2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[billy_hoyle]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/11/22/22796148/luke-walton-sacramento-kings-deaaron-fox

Siakam for Fox

Kings drafted two PGs in back to back drafts. Siakam would help their defense. They are desperate to make the playoffs even just a play in game. Raptors get a 23 year old that averaged 25 points last season. Fits the timeline with OG ands Scottie

Hali-Hield-Barnes-Siakam-Holmes

FVV-Fox-OG-Scottie-Birch
GTJ helps the bench out which is last in the league in scoring

Siakam for Fox
FVV and Boucher for Myles Turner

Fox (23) - Flynn (23) D Johnson (20)
GTJ (22) - Banton (22)
OG (24) - Svi (24) - Champagnie (20)
Barnes (20) - Bonga (22)
Turner (25) - Precious (22)

Rebuild complete...just need a star with our draft picks

[MessiahUjiri]

Background: The Bulls are flirting with being a championship contender, although their front court has obvious holes. The Raptors have some good athletic PF/C guys, but they’re realistically not going anywhere this season.

The Deal:

Precious Achiuwa, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn
for
Coby White, Marko Simonovic, Portland ‘22 1st - lotto protected. (+ Troy Brown as expiring salary match)



New look Bulls:
Lonzo / Lavine / DeMar / Achiuwa / Vucevic
Flynn / Caruso / D Jones / Boucher / Bradley
Ayo Dosunmo / Javonte Green


New look Raptors:
Fred VV / Trent / OG / Siakam / Birch
Banton / White / Barnes / Watanabe / Simonovic


The Bulls round out their core 4 of Demar / Lavine / Lonzo / Vuc, in preparation for a post season run. Achiuwa and Flynn are both 1st rounders on their rookie contracts. Boucher can be a 3+D big either next to Vuc, or as the first bench big.

The Raptors cash in on their front court with a great prospect in White, who has shades of Jordan Clarkson. The Portland 1st will likely be a 16-20 pick, which allows Masai and Bobby to work their magic.


These 2 front offices share deep bonds - Bulls GM Marc Eversley is a Raptor FO alumni, and these teams are in 2 different states of rebuilding and contention, which always makes trust easier.

[Morris_Shatford]

I wonder if Jokic will ever become available.

Porter injured for the year, bad back is a big problem. Just signed the max. Jamal is injured still, locked in for years and years. They may be stuck

I think being stuck is likely the reason the hold on as long as they can with this current team.

Inside a vacuum if Murray and MPJ return to their pre-injury levels along with Jokic they are a solid team, the issue is if they don't then you have a 157m committed next season in the final year of Jokic's deal with a limited path forward to build around your MVP with 107 and 100m respectively committed to non-Jokic talent from 2023 thru 2025 seasons.

Denver really needs to just hold the line with their roster and see what they have before I think any major decisions on movement get made.

[Lord_Zedd]

Background: The Bulls are flirting with being a championship contender, although their front court has obvious holes. The Raptors have some good athletic PF/C guys, but they’re realistically not going anywhere this season.

The Deal:

Precious Achiuwa, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn
for
Coby White, Marko Simonovic, Portland ‘22 1st - lotto protected. (+ Troy Brown as expiring salary match)



New look Bulls:
Lonzo / Lavine / DeMar / Achiuwa / Vucevic
Flynn / Caruso / D Jones / Boucher / Bradley
Ayo Dosunmo / Javonte Green


New look Raptors:
Fred VV / Trent / OG / Siakam / Birch
Banton / White / Barnes / Watanabe / Simonovic


The Bulls round out their core 4 of Demar / Lavine / Lonzo / Vuc, in preparation for a post season run. Achiuwa and Flynn are both 1st rounders on their rookie contracts. Boucher can be a 3+D big either next to Vuc, or as the first bench big.

The Raptors cash in on their front court with a great prospect in White, who has shades of Jordan Clarkson. The Portland 1st will likely be a 16-20 pick, which allows Masai and Bobby to work their magic.


These 2 front offices share deep bonds - Bulls GM Marc Eversley is a Raptor FO alumni, and these teams are in 2 different states of rebuilding and contention, which always makes trust easier.

Maybe its me seeing Achiuwa higher than others. Even with his offensive woes I don't think I'd do this. The Portland pick is essentially a chance to be Achiuwa or better..... I'd rather gamble on seeing Achiuwa growing to be a better player.

if Chicago wants to do a trade with Coby for Boucher/Flynn, I'm all ears.

[NotMyKawhi]

I wonder if Jokic will ever become available.

Porter injured for the year, bad back is a big problem. Just signed the max. Jamal is injured still, locked in for years and years. They may be stuck

I think being stuck is likely the reason the hold on as long as they can with this current team.

Inside a vacuum if Murray and MPJ return to their pre-injury levels along with Jokic they are a solid team, the issue is if they don't then you have a 157m committed next season in the final year of Jokic's deal with a limited path forward to build around your MVP with 107 and 100m respectively committed to non-Jokic talent from 2023 thru 2025 seasons.

Denver really needs to just hold the line with their roster and see what they have before I think any major decisions on movement get made.

They also have to consider Jokic leaving. He's a free agent in a couple years so say they miss the playoffs this year and he has one year left, Porter never played, Jamal never played, If he doesn't sign that max in the off-season, you gotta trade him or you'll have no cap space and two injury prone guys locked in for years.

[MessiahUjiri]

Background: The Bulls are flirting with being a championship contender, although their front court has obvious holes. The Raptors have some good athletic PF/C guys, but they’re realistically not going anywhere this season.

The Deal:

Precious Achiuwa, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn
for
Coby White, Marko Simonovic, Portland ‘22 1st - lotto protected. (+ Troy Brown as expiring salary match)



New look Bulls:
Lonzo / Lavine / DeMar / Achiuwa / Vucevic
Flynn / Caruso / D Jones / Boucher / Bradley
Ayo Dosunmo / Javonte Green


New look Raptors:
Fred VV / Trent / OG / Siakam / Birch
Banton / White / Barnes / Watanabe / Simonovic


The Bulls round out their core 4 of Demar / Lavine / Lonzo / Vuc, in preparation for a post season run. Achiuwa and Flynn are both 1st rounders on their rookie contracts. Boucher can be a 3+D big either next to Vuc, or as the first bench big.

The Raptors cash in on their front court with a great prospect in White, who has shades of Jordan Clarkson. The Portland 1st will likely be a 16-20 pick, which allows Masai and Bobby to work their magic.


These 2 front offices share deep bonds - Bulls GM Marc Eversley is a Raptor FO alumni, and these teams are in 2 different states of rebuilding and contention, which always makes trust easier.

Maybe its me seeing Achiuwa higher than others. Even with his offensive woes I don't think I'd do this. The Portland pick is essentially a chance to be Achiuwa or better..... I'd rather gamble on seeing Achiuwa growing to be a better player.

if Chicago wants to do a trade with Coby for Boucher/Flynn, I'm all ears.

I thought about it some more, and Masai probably asks for Ayo Dosunmo in the deal. He’s a Delon Wright / Delano Banton type player who was Wooden College Player of the year. We can probably send back Svi, who is much older and fits the Bulls timeline.


Precious Achiuwa, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn, Svi Mikhailuk
for
Coby White, Ayo Dosunmo, Marko Simonovic, Portland ‘22 1st - lotto protected. (+ Troy Brown as expiring salary match)

[HomieOmey]

Said it before and I'll say it again - If Haliburton is not coming to Toronto, Siakam is not going to the Kings.

We're trading an all-star two way PF. This return isn't good enough.

That was my stance this off-season too, but I admitedlly haven't watched any of the Kings this year. I never hear about Haliburton anymore, is he still showing promise and continuing to improve? Their rookie feels more like the flavour of the month because of his defense, but I need more than that since we already have Barnes and OG.

As much as I don't really want any deal with the Kings, I'd like to think they would overpay for Siakam more than anyone else. If this team decides it's stuck (still feels too early to do that for me) and don't think OG, Barnes, and Siakam can co-exist, I coud probably live with whatever PG Ujiri approves of. Haliburton's still likely the only one that would excite me.

[HomieOmey]

I thought about it some more, and Masai probably asks for Ayo Dosunmo in the deal. He’s a Delon Wright / Delano Banton type player who was Wooden College Player of the year. We can probably send back Svi, who is much older and fits the Bulls timeline.


Precious Achiuwa, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn, Svi Mikhailuk
for
Coby White, Ayo Dosunmo, Marko Simonovic, Portland ‘22 1st - lotto protected. (+ Troy Brown as expiring salary match)

Feels like you're giving up even more when the talent balance already felt a bit off. I like the idea of White. I like the idea of adding a shooter with some playmaking skills, so I'm open to the idea. Wuld hope for a smaller trade than this.

[HomieOmey]

I wonder if Jokic will ever become available.

Porter injured for the year, bad back is a big problem. Just signed the max. Jamal is injured still, locked in for years and years. They may be stuck

I think being stuck is likely the reason the hold on as long as they can with this current team.

Inside a vacuum if Murray and MPJ return to their pre-injury levels along with Jokic they are a solid team, the issue is if they don't then you have a 157m committed next season in the final year of Jokic's deal with a limited path forward to build around your MVP with 107 and 100m respectively committed to non-Jokic talent from 2023 thru 2025 seasons.

Denver really needs to just hold the line with their roster and see what they have before I think any major decisions on movement get made.

I'm half kidding, but how bad would it look if the Raptors traded Siakam and FVV for MPJ, Morris, and Murray ? Is a trade like that even allowed when the two main guys are injured? The Raptors basically completely give up on this year, but get two guys with special potential. The Nuggets stay competitive this year and improve their team defense.

[NotMyKawhi]

I wonder if Jokic will ever become available.

Porter injured for the year, bad back is a big problem. Just signed the max. Jamal is injured still, locked in for years and years. They may be stuck

I think being stuck is likely the reason the hold on as long as they can with this current team.

Inside a vacuum if Murray and MPJ return to their pre-injury levels along with Jokic they are a solid team, the issue is if they don't then you have a 157m committed next season in the final year of Jokic's deal with a limited path forward to build around your MVP with 107 and 100m respectively committed to non-Jokic talent from 2023 thru 2025 seasons.

Denver really needs to just hold the line with their roster and see what they have before I think any major decisions on movement get made.

I'm half kidding, but how bad would it look if the Raptors traded Siakam and FVV for MPJ, Morris, and Murray ? Is a trade like that even allowed when the two main guys are injured? The Raptors basically completely give up on this year, but get two guys with special potential. The Nuggets stay competitive this year and improve their team defense.

I'd do it w/o MPJ. I think MPJ has back problems all his career. This is the reason he dropped to 14. Some thought he could be #1.

I'd do Pascal for Murray all day, everyday and would prolly throw in some more too. I think Murray has superstar potential, I don't think Pascal will ever be a #1 on a championship team. I do think Murray can be

[canada_dry]

Been a big fan of Ingram from the day he was drafted. But acquiring him only further complicates the depth issue we currently have with OG/Barnes/Siakam.

Looking around the league, there really isn't much available for what we have to offer. No one needs a PG and we have two of them that we should be looking to deal. Swiss army knife forwards will always be easier to shop but then we have to consider what we'd actually get for them. I can only think of two or three potential destinations.

1. Golden State
They have some young guys in Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman. Siakam is an all-star though so you'd really have to believe in at least one of these guys to make it worth it. Plus we'd have to take back Wiggins, which may not be a bad thing. He's improved quite a bit since being over there.

2. Sacramento
The only way I'd send Siakam there is if Haliburton is coming back. But again - he's their only good young piece. You'd really have to believe in him to make him the centerpiece of a deal.

3. Philly/Minny
Philly is shopping Simmons, Minnesota could look to deal KAT. Not sure if that's going to happen of how much we'd have to add to a Siakam deal to outbid other potential buyers.

Big fan of a trade with the Kings if we get back Haliburton + pick(s).

I don’t think we’ll run into the same issues we have with OG/Siakam/Barnes if we trade for Ingram. The reason these guys don’t work is that if we play a big with them then the spacing is terrible and if we add a shooter beside them, we’re forced to go small as our best shooters are FVV & GTJ which hasn’t worked well for us. Siakam/Barnes are too similar offensively, there’s too much overlap.

Ingram is a 6-8 3-level scorer that shoots 40% from 3. We can easily slide a big man beside OG/Barnes/Ingram which gives us size and spacing.

Barnes/GTJ/Ingram/OG/Birch

Using Hayes/Flynn/Achiuwa we can trade for a better starting big.

Yeah but Ingram plays SF for the Pels. So if their moving him, it'll need to make them better, not worse. Since Ingram would be the best player in the deal, the only way to make it worth their while is give 2 of OG/FVV/Barnes/Siakam. Then talent-wise and salary wise, the deal just falls apart.

2 of ? Yea. No. Sorry but Thats not what the market would be. 1 of em + lesser pieces in all likelihood.

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[Rapsfan07]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/11/22/22796148/luke-walton-sacramento-kings-deaaron-fox

Siakam for Fox

Kings drafted two PGs in back to back drafts. Siakam would help their defense. They are desperate to make the playoffs even just a play in game. Raptors get a 23 year old that averaged 25 points last season. Fits the timeline with OG ands Scottie

Hali-Hield-Barnes-Siakam-Holmes

FVV-Fox-OG-Scottie-Birch
GTJ helps the bench out which is last in the league in scoring

There is absolutely no way Masai trades for a guy like Fox. None whatsoever.

Fox put up stats on a bad team. He's fast but he can't shoot from outside. He's flawed on a level of like Sexton. Sexton can score but he's like a 6'1 SG that isn't good on defense. Fox is also making the max. I'd rather trade Pascal for Simmons and I don't want that either.

Yeah I'm going to have to agree. Not sure how anyone could have read that article in its entirety and come out with the idea that we should be trading for Fox.

I've always said thar unless we're going to get an elite playmaker at either of our wing spots, we need to move on from Vanvleet. But this is not the answer. Vanvleet is much more impactful than Fox.

[Rapsfan07]

Big fan of a trade with the Kings if we get back Haliburton + pick(s).

I don’t think we’ll run into the same issues we have with OG/Siakam/Barnes if we trade for Ingram. The reason these guys don’t work is that if we play a big with them then the spacing is terrible and if we add a shooter beside them, we’re forced to go small as our best shooters are FVV & GTJ which hasn’t worked well for us. Siakam/Barnes are too similar offensively, there’s too much overlap.

Ingram is a 6-8 3-level scorer that shoots 40% from 3. We can easily slide a big man beside OG/Barnes/Ingram which gives us size and spacing.

Barnes/GTJ/Ingram/OG/Birch

Using Hayes/Flynn/Achiuwa we can trade for a better starting big.

Yeah but Ingram plays SF for the Pels. So if their moving him, it'll need to make them better, not worse. Since Ingram would be the best player in the deal, the only way to make it worth their while is give 2 of OG/FVV/Barnes/Siakam. Then talent-wise and salary wise, the deal just falls apart.

2 of ? Yea. No. Sorry but Thats not what the market would be. 1 of em + lesser pieces in all likelihood.

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Ingram is an elite wing in this league and would easily be the best player on this team. For salary AND fit reasons alone, you're probably looking at giving up OG+, FVV+ and/or taking back Graham.

If you take back Graham, then matching salaries while still delivering fair value to both sides becomes either difficult or impossible. If you don't take back Graham, you still have to match salaries. I see no way of doing that while making the deal both enticing and fair.

And also let me just say - I wouldn't move OG for him. When you consider and compared his production, contract and defense, OG is by far the better deal.

[Rapsfan07]

I thought about it some more, and Masai probably asks for Ayo Dosunmo in the deal. He’s a Delon Wright / Delano Banton type player who was Wooden College Player of the year. We can probably send back Svi, who is much older and fits the Bulls timeline.


Precious Achiuwa, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn, Svi Mikhailuk
for
Coby White, Ayo Dosunmo, Marko Simonovic, Portland ‘22 1st - lotto protected. (+ Troy Brown as expiring salary match)

Feels like you're giving up even more when the talent balance already felt a bit off. I like the idea of White. I like the idea of adding a shooter with some playmaking skills, so I'm open to the idea. Wuld hope for a smaller trade than this.

Yeah. Why not just a White for Boucher straight up?

[tecumseh18]

Jesus.

Read on Twitter

So ... Shai's value is below THT's? We can give that to OKC.

[Psubs]

Jesus.

Read on Twitter

So ... Shai's value is below THT's? We can give that to OKC.

I wouldn't take THT for Banton.

[wegotthabeet]

I wonder if Jokic will ever become available.

Porter injured for the year, bad back is a big problem. Just signed the max. Jamal is injured still, locked in for years and years. They may be stuck

I think being stuck is likely the reason the hold on as long as they can with this current team.

Inside a vacuum if Murray and MPJ return to their pre-injury levels along with Jokic they are a solid team, the issue is if they don't then you have a 157m committed next season in the final year of Jokic's deal with a limited path forward to build around your MVP with 107 and 100m respectively committed to non-Jokic talent from 2023 thru 2025 seasons.

Denver really needs to just hold the line with their roster and see what they have before I think any major decisions on movement get made.

I'm half kidding, but how bad would it look if the Raptors traded Siakam and FVV for MPJ, Morris, and Murray ? Is a trade like that even allowed when the two main guys are injured? The Raptors basically completely give up on this year, but get two guys with special potential. The Nuggets stay competitive this year and improve their team defense.

I'd only trade Siakam for a younger cheaper replacement. I'd prefer someone like Patrick Williams to MPJ.

Siakam + Flynn for P. Williams, Jones Jr., White, Brown Jr. + POR 2022 FRP.

New Core - Anunoby, Barnes, Williams

See if White can be developed into the 6th man. Two picks in this year's draft. See what FVV & Trent Jr. can get via trade at the deadline or next summer.

[Psubs]

I think being stuck is likely the reason the hold on as long as they can with this current team.

Inside a vacuum if Murray and MPJ return to their pre-injury levels along with Jokic they are a solid team, the issue is if they don't then you have a 157m committed next season in the final year of Jokic's deal with a limited path forward to build around your MVP with 107 and 100m respectively committed to non-Jokic talent from 2023 thru 2025 seasons.

Denver really needs to just hold the line with their roster and see what they have before I think any major decisions on movement get made.

I'm half kidding, but how bad would it look if the Raptors traded Siakam and FVV for MPJ, Morris, and Murray ? Is a trade like that even allowed when the two main guys are injured? The Raptors basically completely give up on this year, but get two guys with special potential. The Nuggets stay competitive this year and improve their team defense.

I'd only trade Siakam for a younger cheaper replacement. I'd prefer someone like Patrick Williams to MPJ.

Siakam + Flynn for P. Williams, Jones Jr., White, Brown Jr. + POR 2022 FRP.

New Core - Anunoby, Barnes, Williams

See if White can be developed into the 6th man. Two picks in this year's draft. See what FVV & Trent Jr. can get via trade at the deadline or next summer.

That's pretty good. Jones and Brown are expiring.

Siakam + Flynn + Champagnie + Cash for P. Williams, Jones Jr., White, Brown Jr. (to be waived) and 2022 1st pick Chicago (or Por which ever is later)

PG FVV - Banton - White
SG Trent - Svi - White
SF OG - Yuta - PWill
PF Barnes - PWill - Jones
C Precious - Birch - Boucher

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I think being stuck is likely the reason the hold on as long as they can with this current team.

Inside a vacuum if Murray and MPJ return to their pre-injury levels along with Jokic they are a solid team, the issue is if they don't then you have a 157m committed next season in the final year of Jokic's deal with a limited path forward to build around your MVP with 107 and 100m respectively committed to non-Jokic talent from 2023 thru 2025 seasons.

Denver really needs to just hold the line with their roster and see what they have before I think any major decisions on movement get made.

I'm half kidding, but how bad would it look if the Raptors traded Siakam and FVV for MPJ, Morris, and Murray ? Is a trade like that even allowed when the two main guys are injured? The Raptors basically completely give up on this year, but get two guys with special potential. The Nuggets stay competitive this year and improve their team defense.

I'd only trade Siakam for a younger cheaper replacement. I'd prefer someone like Patrick Williams to MPJ.

Siakam + Flynn for P. Williams, Jones Jr., White, Brown Jr. + POR 2022 FRP.

New Core - Anunoby, Barnes, Williams

See if White can be developed into the 6th man. Two picks in this year's draft. See what FVV & Trent Jr. can get via trade at the deadline or next summer.

Bulls are winning a championship with that additional firepower of FVV off of the bench

but that trade is so lopsided salary wise, it won't happen.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxafqtoz <-- failed trade

[Spida888]

I'm half kidding, but how bad would it look if the Raptors traded Siakam and FVV for MPJ, Morris, and Murray ? Is a trade like that even allowed when the two main guys are injured? The Raptors basically completely give up on this year, but get two guys with special potential. The Nuggets stay competitive this year and improve their team defense.

I'd only trade Siakam for a younger cheaper replacement. I'd prefer someone like Patrick Williams to MPJ.

Siakam + Flynn for P. Williams, Jones Jr., White, Brown Jr. + POR 2022 FRP.

New Core - Anunoby, Barnes, Williams

See if White can be developed into the 6th man. Two picks in this year's draft. See what FVV & Trent Jr. can get via trade at the deadline or next summer.

That's pretty good. Jones and Brown are expiring.

Siakam + Flynn + Champagnie + Cash for P. Williams, Jones Jr., White, Brown Jr. (to be waived) and 2022 1st pick Chicago (or Por which ever is later)

PG FVV - Banton - White
SG Trent - Svi - White
SF OG - Yuta - PWill
PF Barnes - PWill - Jones
C Precious - Birch - Boucher

The framework of that deal is pretty good. If we can also get Ayo, I'm in.

Bulls are missing a 4 which Pascal can fill, but not sure if they are willing to be a tax team especially if they want to renew Lavine in the offseason.