Can you have a winning team but be unwatchable ?

[bearadonisdna]

Every wan wants a winning team.
Mostly for entertainment purposes .
But your team played in a way that wasn’t entertaining .
Maybe it’s lame and weak but you win .
Is this possible ?

[Phreak50]

Harden at his peak. We've seen it.

[bearadonisdna]

Harden at his peak. We've seen it.

Ok there’s an example .
Right now I won’t acknowledge or refute it for fairness sake .

But given that this is a reality .
What is the responsibility as a fan ?
Are they wrong to not watch ?
Are they wrong to want changes ?
Should a fan bear and take it ?
Does winning counteract style ?
Integrity is a big part of sports . If a team lacks integrity than it it easy to say they don’t deserve your fandom or however you would like to describe it .

Let’s say integrity isn’t breached , but now that I think of it , a lot of being unwatchable is because a line of integrity has been breached .

[Wolfgang630]

Duncan’s Spurs weren’t considered entertaining

[trickshot]

00 Spurs were disliked by masses/casuals and considered boring. Even on Rgm they weren't too popular. Fwiw don't agree with it.

[Sgt Major]

I hated the Warriors when they started winning and I still despise their style, because I cannot stand that much 3pt shooting.

[trickshot]

I hated the Warriors when they started winning and I still despise their style, because I cannot stand that much 3pt shooting.

IMO Warriors are as good a passing team as a shooting team. They use the same principles from the triangle and Pop's 14 Spurs. If they played the exact same but with midrange instead of 3s no one would hate it. Feel like there's this unfair notion they play like the Rockets. Outside last year where they had some really low IQ guys they don't chuck and many of their 3s generated are off of all the great team fundamentals that made the 90s Bulls, 10 Spurs and even the 80s Celtics great to watch.

[BloodNinja]

I hated the Warriors when they started winning and I still despise their style, because I cannot stand that much 3pt shooting.

IMO Warriors are as good a passing team as a shooting team. They use the same principles from the triangle and Pop's 14 Spurs. If they played the exact same but with midrange instead of 3s no one would hate it. Feel like there's this unfair notion they play like the Rockets. Outside last year where they had some really low IQ guys they don't chuck and many of their 3s generated are off of all the great team fundamentals that made the 90s Bulls, 10 Spurs and even the 80s Celtics great to watch.

GSW averaged 31.5 attempts per game in 2016 which was #1. They haven't been a top 3 shooting team (attempts) since that time. Only 3 teams this season are shooting fewer than 31.5 per game.

[Dutchball97]

I don't understand how you could be alright with midrange chucking but the moment they take two steps back it is suddenly an issue.

[bearadonisdna]

Ok we hear about a few teams : The key factor is what if this were your team . Your team being unwatchable .

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Harden rockets - So I’m guessing that the sticking points is that 1 man spamming the ball and also relying a majority on officiating .

There is a lot of reason why that would not be entertaining in the competitive world. You also playing a lot of positionless ball. Playing with 3-4 guards every possession .

On a scale of 1-10 I will put this at a 7 in watchability as a home fan. On a nights where the star is struggling it would be lower , on nights he is on that is topping at 9 or higher .

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Duncan’s Spurs-
Better known as the sterns . Of course other fans hated this , couldn’t watch . But what about a Spurs fan ? Fairly decent position basketball , favored by officiating . A team known for ball movement and fundamental play . The differentiator here is that it is championship level. Hard to determine that a home fan says a championship level team isn’t watchable .

Watchability - As a home fan I give an 8 +.

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Prime GSwarriors -
This one I understand as a neutral fan but as a home fan . As a home fan this stupid thing topping out at 10.
Once you got Durant and you see your team regress in the regular season etc . Sure that probably frustrating , drop watchability to an 8 or so but it basically a historically great team so generally as a home fan im sticking to 10.

[HabsAndDubs]

Doncic is one of the least watchable superstars to me. He’s undeniably great, but even if his Mavs were a top seed, those games would be so hard to watch.

[JN61]

Warriors basically. Front running and gloating.

[Jabroni Lames]

Van Gundy Knicks

[Sgt Major]

I hated the Warriors when they started winning and I still despise their style, because I cannot stand that much 3pt shooting.

IMO Warriors are as good a passing team as a shooting team. They use the same principles from the triangle and Pop's 14 Spurs. If they played the exact same but with midrange instead of 3s no one would hate it. Feel like there's this unfair notion they play like the Rockets. Outside last year where they had some really low IQ guys they don't chuck and many of their 3s generated are off of all the great team fundamentals that made the 90s Bulls, 10 Spurs and even the 80s Celtics great to watch.

They certainly are and were a great passing team, but I've always liked different styles more. I prefer the Spurs' version of basketball (from their golden Duncan years, of course).

[dk1115]

I'd find it really hard pressed to find someone outside Texas that wanted to watch the early 2000's Spurs. Great team, but holy crap. I couldn't watch them for four quarters.

I guess off topic, but I hated watching the SF Giants during the 2010's. If the other team ever scored 3 runs, it was an automatic loss.

[FinnTheHuman]

.500+, but boring offenses that I avoid watching right now are Jazz, Bucks, Heat, Knicks, Celtics, 76ers (holy **** refs stop giving Embiid 20+ FT's a night on every small contact that he has an exaggerated reaction to, games become literally 3 hours long). The most fun ones to me are Hornets, Bulls, Nuggets, Warriors, Clippers, Mavs, and ofc my Wolves.

And yea, Harden Rockets were unwatchable.

[Haldi]

I don't understand how you could be alright with midrange chucking but the moment they take two steps back it is suddenly an issue.

Its jealousy and its pathetic. They recognize that their superstars they loved just weren’t good enough to shoot that well from further out from any type of pass, pumpfake or off any dribble like todays players can. Most don’t even admit that todays 3 point shooters are all miles ahead of even guys like Bird, Miller or Mullin and they all think if Bird would have a green light today he would be doing all the same stepback 3s and pick and roll pops that we see today. Truth is there is a reason players back then only took 3s when they were absolutely wide open. Any coach in the 80s would’ve met Curry or Dame and wouldve gave them the greenest of lights too.

Go look at 90% of Birds 3s and there isnt a defender within like 10 feet of him. Miller was shooting with defenders closer to him closing in from being picked but he couldn’t shoot of the dribble like guys today. Now guys are shooting from several feet behind the line with a hand challenge, off any type of move and still hitting at almost the same percentages as bird. If you can’t understand that, its either a severe lack of basketball knowledge or simply like I said before, just pathetic jealousy.

[jehosafats]

.500+, but boring offenses that I avoid watching right now are Jazz, Bucks, Heat, Knicks, Celtics. The most fun ones to me are Hornets, Bulls, Nuggets, Warriors, Clippers, Mavs, and ofc my Wolves SUNS.

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[Sgt Major]

Europeans always liked the Spurs.

[durden_tyler]

Winning cures all. Even "bad" basketball