PG: Knicks-Suns, where the SL squad plays basketball better

Monk1718 · Post #61 » by **Monk1718** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:42 am

god shammgod wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:RJ’s value is in the toilet now

Randle’s is heading there

This is purgatory all over again

and we gotta do it again next year because everyone signed multiple year deals.

I hate the idea of them being easily moveable contracts. Nobody is trading for them. Nobody wants to be THE GUY to potentially lose a trade to the Knicks, too easy for opposing front offices to lose their jobs that way when dealing with us. Rewarding mediocrity will get us nowhere again.

2010 · Post #62 » by **2010** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:43 am

They ask Thibs about the job IQ did playing point, he answers by name-dropping Burks.

Wtf wrong wit this dude? It’s like it pains him to give young players the props they’ve earned.

KnixtapeH20 · Post #63 » by **KnixtapeH20** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:43 am

god shammgod wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:What’s crazy is Thibs is going to be on the hot seat by the end of this season too. Just watch and see. It’s coming

the danger of making the playoffs early is you're supposed to go up from there. you head back down and now it looks worse. if we were just a young team and it took a few years everybody would understand. but you loaded up on vets and made the playoffs and now that's the expectation. you miss it now and there will be questions about the direction of the team.

Exactly. What is the direction of this team?

Unless you inject grimes much like we did IQ last season and sprinkle in McBride more and more, where are we exactly? Whose team is it?

Is there smoke between RJ and Thibs based on the comments a few weeks ago?

nyknicks09 · Post #64 » by **nyknicks09** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:44 am

This felt like a pickup game for the Suns before they play tomorrow and we play tomorrow against the Hawks where Randle got exposed big time and gave us a “discount” :lol:

And Fournier :lol:

I don’t know where to begin is like French Toasted Sticks for me. I thought Shannon Anderson was bad but man oh man this guy takes it to another level bad and is not even funny anymore.

Let’s hope we don’t make a horrible trade in desperation to make the playoffs like the Steve Francis (John Wall) trade just to get rid of Fournier’s horrible contract.

2010 · Post #65 » by **2010** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:46 am

Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

NYKat · Post #66 » by **NYKat** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:46 am

KnixtapeH20 wrote:
NYKat wrote:I think a positive to come from this game is the way the starters played for the first 12 minutes… Fournier was getting his shots in rhythm, Kemba looks a little better running the offense, Randle was not playing as much as iso-ball and Mitch was cleaning up everything…

We really missed D.Rose running the bench offense and Burks should never run the point over IQ (which Thibs did in the beginning— big fail)…

I think we just gotta extrapolate that first quarter into a full 48 minutes and with time and more experience playing together I think we can do that

Unless RJ comes to life, Randle finds his shooting stroke this offense is cooked. Team is built around Randle and RJ. They're missing right now.

Starters need a shake up in the worst way. Thibs has to stop being so damn stubborn

I would give the starters more time actually, cause the offensive execution is actually improving over the last 3-4 games, IMO… (dating back to the Chicago game)… albeit slowly…

RJ is obviously the big weak link as he is going through a nightmare stretch, but I think his shot selection is the biggest problem…

I could see the starters really clicking in about 5-10 more games if not sooner, particularly on offense, provided they continue to execute like they did in the first quarter of this game.

I think Phoenix is bad team measure us against because they are at an elite level and we’re still not our full potential in terms of execution

KnickFan33 · Post #67 » by **KnickFan33** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:46 am

Didn't watch game. Just checked boxscore. Randle only took 8 shots?

Was he moving the ball? Did he get shut down by their defense?

Monk1718 · Post #68 » by **Monk1718** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:47 am

2010 wrote:Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

Not only soft but entitled too.The most frustrating combination.

god shammgod · Post #69 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:48 am

KnixtapeH20 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:What’s crazy is Thibs is going to be on the hot seat by the end of this season too. Just watch and see. It’s coming

the danger of making the playoffs early is you're supposed to go up from there. you head back down and now it looks worse. if we were just a young team and it took a few years everybody would understand. but you loaded up on vets and made the playoffs and now that's the expectation. you miss it now and there will be questions about the direction of the team.

Exactly. What is the direction of this team?

Unless you inject grimes much like we did IQ last season and sprinkle in McBride more and more, where are we exactly? Whose team is it?

Is there smoke between RJ and Thibs based on the comments a few weeks ago?

there is none really. supposedly the "direction" is to trade for a franchise player and nobody on the team now is really important to the future. that's what they tell me on here. but there's only so many of those and they're not that easy to get. and they usually go where they want to go. so they would have to specifically want to come here. and why do they exactly ? i have no idea.

NYKat · Post #70 » by **NYKat** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:50 am

2010 wrote:They ask Thibs about the job IQ did playing point, he answers by name-dropping Burks.

Wtf wrong wit this dude? It’s like it pains him to give young players the props they’ve earned.

That’s where the Suns pulled away when he had Burks running in the point in place of Rose, that looked like a glaring mistake.

omerome · Post #71 » by **omerome** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:51 am

2010 wrote:Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

It starts with our backcourt and then trickles down. Kemba for all of his offensive talents is soft defensively and Fournier, too.

It pains me to say it, but as much as a scrub as Payton was, he didn't back down defensively from anyone and it set that tone for us. His problem was that he was complete garbage in every other category. And Bullock didn't back down either. That part of their game was part of our identity and we clearly don't have it now.

god shammgod · Post #72 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:51 am

Read on Twitter

omerome · Post #73 » by **omerome** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:52 am

god shammgod wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yup. Part of why we suck.

Adelheid · Post #74 » by **Adelheid** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:52 am

something is wrong with rj deffo. seems to be mentally or emotionally shot

Enzo954 · Post #75 » by **Enzo954** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:52 am

The team has no fluidity to it. Once the ball hits Randle's hands everything just comes to a grinding halt and we become stagnant. The Knicks need to grab their balls and make a big boy move and trade Randle. His play affects the entire starting unit. RJ is regressing. The kid needs to run and he'd be better off with the second unit at this point.

PeteW · Post #76 » by **PeteW** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:53 am

omerome wrote:
2010 wrote:Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

It starts with our backcourt and then trickles down. Kemba for all of his offensive talents is soft defensively and Fournier, too.

It pains me to say it, but as much as a scrub as Peyton was, he didn't back down defensively from anyone and it set that down for us. His problem was that he was complete trash in every other category. And Bullock didn't back down either. That part of their game was our identity and we clearly don't have it now.

IQ needs to start but we know Thibs aint doing it because he's afraid to demote a vet. It took him a whole season of watching Elfrid's putrid play and being on the brink of being eliminated from the playoffs before he finally benched Elfrid.

2010 · Post #77 » by **2010** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:54 am

omerome wrote:
2010 wrote:Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

It starts with our backcourt and then trickles down. Kemba for all of his offensive talents is soft defensively and Fournier, too.

It pains me to say it, but as much as a scrub as Peyton was, he didn't back down defensively from anyone and it set that tone for us. His problem was that he was complete garbage in every other category. And Bullock didn't back down either. That part of their game was part of our identity and we clearly don't have it now.

Idgaf that Kemba from NY. I don’t like his mentality or demeanor. He just happy to be here. No edge. No sense of urgency. Smiling with opposing players all the time. He is like the anti-McBride. He be hugging everyone in the league. Someone said it best when they said Kemba carrying it like it’s a farewell tour. I get those vibes from him too.

omerome · Post #78 » by **omerome** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:54 am

PeteW wrote:
omerome wrote:
2010 wrote:Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

It starts with our backcourt and then trickles down. Kemba for all of his offensive talents is soft defensively and Fournier, too.

It pains me to say it, but as much as a scrub as Peyton was, he didn't back down defensively from anyone and it set that down for us. His problem was that he was complete trash in every other category. And Bullock didn't back down either. That part of their game was our identity and we clearly don't have it now.

IQ needs to start but we know Thibs aint doing it because he's afraid to demote a vet. It took him a whole season of watching Elfrid's putrid play and being on the brink of being eliminated from the playoffs before he finally benched Elfrid.

Yes, and he really needs to. Kemba isn't a starter anymore and should come off the bench in spurts. It would honestly be the best decision Thibs could make because Kemba and Rose can light up the second unit with Obi.

Monk1718 · Post #79 » by **Monk1718** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:56 am

Adelheid wrote:something is wrong with rj deffo. seems to be mentally or emotionally shot

He’s playing out of position. He’s not strong enough to get through bigger defenders and Fournier is eating minutes at the 2. If he can’t adjust mentally then that’s on him, needs to learn how to effect the game in other ways if he’s not going to be a consistent offensive threat.

god shammgod · Post #80 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:56 am

2010 wrote:
omerome wrote:
2010 wrote:Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

It starts with our backcourt and then trickles down. Kemba for all of his offensive talents is soft defensively and Fournier, too.

It pains me to say it, but as much as a scrub as Peyton was, he didn't back down defensively from anyone and it set that tone for us. His problem was that he was complete garbage in every other category. And Bullock didn't back down either. That part of their game was part of our identity and we clearly don't have it now.

Idgaf that Kemba from NY. I don’t like his mentality or demeanor. He just happy to be here. No edge. No sense of urgency. Smiling with opposing players all the time. He is like the anti-McBride. He be hugging everyone in the league. Someone said it best when they said Kemba carrying it like it’s a farewell tour. I get those vibes from him too.

i think they said during the broadcast that kemba came home partially to be a presence in the community. that's noble and all but on the court it aint working out really.