Lakers are 9-10. Who's to blame?

NZB2323 · Post #81 » by **NZB2323** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:37 pm

It's the GM's fault. Not only is Westbrook not a good fit, but look at the age of this roster:

Lebron - 37
Carmelo- 37
Dwight - 36
Ariza- 36
Rondo - 35
Ellington - 34
Westbrook - 33
DJ - 33
Avery Bradley - 31

To the people saying, "it's not fair to criticize the Lakers, Lebron has only played 8 games..."

Lebron has played 50,333 minutes in his career and 11,035 minutes in the playoffs. The only players in NBA history who have played more minutes than Lebron are Kareem, Karl Malone, Dirk and KG. Lebron will likely pass Dirk and KG for total minutes played this year. Lebron is the all time leader for minutes played in the playoffs. He's at 11,035, Duncan is 2nd at 9,370, and Kareem is 3rd at 8,851.

In the 8 games Lebron played, he was playing 35 minutes a game. It's so predictable that Lebron would get injured, it's predictable that Davis would get injured. It's predictable that Westbrook would be a bad fit with them, it's predictable that Dwight/Rondo would not be good for this team.

The 2014 Spurs were successful because they had young players like Kawhi, Danny Green, Belinelli, and Patty Mills who could run and shoot 3s who provided balance for the aging Duncan/Ginobili/Parker. Who are the young guys on the Lakers who can run and shoot 3s? That's who the Lakers should have prioritized getting in the offseason.

Post #82 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:51 pm

Whoever decided to make the Russ trade is the main person to blame. When the trade took place the vast majority of people laughed at it because the fit was clearly awful. That honestly seemed like a Madden/2k kind of trade. The big name and individual with the higher overall will make your team better. But in reality you traded away two guys that fit the team very well and a 6th man of the year caliber guy off the bench, for a ball dominant PG that is as bad of a fit as you could possible ask for alongside LeBron and AD.

Whoever decided to go through with that trade is incompetent in actually building cohesive rosters. The current Lakers team is just a weird mashup of young and really old players and a bunch of players that dont fit together at all.

Sprinkle in a little Father Time and it really shouldn't be that much of a surprise to see where the Lakers are currently at.

Tracymcgoaty · Post #83 » by **Tracymcgoaty** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:01 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:The guy that demanded they trade away their depth for Westbrook and that set up the firts meeting. James.

AD-Lebron-Pelinka all had a hand in that happening. Lets not blame it all on one guy.

The one guy set it up before free agency and Pelinka sure as **** was not there as it was just players, or its tampering.

There have been articles about Russel meeting AD and Lebron at Lebrons house to discuss free agency.

Tampering means the trade gets reversed right? I hope it means that! Would be fantastic.

Big J · Post #84 » by **Big J** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:21 pm

Bronsexuals be gettin testy up in here.

picc · Post #85 » by **picc** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:22 pm

They traded away all the defense. Thats the culprit.

theFireBlanket · Post #86 » by **theFireBlanket** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:22 pm

Kostas did demolition work behind the scenes, infiltrating as a prospect & "teammate"

Bobbymcgee · Post #87 » by **Bobbymcgee** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:26 pm

Lakers are stuck with this mess of a roster for the rest of this season. Next season, they are still stuck with Westbrook and will still have LeBron, AD, and THT. Maybe they can re-tool for one more go of it next season with LeBron. After that, they can re-build around AD or trade him and start over from scratch.

BNM · Post #88 » by **BNM** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:36 pm

Tracymcgoaty wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
AD-Lebron-Pelinka all had a hand in that happening. Lets not blame it all on one guy.

The one guy set it up before free agency and Pelinka sure as **** was not there as it was just players, or its tampering.

There have been articles about Russel meeting AD and Lebron at Lebrons house to discuss free agency.

Tampering means the trade gets reversed right? I hope it means that! Would be fantastic.

Ummm... no!

It usually means a hefty fine and loss of future draft picks. Given that they still owe NOP two FRPs and a pick swap, I wonder if the Stepien Rule applies to picks forfeited due to tampering.

Slim Charlez · Post #89 » by **Slim Charlez** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:07 pm

Pelinka. The guy would not be the Lakers GM if Lebron didn't decide to move to LA. For the past two seasons we've seen him make a mess of the roster. The guy is a joke.

Slim Charlez · Post #90 » by **Slim Charlez** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:08 pm

IG2 wrote:Lakers are 5-3 with LeBron in the lineup. 4-7 without. So I can see why he's the 2nd leading vote getter in this poll.

Suprised he isn't the leading vote getter.

thenbaman · Post #91 » by **thenbaman** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:11 pm

Father time.

Slim Charlez · Post #92 » by **Slim Charlez** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:13 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:The guy that demanded they trade away their depth for Westbrook and that set up the firts meeting. James.

Pelinka is the one actually making the moves though. If he just goes for Derozan or Hield what was lebron going to do? ask for a trade?

Grumpy Heat Fan · Post #93 » by **Grumpy Heat Fan** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:28 pm

Lebron

For being old and injury prone, and for wanting Westbrook over Hield

baldur · Post #94 » by **baldur** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:42 pm

washington is rocking with harrell, kcp and kuzma. these are great role players for regular season.

Anticon · Post #95 » by **Anticon** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:54 pm

LeBron and shooters. Maybe a big man that can roll. That's all you need to win with him.

How they wasted 2018-19 and this year doing the opposite is baffling to me. Does LeBron himself not appreciate how much he won with guys like Channing Frye, JR Smith and Love?

Post #96 » by **Michael Jackson** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:55 pm

Westbrook over DDR? Letting Caruso walk?

Ton of questionable moves but all in all it is the age and health of this team and it was all predictable. That all being said if they can be healthy in the playoffs who says they can't win? They surely have a shot. Still just a lot of bad moves.

I get why you trade for AD and it got them a ring but say you didn't make some of these moves

Lakers

Ball, Caruso ,Ingram, LeBron Plus guys like KCP, THT etc... Hell even could have Randle still here in this fantasy world. On top of that you can easily have traded and made different moves like sign a DDR or other players. Maybe you do sign Kawhi a couple years ago. It is just a culmination of too many "superstar" moves and maybe not enough patience?

Ugly0598 · Post #97 » by **Ugly0598** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:21 am

LeBron Pelinka.

Johnny Bball · Post #98 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:23 am

Slim Charlez wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:The guy that demanded they trade away their depth for Westbrook and that set up the firts meeting. James.

Pelinka is the one actually making the moves though. If he just goes for Derozan or Hield what was lebron going to do? ask for a trade?

No, he just gets him fired like he has historically tried with coaches when he doesn't get his way.

You're being naïve if you don't think this was Lebron's idea from the start.

And yes, any other move that WB would have been positive, alas, WB hampers any other ability to make trades or sign UFAs.

trueballer7 · Post #99 » by **trueballer7** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:32 am

Soft team. None of them has any grit in them, well one of them does but he's a dummy. If they dont somehow magically find a way to win without each one of them having to get out of their comfort zones, they're dead meat.

Tracymcgoaty · Post #100 » by **Tracymcgoaty** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:37 am

BNM wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
The one guy set it up before free agency and Pelinka sure as **** was not there as it was just players, or its tampering.

There have been articles about Russel meeting AD and Lebron at Lebrons house to discuss free agency.

Tampering means the trade gets reversed right? I hope it means that! Would be fantastic.

Ummm... no!

It usually means a hefty fine and loss of future draft picks. Given that they still owe NOP two FRPs and a pick swap, I wonder if the Stepien Rule applies to picks forfeited due to tampering.