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PG: Knicks-Suns, where the SL squad plays basketball better

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Re: PG: Knicks-Suns, where the SL squad plays basketball better 

Post#121 » by louisorr » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:18 am

this what happens when you skip the build part of rebuild. Phonex drafted Kendall Marshall, Alex Len, dragon bender, josh Jackson and Jalen smith over the last 8 or nine years. no one gets em all right. get one or two and then go get a chris Paul. cause folks we aint a dame lillard away from shite.
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Post#122 » by TheGreenArrow » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:20 am

We’ll damn Randles trainer again…………..

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Post#123 » by HEZI » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:20 am

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2010 wrote:Kemba just said “you can tell that team really plays for each other.”

Knicks players keep saying stuff like this about other teams. Seems like shots fired on the slick. They gotta be lowkey saying their own team doesn’t. At least not for a sustained period.


Definitely taking a shot. It’s obvious there are issues with the players. Breen and Clyde point it out, we point it out, players themselves bring it up . It’s that obvious that nobody, except Randle, is sweeping it under the rug.


I'll spell it out. Kemba and Randle need to hash out how they're gonna play together and it might need to get heated. This pussyfooting around will get nowhere.


If they’re going to do it they need to do it sooner than later
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Post#124 » by robillionaire » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:21 am

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robillionaire wrote:I think we just need to accept the team will be average at best until a big trade happens. Might even be in the lottery and might be a couple years too. Temper expectations


they can't ask for us to temper expectations when they set the expectations last year. You simply need to improve on those expectations.

And as time passes and we aren't playing well our leverage for a "star" trade becomes less and less and our assets depreciate as time passes.


Well they tried and failed so I’m just saying on a personal level you might want to do that. They obviously won’t say that but we should anyway
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Post#125 » by RHODEY » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:24 am

2010 wrote:
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2010 wrote:Kemba just said “you can tell that team really plays for each other.”

Knicks players keep saying stuff like this about other teams. Seems like shots fired on the slick. They gotta be lowkey saying their own team doesn’t. At least not for a sustained period.


I kinda see Randle trying, but the chemistry and BBall IQ from the starting unit just isnt there. Credit the Suns..they look every bit like top contenders for sure but....

For a bit we were evenly trading blows with them......and no Rose or Taj.

This team starting lineup reminds be of a lawnmower that is humming along then gets jammed up.

But I think we'll be ok. If not the weak spots on this team will be identified and can be moved in the long term.


I don’t think he is a bad guy per se. He is just the wrong player to attempt to build around and he has a playing style that isn’t conducive to team ball. So he gotta go if we have real contention goals.


Oh yes but for the first time (in a looong tie!)I actually trust that our current FO recognizes this and will make the necessary moves to dump him. The good news is he is tradeable and so is Fournier. Mitch and RJ.....

We might not get equal value in return but theres enough to package for a "Build able" piece ..I think.
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Post#126 » by nyknicks09 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:24 am

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2010 wrote:Real talk, this team is soft. Particularly the starters.

It starts with our backcourt and then trickles down. Kemba for all of his offensive talents is soft defensively and Fournier, too.

It pains me to say it, but as much as a scrub as Peyton was, he didn't back down defensively from anyone and it set that tone for us. His problem was that he was complete garbage in every other category. And Bullock didn't back down either. That part of their game was part of our identity and we clearly don't have it now.


Idgaf that Kemba from NY. I don’t like his mentality or demeanor. He just happy to be here. No edge. No sense of urgency. Smiling with opposing players all the time. He is like the anti-McBride. He be hugging everyone in the league. Someone said it best when they said Kemba carrying it like it’s a farewell tour. I get those vibes from him too.


And he’s :lol: to the bank too cause he probably can’t believe the Knicks gave him that contract after getting that buyout is like he hit the lottery twice without knowing and he’s smiling.
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Post#127 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:24 am

Suns are a step above the Knicks, at least a step up better. I'm not going to get into some scale, other then the Suns are a deep playoff team right now, with a good starting lineup and a very good bench, where the Knicks have an "ok" starting line up and a good, but nothing spectacular, bench.
And that's if Rose played, but he didn't.

So, not really concerned with the loss.
Sucks Obi didn't really show up in the first half, but his main edge is athleticism and the Suns have it also, so that's that.
RJ looked like total ass once again. It's an issue. If Fournier was an elite wing, MAYBE the Knicks can get away with RJ, but I'm not so sure.

I'll go back and read through the comments to understand what happened in the 3rd and 4th and why Grimes played so many minutes and how did IQ's 16 points look. He looked nice in the first half and the announcers were gushing over him and his PG play. While it's better, it still needs work. He's better than RJ though.
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Post#128 » by robillionaire » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:27 am

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god shammgod wrote:
robillionaire wrote:I think we just need to accept the team will be average at best until a big trade happens. Might even be in the lottery and might be a couple years too. Temper expectations


so possibly forever. cool.


Yes possibly forever


Honestly if you’re a Knicks fan and it hasn’t crossed your mind that this team might be bad “possibly forever”… I’m afraid you may want to start giving that some thought because it’s a very realistic possibility

Dolan will die someday and that’s about the only catalyst to look forward to and even then there are no guarantees the next man up won’t be just as bad or worse

We might make the playoffs once or twice a decade, better enjoy those moments because it’s probably all we’ll ever have (excluding people alive in the 60s)
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Post#129 » by Adelheid » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:28 am

The suns wont look this good without cp3. worth every penny. player and coach rolled into 1 person.
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Post#130 » by RHODEY » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 am

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robillionaire wrote:I think we just need to accept the team will be average at best until a big trade happens. Might even be in the lottery and might be a couple years too. Temper expectations


they can't ask for us to temper expectations when they set the expectations last year. You simply need to improve on those expectations.

And as time passes and we aren't playing well our leverage for a "star" trade becomes less and less and our assets depreciate as time passes.


Thing is there are benefits to being a treadmill team during a season if unprecedented parity. One is that we wont even be bad enough to haveour key movable guys plummet in value. So basically we should be able to trade with other treadmill (or worse) teams that might have better fitting talent.

Right now I think we are too deep to plummet too far...
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Post#131 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:31 am

Iron Mantis wrote:RJ's confidence seems low lately. I hope he wakes up.

Besides Quickley and Rose, no one else consistently has a fiery competitive edge.

Need to make serious roster roves, especially for some backcourt talent. No player or pick is off the table.


Confidence isn't RJ's problem. Talent and ability and lack thereof is.

He's just not that good. I mean, he plays the right way, rebounds well for a wing, has good character, but he's basically wing Elf, more or less. With less defense. Like, if somehow the Knicks got really awesome and signed an allstar PG and an allstar wing or SG and a talented center who could score, then MAYBE they could ride with RJ's limitations.

I think he's a player you put in a trade for a better player. The Knicks weren't perfect in the draft and didn't have the elite FO skills to trade back etc etc. And that's ok. Or would be ok with RJ being who he is, but the Frank and Knox drafts set the Knicks so far back, that it makes RJ being totally ordinary at #3 fairly devastating.

Knicks deserve actual kudos for being able to field a mediocore team when drafting Frank/Knox/RJ in 3 consecutive drafts.
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Post#132 » by RHODEY » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:32 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Suns are a step above the Knicks, at least a step up better. I'm not going to get into some scale, other then the Suns are a deep playoff team right now, with a good starting lineup and a very good bench, where the Knicks have an "ok" starting line up and a good, but nothing spectacular, bench.
And that's if Rose played, but he didn't.

So, not really concerned with the loss.
Sucks Obi didn't really show up in the first half, but his main edge is athleticism and the Suns have it also, so that's that.
RJ looked like total ass once again. It's an issue. If Fournier was an elite wing, MAYBE the Knicks can get away with RJ, but I'm not so sure.

I'll go back and read through the comments to understand what happened in the 3rd and 4th and why Grimes played so many minutes and how did IQ's 16 points look. He looked nice in the first half and the announcers were gushing over him and his PG play. While it's better, it still needs work. He's better than RJ though.


Agreed although by the numbers our bench is better than theirs - ranked 3rd in the league in points production to their 5th. Problem is our starting unit has been worse than "ok".
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Post#133 » by Iron Mantis » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:32 am

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NYKat wrote:I think a positive to come from this game is the way the starters played for the first 12 minutes… Fournier was getting his shots in rhythm, Kemba looks a little better running the offense, Randle was not playing as much as iso-ball and Mitch was cleaning up everything…

We really missed D.Rose running the bench offense and Burks should never run the point over IQ (which Thibs did in the beginning— big fail)…

I think we just gotta extrapolate that first quarter into a full 48 minutes and with time and more experience playing together I think we can do that


Ever heard of this term before……It’s not how you start…..

I’ll let you finish the rest.

The reality is that the Knicks are in this situation because of Leon Rose, Perry, and Thibs. If they can’t somehow turn this around, they won’t last past this season.

Leon Rose knew the situation and if he didn’t study the history of the Knicks before than he’s up for a rude awakening.

So far I give him a C- with that horrible extension to Randle and free agent signing of Fournier aka Shannon Anderson.

Knowing the Knicks they’re going to make a horrible trade to add a longer contract and still keep Randle and Fournier.

We are seeing stats from Isiah “Zeke” Thomas days territory and that’s dangerous signs to come.


Still can't wrap my mind around why they would draft Obi and keep Randle. :crazy:
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Post#134 » by BugginOut » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:34 am

For all the doom and gloom this is the only game we have actually been blown out in all season. Suns are just on another tier
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Post#135 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:34 am

2010 wrote:
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ON THE ROAD TO 10-82!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Don’t we have an analytics department. How are they not shoving this paperwork in Thibs face?


He's just using the paperwork as a tablecloth for his post game burgers and fries
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Post#136 » by mpharris36 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:34 am

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robillionaire wrote:I think we just need to accept the team will be average at best until a big trade happens. Might even be in the lottery and might be a couple years too. Temper expectations


they can't ask for us to temper expectations when they set the expectations last year. You simply need to improve on those expectations.

And as time passes and we aren't playing well our leverage for a "star" trade becomes less and less and our assets depreciate as time passes.


Well they tried and failed so I’m just saying on a personal level you might want to do that. They obviously won’t say that but we should anyway


In the offseason I kinda started to reset my expections after what I believe they had a dreadful offseason. Our one calling card they completely threw away for mediocre vets who can score but give more up on the other end then they can produce on offense.

I didn't mind spending but they clearly misspent our enormous amount of cap space.
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Post#137 » by GONYK » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:36 am

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they can't ask for us to temper expectations when they set the expectations last year. You simply need to improve on those expectations.

And as time passes and we aren't playing well our leverage for a "star" trade becomes less and less and our assets depreciate as time passes.


Well they tried and failed so I’m just saying on a personal level you might want to do that. They obviously won’t say that but we should anyway


In the offseason I kinda started to reset my expections after what I believe they had a dreadful offseason. Our one calling card they completely threw away for mediocre vets who can score but give more up on the other end then they can produce on offense.

I didn't mind spending but they clearly misspent our enormous amount of cap space.


They weren't going to get any further if they didn't improve offensively
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Post#138 » by Fat » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:36 am

Starters play way to lazy and look lost on both ends. Not a good problem to have on your hands
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Post#139 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:37 am

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Post#140 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:39 am

Clyde_Style wrote:Wingo just wants to get to the ECF one more time

So sad


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