2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)

[srhcan]

Rookie Tracker through Nov. 22. Cade rising quickly.

Cade already #3 in points, #4 in rebounds, #2 in assists, #1 in steals. He will soon leave Mobley behind in ROY race. It looks like Cade #1, Mobley #2 then dogfight for #3.

[MotownMadness]

How much time do you have too miss to be disqualified for a award like ROTY?

[bisme37]

Rookie Tracker through Nov. 22. Cade rising quickly.

My main takeaway here is there's a dude named Herbert Jones in the NBA. Had no idea. Apologies to the Jones family.

[duppyy]

Voted Cade, seems like he's picking up steam.

[HiRez]

Rookie Tracker through Nov. 22. Cade rising quickly.

My main takeaway here is there's a dude named Herbert Jones in the NBA. Had no idea. Apologies to the Jones family.

There's also an active team in the NBA called the New Orleans Pelicans. I know, who knew, right?

[yoyoboy]

Cade missed 5 games at the start of the year. Mobley has missed 3 games so far. How are we already talking about Mobley being “disqualified” for ROY race and saying things like Cade is about to leave him and everyone else in the dust? Do people think Cade has played better/been more impactful than Mobley when they’ve been on the court this year?

[MotownMadness]

Cade missed 5 games at the start of the year. Mobley has missed 3 games so far. How are we already talking about Mobley being “disqualified” for ROY race and saying things like Cade is about to leave him and everyone else in the dust? Do people think Cade has played better/been more impactful than Mobley when they’ve been on the court this year?

I asked a question out of curiosity, good lord. I just know there is a certain amount of games one can miss for those awards.

Chill your self bro

[yoyoboy]

Cade missed 5 games at the start of the year. Mobley has missed 3 games so far. How are we already talking about Mobley being “disqualified” for ROY race and saying things like Cade is about to leave him and everyone else in the dust? Do people think Cade has played better/been more impactful than Mobley when they’ve been on the court this year?

I asked a question out of curiosity, good lord. I just know there is a certain amount of games one can miss for those awards.

Chill your self bro

I get it, just saying that Mobley will be back by end of next week most likely, so around 7-8 games missed total. LaMelo won ROY after missing 21 out of 72 games last year, or about 29% of the season. But Embiid obvsiously couldn’t win after missing like 62% of the season. I don’t think there’s a hard limit. Just up to the voters to decide how much value they place on games played.

[Jadoogar]

How much time do you have too miss to be disqualified for a award like ROTY?

depends on the competition. Embiid only played 36 games in his rookie season and was still in the running for the award because the class was so weak, no one else was running away with the award (eventually went to Brogdon)

This year has several good rookies so anyone missing significant time will have a much harder time.

[HiRez]

There's also a recency bias so if there's close competition whoever finishes the season stronger probably has an advantage.

[MotownMadness]

Cade looked like complete crap tonight

[The Moose]

Cade looked like complete crap tonight

very passive game from him

[Blacksheep25]

I think Mobley’s stock is going up while being out. The other rookies in the conversation are really struggling, and his team is visibly missing him. They’re playing hard, but have just came up short a few games.

He’s the only rookie who is a plus player when he’s been on the court. Hopefully he gets back fully healthy quickly. He’s still played 3 more games than Cade and only one less than Barnes.

I didn’t realize how well Giddey has been playing. It’s super early, but him and Barnes are a close 2 and 3 and Giddey really seems to be figuring it out and on the rise. He really looks to be a nice player. I hadn’t seen him much, so I watched a lot of highlights today.

Does everything well besides shoot the 3 yet. None of the rookies have really shot 3 well thought except Duarte who is over 5 years older than Josh.

I have to admit I thought he was a reach at 6, and at just 19 and a 6’8 guard, I think I’d take him fourth at worst in a redraft tomorrow. No where do they overrate offense more than ROTY, so idk if he’ll get the attention he deserves, but he should be top 3 right now.

The others in the conversation have had a way more negative impact when on the court.

[QingJames]

I think Mobley’s stock is going up while being out. The other rookies in the conversation are really struggling, and his team is visibly missing him. They’re playing hard, but have just came up short a few games.

He’s the only rookie who is a plus player when he’s been on the court. Hopefully he gets back fully healthy quickly. He’s still played 3 more games than Cade and only one less than Barnes.

I didn’t realize how well Giddey has been playing. It’s super early, but him and Barnes are a close 2 and 3 and Giddey really seems to be figuring it out and on the rise. He really looks to be a nice player. I hadn’t seen him much, so I watched a lot of highlights today.

Does everything well besides shoot the 3 yet. None of the rookies have really shot 3 well thought except Duarte who is over 5 years older than Josh.

I have to admit I thought he was a reach at 6, and at just 19 and a 6’8 guard, I think I’d take him fourth at worst in a redraft tomorrow. No where do they overrate offense more than ROTY, so idk if he’ll get the attention he deserves, but he should be top 3 right now.

The others in the conversation have had a way more negative impact when on the court.

Who are you kicking out of the top 4 in the redraft? Green?

[srhcan]

I think Mobley’s stock is going up while being out. The other rookies in the conversation are really struggling, and his team is visibly missing him. They’re playing hard, but have just came up short a few games.

He’s the only rookie who is a plus player when he’s been on the court. Hopefully he gets back fully healthy quickly. He’s still played 3 more games than Cade and only one less than Barnes.

I didn’t realize how well Giddey has been playing. It’s super early, but him and Barnes are a close 2 and 3 and Giddey really seems to be figuring it out and on the rise. He really looks to be a nice player. I hadn’t seen him much, so I watched a lot of highlights today.

Does everything well besides shoot the 3 yet. None of the rookies have really shot 3 well thought except Duarte who is over 5 years older than Josh.

I have to admit I thought he was a reach at 6, and at just 19 and a 6’8 guard, I think I’d take him fourth at worst in a redraft tomorrow. No where do they overrate offense more than ROTY, so idk if he’ll get the attention he deserves, but he should be top 3 right now.

The others in the conversation have had a way more negative impact when on the court.

Who are you kicking out of the top 4 in the redraft? Green?

If the real Green finally shows up then Barnes will be the one out of the top 4 in the redraft: #1 Cade #2 Mobley #3 Green #4 Giddy #5 Barnes while Suggs will be out of top 10

[PD28]

Cade is due for another monster game soon enough. He's easily the most skilled prospect, just hoping the bad roster around him doesn't hurt his numbers too much.

[reanimator]

For me so far its: Mobley, Barnes, Cade, Giddey, Wagner, Sengun, Duarte then a gap

[OrlMagic05]

I think Mobley’s stock is going up while being out. The other rookies in the conversation are really struggling, and his team is visibly missing him. They’re playing hard, but have just came up short a few games.

He’s the only rookie who is a plus player when he’s been on the court. Hopefully he gets back fully healthy quickly. He’s still played 3 more games than Cade and only one less than Barnes.

I didn’t realize how well Giddey has been playing. It’s super early, but him and Barnes are a close 2 and 3 and Giddey really seems to be figuring it out and on the rise. He really looks to be a nice player. I hadn’t seen him much, so I watched a lot of highlights today.

Does everything well besides shoot the 3 yet. None of the rookies have really shot 3 well thought except Duarte who is over 5 years older than Josh.

I have to admit I thought he was a reach at 6, and at just 19 and a 6’8 guard, I think I’d take him fourth at worst in a redraft tomorrow. No where do they overrate offense more than ROTY, so idk if he’ll get the attention he deserves, but he should be top 3 right now.

The others in the conversation have had a way more negative impact when on the court.

Who are you kicking out of the top 4 in the redraft? Green?

If the real Green finally shows up then Barnes will be the one out of the top 4 in the redraft: #1 Cade #2 Mobley #3 Green #4 Giddy #5 Barnes while Suggs will be out of top 10

While I am one of the biggest Suggs haters at the moment, I really dont understand how Green and Cade get a pass for playing awful so far, but Suggs gets bashed so bad that he falls out of the top 10? The 3 of them have all had good games, with the majority of their games being very bad.

Cade- 34%FG 24%3pt 13ppg 5ast 6rebs 31mpg
Green- 37%FG 27%3pt 14ppg 2ast 3reb 32mpg
Suggs- 32%FG 25%3pt 12ppg 3ast 3reb 27mpg

These three have all played bad. If Sugg falls out of top 10 how can the other two remain in top 3?

[JonFromVA]

Who are you kicking out of the top 4 in the redraft? Green?

If the real Green finally shows up then Barnes will be the one out of the top 4 in the redraft: #1 Cade #2 Mobley #3 Green #4 Giddy #5 Barnes while Suggs will be out of top 10

While I am one of the biggest Suggs haters at the moment, I really dont understand how Green and Cade get a pass for playing awful so far, but Suggs gets bashed so bad that he falls out of the top 10? The 3 of them have all had good games, with the majority of their games being very bad.

Cade- 34%FG 24%3pt 13ppg 5ast 6rebs 31mpg
Green- 37%FG 27%3pt 14ppg 2ast 3reb 32mpg
Suggs- 32%FG 25%3pt 12ppg 3ast 3reb 27mpg

These three have all played bad. If Sugg falls out of top 10 how can the other two remain in top 3?

Fans are always looking for flashes, those games where a young player demonstrates his potential even if he can't repeat it. I'm not sure Suggs has put together one complete game (box score wise) so far, and that's likely why people are down on him.

Not to mention, but Suggs as a PG prospect is expected to do more than Green as a SG prospect ... but if we take things like defense and +/- in to account there's a strong case to put Suggs over Green.

[reanimator]

If the real Green finally shows up then Barnes will be the one out of the top 4 in the redraft: #1 Cade #2 Mobley #3 Green #4 Giddy #5 Barnes while Suggs will be out of top 10

While I am one of the biggest Suggs haters at the moment, I really dont understand how Green and Cade get a pass for playing awful so far, but Suggs gets bashed so bad that he falls out of the top 10? The 3 of them have all had good games, with the majority of their games being very bad.

Cade- 34%FG 24%3pt 13ppg 5ast 6rebs 31mpg
Green- 37%FG 27%3pt 14ppg 2ast 3reb 32mpg
Suggs- 32%FG 25%3pt 12ppg 3ast 3reb 27mpg

These three have all played bad. If Sugg falls out of top 10 how can the other two remain in top 3?

Fans are always looking for flashes, those games where a young player demonstrates his potential even if he can't repeat it. I'm not sure Suggs has put together one complete game (box score wise) so far, and that's likely why people are down on him.

Not to mention, but Suggs as a PG prospect is expected to do more than Green as a SG prospect ... but if we take things like defense and +/- in to account there's a strong case to put Suggs over Green.

This but I will say Green isn't playing with a real PG. Cade also has strung together more good games than Suggs without a co creator like Cole Anthony to ease the burden and less shooting on the roster.