Around the League 2021-2022

winforlose · Post #241 » by **winforlose** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:01 am

Lebron suspension is our gain. Lakers are 9-10 and we are 9th.

Battletrigger · Post #242 » by **Battletrigger** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:36 am

For me it's a shame, you cannot punish the attacked harder than the aggressor. NBA was too soft with Bron.

winforlose · Post #243 » by **winforlose** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:15 pm

Battletrigger wrote:For me it's a shame, you cannot punish the attacked harder than the aggressor. NBA was too soft with Bron.

To be fair, the guy went crazy for 15 minutes. It’s not like he trash talked and then went to the locker room, he was trying to run through people. I kinda wish instead the NBA suspended Stewart 1 game and made him go to anger management.

Battletrigger · Post #244 » by **Battletrigger** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:18 pm

winforlose wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:For me it's a shame, you cannot punish the attacked harder than the aggressor. NBA was too soft with Bron.

To be fair, the guy went crazy for 15 minutes. It’s not like he trash talked and then went to the locker room, he was trying to run through people. I kinda wish instead the NBA suspended Stewart 1 game and made him go to anger management.

I know man, but imagine how would be the world if the penal code were like that. The one how attacks has to be the one with the hardest punish.

winforlose · Post #245 » by **winforlose** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:20 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:For me it's a shame, you cannot punish the attacked harder than the aggressor. NBA was too soft with Bron.

To be fair, the guy went crazy for 15 minutes. It’s not like he trash talked and then went to the locker room, he was trying to run through people. I kinda wish instead the NBA suspended Stewart 1 game and made him go to anger management.

I know man, but imagine how would be the world if the penal code were like that. The one how attacks has to be the one with the hardest punish.

Man 1 punches man 2 in the face, man 2 tries to kill man 1 and is only stopped by a crowd of people who are also endangered by man 2, who do you thinks gets the worse punishment?

Battletrigger · Post #246 » by **Battletrigger** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:31 pm

Stewart didn't try to kill anybody.

He overreacted but he didn't do anything in the end. Very flashy? Yes, but all noise.

winforlose · Post #247 » by **winforlose** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:36 pm

Battletrigger wrote:Stewart didn't try to kill anybody.

He overreacted but he didn't do anything in the end. Very flashy? Yes, but all noise.

True, but the delay in the game, the ongoing threat of violence, the refusal to leave the floor despite the ejection, the less serious but still real assaults on the people trying to restrain him (using the legal definition, not the common one,) and the terrible example to the children watching kinda forced the NBA’s hand. Stew needed to let the situation de-escalate and he didn’t. At some point it stops being a reasonable reaction and becomes something else.

fattymcgee · Post #248 » by **fattymcgee** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:37 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:For me it's a shame, you cannot punish the attacked harder than the aggressor. NBA was too soft with Bron.

To be fair, the guy went crazy for 15 minutes. It’s not like he trash talked and then went to the locker room, he was trying to run through people. I kinda wish instead the NBA suspended Stewart 1 game and made him go to anger management.

I know man, but imagine how would be the world if the penal code were like that. The one how attacks has to be the one with the hardest punish.

But did LeBron intentionally elbow him? The one video I saw wasn't very clear and I didn't think so therefore 1 game is adequate. However, if it was intentional, I agree he should've had a much longer suspension than Stewart. I'm surprised that I've only seen one video from one bad angle.

winforlose · Post #249 » by **winforlose** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:38 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
winforlose wrote:
To be fair, the guy went crazy for 15 minutes. It’s not like he trash talked and then went to the locker room, he was trying to run through people. I kinda wish instead the NBA suspended Stewart 1 game and made him go to anger management.

I know man, but imagine how would be the world if the penal code were like that. The one how attacks has to be the one with the hardest punish.

But did LeBron intentionally elbow him? The one video I saw wasn't very clear and I didn't think so therefore 1 game is adequate. However, if it was intentional, I agree he should've had a much longer suspension than Stewart. I'm surprised that I've only seen one video from one bad angle.

Look it up on ESPN, much better angle. Also, the opinion base is torn between he intended to hit him just not in the face (my opinion,) and he was aiming for the face. Either way a clear non basketball move and worthy of a suspension.

fattymcgee · Post #250 » by **fattymcgee** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:06 pm

winforlose wrote:
fattymcgee wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
I know man, but imagine how would be the world if the penal code were like that. The one how attacks has to be the one with the hardest punish.

But did LeBron intentionally elbow him? The one video I saw wasn't very clear and I didn't think so therefore 1 game is adequate. However, if it was intentional, I agree he should've had a much longer suspension than Stewart. I'm surprised that I've only seen one video from one bad angle.

Look it up on ESPN, much better angle. Also, the opinion base is torn between he intended to hit him just not in the face (my opinion,) and he was aiming for the face. Either way a clear non basketball move and worthy of a suspension.

If he intentionally elbowed him (especially anywhere near the face) he should be getting a longer suspension.
Conspiracy theory time: Are we not getting more camera angles because the NBA doesn't want us to see something?

winforlose · Post #251 » by **winforlose** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:11 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
winforlose wrote:
fattymcgee wrote:
But did LeBron intentionally elbow him? The one video I saw wasn't very clear and I didn't think so therefore 1 game is adequate. However, if it was intentional, I agree he should've had a much longer suspension than Stewart. I'm surprised that I've only seen one video from one bad angle.

Look it up on ESPN, much better angle. Also, the opinion base is torn between he intended to hit him just not in the face (my opinion,) and he was aiming for the face. Either way a clear non basketball move and worthy of a suspension.

If he intentionally elbowed him (especially anywhere near the face) he should be getting a longer suspension.
Conspiracy theory time: Are we not getting more camera angles because the NBA doesn't want us to see something?

There is an angle that shows it fairly well. I saw it on ESPN. It looked like Lebron was trying to get Stewart off of him and threw his arm to push him off. Where things go wrong is the elbow hits the face and Stewart goes down. Lebron seems shocked. It could be acting, but I think it was the natural oh Sh** moment we all have when something small becomes something big. I don’t see the NBA suspending a guy multi games when he has one ejection in 18 years and no history of violence. More likely if that doesn’t hit his face it is tech rather than a flagrant. But again, the move was non basketball and he therefore deserves a suspension. I didn’t like it when that stuff was done to me and I don’t blame the players for not wanting it done to them.

FinnTheHuman · Post #252 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:24 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
winforlose wrote:
fattymcgee wrote:
But did LeBron intentionally elbow him? The one video I saw wasn't very clear and I didn't think so therefore 1 game is adequate. However, if it was intentional, I agree he should've had a much longer suspension than Stewart. I'm surprised that I've only seen one video from one bad angle.

Look it up on ESPN, much better angle. Also, the opinion base is torn between he intended to hit him just not in the face (my opinion,) and he was aiming for the face. Either way a clear non basketball move and worthy of a suspension.

If he intentionally elbowed him (especially anywhere near the face) he should be getting a longer suspension.
Conspiracy theory time: Are we not getting more camera angles because the NBA doesn't want us to see something?

You have all this footage, it's pretty clear, nobody's hiding anything. The only thing that remains a mystery is what exact intention was going through Lebron's mind. My take is that it was a short spurt of great frustration where he just decided to throw his arm/hand in the face/upper body area, but not to hit him like that and draw blood.

Check it out from ~00:45 in this vid, the guy's pretty funny :lol:

Watch on YouTube

fattymcgee · Post #253 » by **fattymcgee** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:29 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
winforlose wrote:
fattymcgee wrote:
But did LeBron intentionally elbow him? The one video I saw wasn't very clear and I didn't think so therefore 1 game is adequate. However, if it was intentional, I agree he should've had a much longer suspension than Stewart. I'm surprised that I've only seen one video from one bad angle.

Look it up on ESPN, much better angle. Also, the opinion base is torn between he intended to hit him just not in the face (my opinion,) and he was aiming for the face. Either way a clear non basketball move and worthy of a suspension.

If he intentionally elbowed him (especially anywhere near the face) he should be getting a longer suspension.
Conspiracy theory time: Are we not getting more camera angles because the NBA doesn't want us to see something?

I just found another video and you are right that it was obviously intentional. One thing I'd like to point out is that it was NOT an elbow! He let with the elbow and extended the arm and hit him with a back fist. In saying that, I'm not sure there really is a difference. It looked (to me) like they were tangled up and he swung at him to get loose. I don't think he was aiming for the face, but he did hit him in the face.

I'm changing my original stance as it certainly looked intentional and the suspension should've been longer even if he didn't aim for the face.

Battletrigger · Post #254 » by **Battletrigger** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:41 pm

winforlose wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:Stewart didn't try to kill anybody.

He overreacted but he didn't do anything in the end. Very flashy? Yes, but all noise.

True, but the delay in the game, the ongoing threat of violence, the refusal to leave the floor despite the ejection, the less serious but still real assaults on the people trying to restrain him (using the legal definition, not the common one,) and the terrible example to the children watching kinda forced the NBA’s hand. Stew needed to let the situation de-escalate and he didn’t. At some point it stops being a reasonable reaction and becomes something else.

Yes mate, I don't disagree that he earned a suspension but I'd like to see one or two games more to Bron.

Post #255 » by **Calinks** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:31 am

Wiggins might really get a ring this season. Wild.

Neeva · Post #256 » by **Neeva** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:10 am

Gs is overrated. as

Post #257 » by **Calinks** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:54 pm

Neeva wrote:Gs is overrated. as

I don't think so. I just don't think there is a lot of serious competition. There are maybe 3 teams that seem really good right now. Everybody else has holes. Bucks are shaky but could step up. Nuggets got injuries screwing them. Jazz, Jazz always seem like they are missing something. Sixers are screwed until they get a Smmons deal done. Celtics have fallen off a cliff. Nets are in trouble until Kyrie plays then they can be elite. NBA is wide open and the Warriros look the strongest to me right now. Especially if they get Klay and Wiseman back in the fold.

Post #258 » by **Calinks** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:54 am

Ja Morant only has a sprain! Wolves need to try and make hay while he is out though, could be a few weeks.

Note30 · Post #259 » by **Note30** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:48 am

Lakers lost tonight too.

we're all still in reach

theGreatRC · Post #260 » by **theGreatRC** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:04 am

Note30 wrote:Lakers lost tonight too.

we're all still in reach

We're literally a game out of 6th seed, we're fine.

As long as we don't going on losing streaks with 1 or 2 wins in between, we will be right there for the play in at the very end.

The bottom 5 teams do not look good