. I'm not saying he will be the second coming of Jordan but...the kid has improved every season on some things and is younger than many players drafted in his third year. This board was all about RJ a couple of weeks ago...now they are all against him. Typical fashion around here. Game to game reactions and "analysis". It's a joke.

Obi plays 10-15 mpg. IQ has been inconsistent since day one and isn't getting a ton of minutes either. Neither have shown any more flashes of stardom than RJ has. That's ridiculous to say.

Play them both 30-35 mpg and see what happens.

I don’t get the concept of being blindly loyal to a player that plays on our team especially when they are no longer playing well. Saying things like “a couple weeks ago everyone was all for RJ” I can assure you that every Knicks fans wants RJ to succeed bc it benefits all of us but how are we supposed to keep optimism for a player playing as badly as he has for as long as a stretch he has? I would say the RJ stuff has gone mostly under the radar especially outside of Realgm and the focus has been on Randle.

But RJ has been terrible on both ends. He is missing wide open layups and causing fast breaks on the other end. He doesn’t deserve the blind homerism.

[Jalen Bluntson]

The reason we lost:



A year later and we are still trying to find Randle some help, just like Melo, just like Ewing

This is really confusing to me how you guys just can't put two and two together, you cannot run an entire offense through 1 guy while everyone stands around and watches him. They brought in two guys who we know can score, yet now they can't score while playing in our offensive "system". Why doesn't it ever register that maybe Randle getting his numbers comes at the expense of the team having a coherent offense. Last night he scored, but we ran 76 possession through him, 15 of them were posts ups in which he averaged .73ppp, as a team we made only 249 passes in the game, and we had a 108.8 offensive rating which is almost exactly what Randle's individual career rating is. This is about as stagnant as an offense can get.


Last night, 20% of all of our shots came with 4-0 seconds left on the shot clock, that is horrible. The worst team in the league averages 12% of their shots coming that late in the clock. If you can't see what's happening, this is what the numbers are saying, we are running late clock posts up, making very little passes, and then when the clock is winding down it's 1 pass and shoot with no ball movement. Outside of signing all the best 3 & D shooters in the league there's no way to have a functioning offense like this. But, Randle got his.

Randle is fools gold. Decent player but ..not someone you build around. Too notch 6th man is his ceiling. Small ball 5. Not a player you run your offense through. He should be playing Center but... whatever.