TexasMassacre wrote:Close to $80 MILLION for Fournier is a bloody travesty. Shambles. Waste of dollary doos!
I get that we all want to be outrage but this is false. It is a $54 million contract.
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TexasMassacre wrote:Close to $80 MILLION for Fournier is a bloody travesty. Shambles. Waste of dollary doos!
seren wrote:TexasMassacre wrote:Close to $80 MILLION for Fournier is a bloody travesty. Shambles. Waste of dollary doos!
I get that we all want to be outrage but this is false. It is a $54 million contract.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:seren wrote:TexasMassacre wrote:Close to $80 MILLION for Fournier is a bloody travesty. Shambles. Waste of dollary doos!
I get that we all want to be outrage but this is false. It is a $54 million contract.
The dollar value is irrelevant to be honest, it's the same amount of years as DeRozan.
seren wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:seren wrote:
I get that we all want to be outrage but this is false. It is a $54 million contract.
The dollar value is irrelevant to be honest, it's the same amount of years as DeRozan.
I disagree. Dollar value determines leftover cap space. Plus the dollar value impacts which and how trades are consummated.
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:Derozan at age 35 making 28 million in 3 years... Yep seems real appetizing for a team to take on lmao.
Fournier is still the better value given his past production. It hasn't worked out so far and I'm not a Fournier guy per se, but it's way easier to move 18-20 mill of him than it is to move 28 million of an aging Derozan who isn't really a plug and play guy himself...
Also after a hot start against weaker opponents, the Bulls are now 8-6 in their last 14. More where we thought they would be and DD's numbers over the last 8 or so games have started to regress to where he usually has been...25/4/4 47/33/90 splits. Still good but not nearly as good as how he started.
Again early season narratives tend to make people forget how long the season truly is. We've played about a month of ball and still have until April to finish this whole season.
Thanks for the context. I wasn't even aware of how the Bulls record played out. Still though, it's not working and in Kembas case I honestly think hes washed as a player. Maybe 1 of 3 games he'll give you a solid half of basketball and then coast but beyond that a major disappointment. Fournier I think just needs rhythm. He needs an offense where the ball moves the passes are timely and there's some level of deception in the system. This offense is predictable.
I agree with everything you said but think Derozen would've been better and here me out for a second cuz everything you said makes sense. But thinking of our coach and what I said was a predictable offense. Thibs probably sees the problem not as his system is slow and predictable; in his mind it's more like "why can't I have more individuals that can make something happen?" And to some extent he's right, we did go into the summer needing a guy who can create but to me not to the extent that you don't create easy baskets. So in a way Derozen would act as a Thibs enabler and vice versa.
Right now Thibs has no issue with the way Randle plays, he wishes he had more Randles. Ya see what I'm saying? I hope I'm getting my point across. I want Thibs to take a guy like Randle and play as if you don't need him to create his own shots but when it becomes necessary it's like an ACE card.
I think your last 2 paragraphs has more to do with the backcourt's inconsistencies than it does with Thibs... Thibs is actually much more flexible on O than people give him credit for. A lot of his Bulls offenses ran through a non iso scoring Joakim Noah post-Rose injury.
Randle is going to iso just like any star player. There needs to be other guys making plays or else the offense is naturally going to look stagnant because they'll become too reliant on Randle.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:seren wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
The dollar value is irrelevant to be honest, it's the same amount of years as DeRozan.
I disagree. Dollar value determines leftover cap space. Plus the dollar value impacts which and how trades are consummated.
There's an $7-10 million difference between their contracts, it's negligible at best, especially when you take into account Kemba's contract as well. We're not signing a star with caproom, it will take a trade, and moving a contract like DeMar's is possible without too much trouble.
The years are what matters, you can move DeMar in the 3rd year just the same as you will be able to move Fournier.
nedleeds wrote:Thibs = Woody = Steve Clifford = Scott Brooks
Gutless coaches who yell accountability, but yank guys like IQ after 1 bad play but let the Randle and Melos of the world chuck, loaf and get T's from the bench.
seren wrote:nedleeds wrote:Thibs = Woody = Steve Clifford = Scott Brooks
Gutless coaches who yell accountability, but yank guys like IQ after 1 bad play but let the Randle and Melos of the world chuck, loaf and get T's from the bench.
Honestly I am very surprised by his performance here. He looked like a dude who would be demanding effort whole game every game
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
Gravy wrote:Get Derozan on this team instead and the same people that want him now would be complaining about the spacing, not being a #1, treadmill, age, contract, fit etc.
Its more fun to doom n gloom 5 games into the season but I'll wait until the all star break or playoffs and see if Demar and the Bulls are still dominating.
nyknicks09 wrote:Gravy wrote:Get Derozan on this team instead and the same people that want him now would be complaining about the spacing, not being a #1, treadmill, age, contract, fit etc.
Its more fun to doom n gloom 5 games into the season but I'll wait until the all star break or playoffs and see if Demar and the Bulls are still dominating.
You obviously are not watching Bulls games since the start of the season and we already played them twice. Billy Donovan is a good NBA head coach and understand how to play his young guys due to him coaching in college.
He’s developing good habits with his veteran players along with the young guys off the bench. Good substitutions and manages their minutes the best possible way because it’s a long season so he’s going to manage that accordingly.
The Bulls front office has done a great job so far helping Billy Donovan and Lavine(free agent after this season/smart move by the Bulls) with some proven veteran signings in the offseason in other words someone is earning their paycheck unlike Leon Rose handing free paychecks to unproven players.
Give credit where credit is due cause the Bulls have really improved their team tremendously with their free agent signings.
sol537 wrote:Start: Noel (our best defender and a true anchor), Randle, RJ, Fournier, IQ
(let IQ, RJ, and Fournier share in playmaking duties)
Bench: Mitch (until he's traded at the deadline), Obi (get him more back-up "5" minutes for small ball with Randle), Burks, Rose
Buyout/waive Walker
Once we make that simple tweak, we'll grow into a better team than last season even if our standings position ends up lower.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor