Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ?

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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#61 » by FNQ » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:24 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:Sometimes one gains a reputation that sticks far too long. I think Wiggins get beat up on far too much. Days of living up to generational talent may be over but after the hype has settled I think hes a bit underrated now.


It'll be this way forever.. last year, when W's fans told the GB how good Wiggins was on defense.. first we were homers, there's no way its true, Wiggins is still playing lazy (lol)... Then after it was maintained, it was "he always does this, he'll quit eventually".. then it became how Kerr was catering to him by keeping him on-ball (he was splitting that assignment with Oubre until Oubre got hurt)..

He just has limited handles and mediocre BBIQ, topped off with being an introvert. Somehow thats made him a lazy, uncaring, player. I'm not watching disappointing draft picks on other teams, so I get why the idea hasnt been updated, but the groupthink has been way off on Wiggins for a while
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#62 » by iLLmatic860 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:31 pm

Maybe if Wiggins grew up in America, he’d be tougher
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#63 » by Ayt » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:03 am

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Upperclass wrote:Edwards plays and moves like a young.. MJ.. he really does and it's wild to watch. Doesn't seem like there's anything he can't do athletically on a basketball court

Hmm, not getting this at all. Jordan was the springiest, spryest athlete I've ever seen in his younger years, it was like he was gumby but made of pure muscle. Edwards moves pretty well and has the legit 3-level scorer skillset, but he has very little of that crazy pure fluidity that allowed Jordan to get into every gap--and finish, get fouled, and drop dimes off double teams all day right from rip. Edwards has more of that freight train type of athleticism than the agility of MJ, which makes him a totally different driver and creator.


See I think it's the reverse.I think Jordan was more powerful and he was more fundamentally sound so that might play into saying he was fluid. I mean think about it, if you can even perform a Eurostep these days that's a more fluid move than anything from 20yrs ago. Not to say that's Jordan's fault but today's players have mimicked him thier whole lives and then have more in the arsenal especially with loose carrying rules of today so don't think I'm blaming Jordan for that. He did what he knew he was allowed to do.

What Jordan was better at for sure is that stop and rise. You give him a pick (and this is before Jordan became amazing in the post) and he'd come around that pick then get toward the foul line, stop and rise up above the outstretched arms of the bigmen and hit a midrange. And he really got up there, I don't remember what his vertical was but still to this day it's historically one of the best.


Here is a play from 30 years ago. You think a eurostep is more fluid than this?

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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#64 » by DroseReturnChi » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:09 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:Maybe if Wiggins grew up in America, he’d be tougher


like fake tough guys in miami.
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#65 » by ShootersShoot » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:18 am

Edwards I think is better than wiggs at just about every aspect offensively, from ball handling, to shooting, finishing..while wiggs is a better defender
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#66 » by vagelis » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:44 am

FNQ wrote:It'll be this way forever.. last year, when W's fans told the GB how good Wiggins was on defense.. first we were homers, there's no way its true, Wiggins is still playing lazy (lol)... Then after it was maintained, it was "he always does this, he'll quit eventually".. then it became how Kerr was catering to him by keeping him on-ball (he was splitting that assignment with Oubre until Oubre got hurt)..



I think you do something similar about Wiggins offense

FNQ wrote:Yup. Fans yell about why he doesn't take it to the rack always, and all that.. but as someone else mentioned here, his handles are terrible. His counter moves arent good either, just wait for the spin move. He always seems to be surprised someone is in his way when he spins. And it almost never works.



I don't think that his handles are terrible and he has a lot of ways to score the ball.
Wiggins is a good 2way player not only defense. This couldn't be true for a player with 19.5 ppg career average
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#67 » by FNQ » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:50 am

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FNQ wrote:It'll be this way forever.. last year, when W's fans told the GB how good Wiggins was on defense.. first we were homers, there's no way its true, Wiggins is still playing lazy (lol)... Then after it was maintained, it was "he always does this, he'll quit eventually".. then it became how Kerr was catering to him by keeping him on-ball (he was splitting that assignment with Oubre until Oubre got hurt)..



I think you do something similar about Wiggins offense

FNQ wrote:Yup. Fans yell about why he doesn't take it to the rack always, and all that.. but as someone else mentioned here, his handles are terrible. His counter moves arent good either, just wait for the spin move. He always seems to be surprised someone is in his way when he spins. And it almost never works.



I don't think that his handles are terrible and he has a lot of ways to score the ball.
Wiggins is a good 2way player not only defense. This couldn't be true for a player with 19.5 ppg career average


He dribbled the ball off his hamstring tonight when no one was near him. He dribbles far away from his body. He doesnt win anything with his handles, he wins with a strong first step and exceptionally long body

He can straight line drive, and he can contort and finish with contact. When he dribbles too much he gets into trouble. He's a limited offensive player, where you mostly only want him taking open jumpers, and otherwise trying to drive to the rim. However he's unable to counter on those drives. That's just a fact, and I know you stan him and must be loving the past couple seasons, but if he were truly a good offensive player, he'd probably be worth his contract. He's ok, and he's in a place that really helps him focus on the things he's good at. Otherwise a 20ppg player who plays good defense would be absolutely worth a max deal..
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#68 » by vagelis » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:06 am

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FNQ wrote:It'll be this way forever.. last year, when W's fans told the GB how good Wiggins was on defense.. first we were homers, there's no way its true, Wiggins is still playing lazy (lol)... Then after it was maintained, it was "he always does this, he'll quit eventually".. then it became how Kerr was catering to him by keeping him on-ball (he was splitting that assignment with Oubre until Oubre got hurt)..



I think you do something similar about Wiggins offense

FNQ wrote:Yup. Fans yell about why he doesn't take it to the rack always, and all that.. but as someone else mentioned here, his handles are terrible. His counter moves arent good either, just wait for the spin move. He always seems to be surprised someone is in his way when he spins. And it almost never works.



I don't think that his handles are terrible and he has a lot of ways to score the ball.
Wiggins is a good 2way player not only defense. This couldn't be true for a player with 19.5 ppg career average


He dribbled the ball off his hamstring tonight when no one was near him. He dribbles far away from his body. He doesnt win anything with his handles, he wins with a strong first step and exceptionally long body

He can straight line drive, and he can contort and finish with contact. When he dribbles too much he gets into trouble. He's a limited offensive player, where you mostly only want him taking open jumpers, and otherwise trying to drive to the rim. However he's unable to counter on those drives. That's just a fact, and I know you stan him and must be loving the past couple seasons, but if he were truly a good offensive player, he'd probably be worth his contract. He's ok, and he's in a place that really helps him focus on the things he's good at. Otherwise a 20ppg player who plays good defense would be absolutely worth a max deal..



I don't agree with you, he is nothing but limited in offense.
He just is used a little bit less with the Warriors because they have the big player Steph Curry

He has a lot of moves and his handles are good enough. All the players have bad moments in a game.
Wiggins with only one turnover and 25 pts tonight. It is not possible that a player will not have a bad moment in a game. Don't remember only the negatives about his offense.

As about the contract I think he has the time to prove that he worths a big contract again


Please watch the following video from his last Timberwolves season when he had the ball in his hands.

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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#69 » by LilLeeroy » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:39 am

Why are so many people **** on Wiggins in here? Right now he is scoring more than Edwards per 36 while taking 2.5 fewer shots.
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Post#70 » by vagelis » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:42 am

Wiggins first in the league in points per touch(0.45ppt) for players who average more than 19 points and have played more than 5 games.


https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=POINTS*G*18:GP*G*5&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

So, it is obvious that he can score more than his 19.4ppg if he continues to be aggressive and gets even more touches from the team(42 touches per game right now, which is a low number)
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#71 » by John Murdoch » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:50 am

I still jerk to Wiggins HS mixtape ngl
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#72 » by whatisacenter » Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:03 am

LilLeeroy wrote:Why are so many people **** on Wiggins in here? Right now he is scoring more than Edwards per 36 while taking 2.5 fewer shots.

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Wiggins is defending better and is more efficient on offense than Edwards. As a Warriors' fan I have no problem with his motor and ambition. Edwards has nice highlights, is a good young talent and I am happy for the Wolves to have him.
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Post#73 » by righterwriter » Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:11 am

He would easily average 25 ppg as a #1 option on most non-playoff teams. If he had a perfect handle he could average 30ppg. Not sure why him not being perfect in every aspect makes him a limited offensive player in the eyes of some people.

The irony of Wiggins and him having "one of the worst contracts in the league" (as many fans have said here) is that he will almost definitely get somewhere between $25-30M/yr on his next contract.

A 6'7 wing who scores 20+ppg, plays lockdown D, shoots efficiently, and is an integral part of one of the best teams in the league, especially when they are only 28 years old like Wiggins, will be in high demand.
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Post#74 » by Kurt Heimlich » Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:30 am

LilLeeroy wrote:Why are so many people **** on Wiggins in here? Right now he is scoring more than Edwards per 36 while taking 2.5 fewer shots.


Former 1st overall pick, CANDADIAN (see Raptor/Canadian fan participation status on this forum) and the max contract he signed years ago are enormous contributors. He's a pretty ok NBA player and not a terrible player by any means. But he's not as good as his draft position, enormous guaranteed salary, nor early career hype (i.e. "Maple Jordan" lmfao) have lead the masses to believe.
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Post#75 » by vagelis » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:35 am

This is from the last game against Portland.
Wiggins head to the rim without even trying.
The case with him is that he does not showcase his athleticism. I think if he goes full trying he can jump a lot higher than the rim.

I want him to take part in a dunk contest for one single time. If he becomes an all star this year it maybe is the time

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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#76 » by FNQ » Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:02 am

vagelis wrote:
FNQ wrote:
vagelis wrote:

I think you do something similar about Wiggins offense




I don't think that his handles are terrible and he has a lot of ways to score the ball.
Wiggins is a good 2way player not only defense. This couldn't be true for a player with 19.5 ppg career average


He dribbled the ball off his hamstring tonight when no one was near him. He dribbles far away from his body. He doesnt win anything with his handles, he wins with a strong first step and exceptionally long body

He can straight line drive, and he can contort and finish with contact. When he dribbles too much he gets into trouble. He's a limited offensive player, where you mostly only want him taking open jumpers, and otherwise trying to drive to the rim. However he's unable to counter on those drives. That's just a fact, and I know you stan him and must be loving the past couple seasons, but if he were truly a good offensive player, he'd probably be worth his contract. He's ok, and he's in a place that really helps him focus on the things he's good at. Otherwise a 20ppg player who plays good defense would be absolutely worth a max deal..



I don't agree with you, he is nothing but limited in offense.
He just is used a little bit less with the Warriors because they have the big player Steph Curry

He has a lot of moves and his handles are good enough. All the players have bad moments in a game.
Wiggins with only one turnover and 25 pts tonight. It is not possible that a player will not have a bad moment in a game. Don't remember only the negatives about his offense.

As about the contract I think he has the time to prove that he worths a big contract again


Please watch the following video from his last Timberwolves season when he had the ball in his hands.



We've saw when he's used more. Its how he became known as the guy with the worst contract in the league.

If you and others want to live in a world where Wiggins is now underutilized, and not put into an incredibly beneficial situation where he's surrounded by the best shooter in the world, another quality shooter, and a lot of BBIQ players who keep the ball moving.. feel free. But don't put up highlight videos and pretend he's being held back in some way.

He's a poor ballhandler, which is why his face-up dribbling usually involves him protecting the ball behind him and taking a fadeaway. He can kill ball movement with his pointless fakes that allow the defense to recover. He has no counter moves on drives. And all that is fine because on this team, we minimize these things. Curry and Poole's presence opens up huge driving lanes. The fact that we have 3 people in the SL that handle ahead of him makes it so he doesnt have to touch the ball as much.

I'm not repeating something about Wiggins' reputation from 4 years ago. I'm talking about things in the present, from actually watching the games. If you want to lump that in with people calling him lazy and unmotivated, thats your call. But I feel like I've been pretty fair to the guy since he got here, not someone who has stanned him forever or changed his opinion of him because the jersey changed.
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Re: Is Anthony Edwards just Wiggins with a motor & ambition ? 

Post#77 » by Badly Browned » Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:43 am

Don't really see the comparison between Ant and Wiggins, except for they were both #1 picks that played for the Wolves.

Anyways, like many others have said here already, I'd say Wiggins was/is held back by a poorer than expected off-hand finishing ability and poorer than expected handle, and that's something that's been there since he was a draft prospect.

He's not a #1 guy on offense because his handles limit his vision/passing, which limit his ability to be a playmaker. But now on the Warriors as a #3-#4 guy, he's been able to cut down on inefficient mid-range jumpers, and unsurprisingly is posting his most efficient scoring season so far.

There's maybe still some minor improvement to be had from Wiggins, I think I've seen more left-hand finishes from Wiggins already this year compared to his last 1.5 years with GSW, but I don't expect his handle to dramatically improve at this point in his career.
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Post#78 » by SpreeS » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:30 am

He is perfect for his role. Very good fit to Curry and Green
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Post#79 » by Quentin » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:24 pm

LilLeeroy wrote:Why are so many people **** on Wiggins in here? Right now he is scoring more than Edwards per 36 while taking 2.5 fewer shots.


A guy with 8 years behind him in the nba is scoring a little more than a 20 year old? Wow. Why not compare their second years instead? Then also look at R,A,S.
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Post#80 » by michaelm » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:53 pm

Quentin wrote:
LilLeeroy wrote:Why are so many people **** on Wiggins in here? Right now he is scoring more than Edwards per 36 while taking 2.5 fewer shots.


A guy with 8 years behind him in the nba is scoring a little more than a 20 year old? Wow. Why not compare their second years instead? Then also look at R,A,S.

Take it up with the OP.

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