PG System and Usage Angst again

[Mikistan]

Simple solution is to start Birch with 4 of those, and also have Precious oncourt when Birch isn't. Simple, but with the tough decision of who to move out of the starting 5, either Gary or Scottie.

I think Gary made the decision easier with last night's non-performance. Nurse has already been adjusting the rotation to play him with the bench. That's probably a sign that he wants Gary to get used to playing with them. Having Yuta back should make that a strong two-way unit.

Raps also probably want Scottie to get the catch and shoot opportunities that Fred and Pascal can set up for him, and not have Gary hog them all.

Agreed. And I also want to see Scottie create catch and shoot opportunities for Fred and Pascal. because he is the best passer we have.

The key to all of this, is for both siakam and scottie to receive the ball on the run/in motion - we cant be having everyone get a pass standing still then sizing up

[Chandan]

Some fans are constantly running to the General Board and talking about how we are the best development team in the league, but yet they say we are ruining Scottie's development. It's like they don't believe what they are saying, but they choose to complain.

Ive seen the raptors develope really rough projects into near all star level players. I have yet to see them polish a top shelve talent into a super star in this era.

Besides didnt our lead development coach just left to join the GSW?

[terryjackson]

FVV needs to be put off-ball and Scottie needs to start at PG. It'll be ugly for a couple of games but eventually it'll come together, the bad offense is partially on Fred.

He doesn't use the roller on his picks at all and he can't get into the lane. I'd like to see a Barnes and Siakam or Boucher pick and roll a few times each game. Trent and FVV could clear space for those two and if the opposing team sags off Boucher we could hope his shot returns.

There may be a game where Nurse should send a message and bench Fred for Boucher and put Barnes fully at the PG spot. FVV is best off being an off-ball player and defending the opposing guard.

If that line up showed any semblance of what I think it would, good pick and roll offense, with room for OG, Siakam, and Barnes in the mid post. I am immediately shipping Fred for a stretch C on d acottie. the market. I would hope the Raptors
consider KAT for Fred and the 2022 pick regardless of the supposed leadership he brings.

Talent is a huge need on this current squad, continuity is great but it can only do so much. Ying slowed down.LSO playing slowThe ceiling of the current roster doesn't look any higher than the Lowry-DeRozan Raptors.

Do not agree with Scottie at the point. Banton is better at the point than Scottie and Fred is too. Scottie is a small forward and shooting guard who is getting wasted as facilitator. He is also playing the game slowed down.

Scottie has room to grow and he needs opportunity. Fred isn't getting any better as a finisher at the rim. Comparing his stats this season to last they are the same.

At the rim he isn't finishing any better. His percentages are slightly higher but still low and that's because he reduced how much he shoots at the rim. This is going to be scouted and exposed in the playoffs. We know Fred is a good off-ball player but we also have a younger Trent that fills that similar role.

Banton has been making strides and I see a future for him but he needs to shoot more threes and get in volume. It would be better offense to have Banton and Barnes chucking threes than Fred drive to the rim. I want them to especially take advantage of the corner three, they both seem to be capable mid range shooters so that would be the easier shot for them.

[WaltFrazier]

I think Gary made the decision easier with last night's non-performance. Nurse has already been adjusting the rotation to play him with the bench. That's probably a sign that he wants Gary to get used to playing with them. Having Yuta back should make that a strong two-way unit.

Raps also probably want Scottie to get the catch and shoot opportunities that Fred and Pascal can set up for him, and not have Gary hog them all.

Agreed. And I also want to see Scottie create catch and shoot opportunities for Fred and Pascal. because he is the best passer we have.

The key to all of this, is for both siakam and scottie to receive the ball on the run/in motion - we cant be having everyone get a pass standing still then sizing up

That's a great concise recap of what's wrong with our offense. And so glaring when compared to GSW offense in the same game.

[Jerry Lucas]

Some fans are constantly running to the General Board and talking about how we are the best development team in the league, but yet they say we are ruining Scottie's development. It's like they don't believe what they are saying, but they choose to complain.

I chalk that up to just being emotional and there is nothing rational about it at all.

Siakam and Fred have actually played well, but expecting them to carry this young team to wins against really good teams is not having realistic expectations.

Its funny cause I don't see Pascal, Fred or OG as finished products. They're still developing as well and need game time reps to take their games to the next level. Scottie and Delano will get theirs eventually. Outside of Dragic and maybe Khem, I don't see anyone on the team as a finished product.

Absolutely. The kyle and demar era didn't start off swimmingly as well and it got better once they traded Rudy Gay to get more vet depth.
this is a learning curve for Fred and Pascal, but expecting them to beat 2 of the best teams in the league on the road is just being delusional.

Not sure if Kyle/DeMar vs. FVV/Pascal with the context of Rudy Gay being an obstacle to them flourishing is the best comparison to make here. If anything, FVV/Pascal might be the "Rudy Gay" in the way of a team built around OG/Scottie flourishing to their full potential.

[Los_29]

Its funny cause I don't see Pascal, Fred or OG as finished products. They're still developing as well and need game time reps to take their games to the next level. Scottie and Delano will get theirs eventually. Outside of Dragic and maybe Khem, I don't see anyone on the team as a finished product.

Absolutely. The kyle and demar era didn't start off swimmingly as well and it got better once they traded Rudy Gay to get more vet depth.
this is a learning curve for Fred and Pascal, but expecting them to beat 2 of the best teams in the league on the road is just being delusional.

Not sure if Kyle/DeMar vs. FVV/Pascal with the context of Rudy Gay being an obstacle to them flourishing is the best comparison to make here. If anything, FVV/Pascal might be the "Rudy Gay" in the way of OG/Scottie flourishing to their full potential.

That doesn't make any sense considering FVV and Pascal were key contributors to a championship team. lol.

[Jerry Lucas]

Absolutely. The kyle and demar era didn't start off swimmingly as well and it got better once they traded Rudy Gay to get more vet depth.
this is a learning curve for Fred and Pascal, but expecting them to beat 2 of the best teams in the league on the road is just being delusional.

Not sure if Kyle/DeMar vs. FVV/Pascal with the context of Rudy Gay being an obstacle to them flourishing is the best comparison to make here. If anything, FVV/Pascal might be the "Rudy Gay" in the way of a team built around OG/Scottie flourishing to their full potential.

That doesn't make any sense considering FVV and Pascal were key contributors to a championship team. lol.

Absolutely, but they fell behind Kawhi/Kyle and knew their roles. Not sure if we can expect them to fall in line this time around.

[Los_29]

Not sure if Kyle/DeMar vs. FVV/Pascal with the context of Rudy Gay being an obstacle to them flourishing is the best comparison to make here. If anything, FVV/Pascal might be the "Rudy Gay" in the way of a team built around OG/Scottie flourishing to their full potential.

That doesn't make any sense considering FVV and Pascal were key contributors to a championship team. lol.

Absolutely, but they fell behind Kawhi/Kyle and knew their roles. Not sure if we can expect them to fall in line this time around.

What makes you think that considering they've already experienced winning a championship before. They are being asked to take on a larger role because we have no other options. I'm sure they would be more than happy to take a step back if and when we find that true #1.

You can't compare a guy like Rudy Gay to Pascal or FVV. And Pascal and FVV are players you'd much rather have in the playoffs than Demar Derozan who isn't even an effective scorer in the playoffs and if Demar can't score than he's basically useless out there which is why he was benched in the 4th quarter of an elimination game. With FVV and Pascal at least we know if their shot isn't falling they can defend at a high level.