PHI/POR/SAC - everyone you think is involved, is involved

[VDT]

Lillard doesnt have this value. He is a 31 year old diminutive guard, whose stats have cratered this year (i expect him to improve somewhat but he is declining). Given his horrific contract and his age, you trade for Lillard only if you can become immediately a contender which doesnt happen here imo. The Blazes are not getting much value for him (if at all)) unless they find another team that needs to make a trade. Of course, they can keep him and pay him 50 mil to be out in the first round or miss the playoffs entirely.

[kuclas]

I feel like McCollum being moved needs to be apart of this trade/plan. It's peculiar that they would make this trade and keep him long-term.

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Teams are always looking for fits. Teams still want Simmons but don't want to gut their roster of their core player

Sac: Take any player except fox or haliburton
Portland: take anyone except Lillard (obviously take CJ cause Norm does 90% of what CJ already does)

I can go on and one. Even the Celtics were interested Simmons as long as it didn't involve Brown or Tatum.

At some point, Simmons has to get back on the court. Only so much longer he can fake this mental illness excuse. His mental illness is he is an entitled brat whose feeling are hurt and he thinks he's entitled to sit at home getting paid super max money like John Wall. Problem is Sixers are trying to tank and Simmons has even longer term contract than Wall.

Sixers aren't in a rush to trade Simmons. So he can sit at home and teams will will just sniff around seeing if a low ball offer will be accepted that makes their teams better without trading any core players.

It's just a weird dynamic we are in. No player on a competing team of Simmons age/all star experiences/length of contract has ever been moved for 30 cents on the dollar (which is what the Kings are offering in Hield/Barnes picks and Timberwolves (anyone except Edwards/towns). Portland offer of CJ plus maybe roco is around 60 cents on the dollar and probably will still be on the table at trade deadline). The spurs Murray plus picks isn't great either. Murray still can shoot a lick (30% 3 pointers) and he's taking much more shots this year.

I just think Simmons sits all year and gets trade in off season. Sixers don't care. Role player coming back from Portland/Sac are still going to make them lose likely in 2nd round. If they get lucky and Embiid goes supernova and not injured. Maybe they get to the Eastern Finals. But that's as far as they get. And that's due to Embiid player superstar level. Not due to players like Hield/Barnes/Cj on the Sixers.

[LightTheBeam]

I feel like McCollum being moved needs to be apart of this trade/plan. It's peculiar that they would make this trade and keep him long-term.

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Teams are always looking for fits. Teams still want Simmons but don't want to gut their roster of their core player

Sac: Take any player except fox or haliburton
Portland: take anyone except Lillard (obviously take CJ cause Norm does 90% of what CJ already does)

I can go on and one. Even the Celtics were interested Simmons as long as it didn't involve Brown or Tatum.

At some point, Simmons has to get back on the court. Only so much longer he can fake this mental illness excuse. His mental illness is he is an entitled brat whose feeling are hurt and he thinks he's entitled to sit at home getting paid super max money like John Wall. Problem is Sixers are trying to tank and Simmons has even longer term contract than Wall.

Sixers aren't in a rush to trade Simmons. So he can sit at home and teams will will just sniff around seeing if a low ball offer will be accepted that makes their teams better without trading any core players.

It's just a weird dynamic we are in. No player on a competing team of Simmons age/all star experiences/length of contract has ever been moved for 30 cents on the dollar (which is what the Kings are offering in Hield/Barnes picks and Timberwolves (anyone except Edwards/towns). Portland offer of CJ plus maybe roco is around 60 cents on the dollar and probably will still be on the table at trade deadline). The spurs Murray plus picks isn't great either. Murray still can shoot a lick (30% 3 pointers) and he's taking much more shots this year.

I just think Simmons sits all year and gets trade in off season. Sixers don't care. Role player coming back from Portland/Sac are still going to make them lose likely in 2nd round. If they get lucky and Embiid goes supernova and not injured. Maybe they get to the Eastern Finals. But that's as far as they get. And that's due to Embiid player superstar level. Not due to players like Hield/Barnes/Cj on the Sixers.

At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? Asking for a friend.

[JRoy]

If PHI is waiting for an offer they can’t refuse, that offer isn’t coming.

[GutUNC]

I feel like McCollum being moved needs to be apart of this trade/plan. It's peculiar that they would make this trade and keep him long-term.

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Teams are always looking for fits. Teams still want Simmons but don't want to gut their roster of their core player

Sac: Take any player except fox or haliburton
Portland: take anyone except Lillard (obviously take CJ cause Norm does 90% of what CJ already does)

I can go on and one. Even the Celtics were interested Simmons as long as it didn't involve Brown or Tatum.

At some point, Simmons has to get back on the court. Only so much longer he can fake this mental illness excuse. His mental illness is he is an entitled brat whose feeling are hurt and he thinks he's entitled to sit at home getting paid super max money like John Wall. Problem is Sixers are trying to tank and Simmons has even longer term contract than Wall.

Sixers aren't in a rush to trade Simmons. So he can sit at home and teams will will just sniff around seeing if a low ball offer will be accepted that makes their teams better without trading any core players.

It's just a weird dynamic we are in. No player on a competing team of Simmons age/all star experiences/length of contract has ever been moved for 30 cents on the dollar (which is what the Kings are offering in Hield/Barnes picks and Timberwolves (anyone except Edwards/towns). Portland offer of CJ plus maybe roco is around 60 cents on the dollar and probably will still be on the table at trade deadline). The spurs Murray plus picks isn't great either. Murray still can shoot a lick (30% 3 pointers) and he's taking much more shots this year.

I just think Simmons sits all year and gets trade in off season. Sixers don't care. Role player coming back from Portland/Sac are still going to make them lose likely in 2nd round. If they get lucky and Embiid goes supernova and not injured. Maybe they get to the Eastern Finals. But that's as far as they get. And that's due to Embiid player superstar level. Not due to players like Hield/Barnes/Cj on the Sixers.

At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? Asking for a friend.

"Low ball" is in the eye of the beholder of course, but going with "broken shot and super weak mentality" in lieu of "efficient but predictable 16 PPG with DPOY level defense and elite distribution" is kinda sorta telling on yourself.

No one's disputing his limitations, but making him sound like he can't play is just wasting a chance to have an honest discussion.

[kuclas]

I feel like McCollum being moved needs to be apart of this trade/plan. It's peculiar that they would make this trade and keep him long-term.

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Teams are always looking for fits. Teams still want Simmons but don't want to gut their roster of their core player

Sac: Take any player except fox or haliburton
Portland: take anyone except Lillard (obviously take CJ cause Norm does 90% of what CJ already does)

I can go on and one. Even the Celtics were interested Simmons as long as it didn't involve Brown or Tatum.

At some point, Simmons has to get back on the court. Only so much longer he can fake this mental illness excuse. His mental illness is he is an entitled brat whose feeling are hurt and he thinks he's entitled to sit at home getting paid super max money like John Wall. Problem is Sixers are trying to tank and Simmons has even longer term contract than Wall.

Sixers aren't in a rush to trade Simmons. So he can sit at home and teams will will just sniff around seeing if a low ball offer will be accepted that makes their teams better without trading any core players.

It's just a weird dynamic we are in. No player on a competing team of Simmons age/all star experiences/length of contract has ever been moved for 30 cents on the dollar (which is what the Kings are offering in Hield/Barnes picks and Timberwolves (anyone except Edwards/towns). Portland offer of CJ plus maybe roco is around 60 cents on the dollar and probably will still be on the table at trade deadline). The spurs Murray plus picks isn't great either. Murray still can shoot a lick (30% 3 pointers) and he's taking much more shots this year.

I just think Simmons sits all year and gets trade in off season. Sixers don't care. Role player coming back from Portland/Sac are still going to make them lose likely in 2nd round. If they get lucky and Embiid goes supernova and not injured. Maybe they get to the Eastern Finals. But that's as far as they get. And that's due to Embiid player superstar level. Not due to players like Hield/Barnes/Cj on the Sixers.

At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? Asking for a friend.

He needs to get back on the court for the sixers. It’s as plain as that. This isn’t a a harden or kyrie wirh 2 years left. It was 4 years. He plays or he sits and doesn’t get paid.

[LightTheBeam]

If PHI is waiting for an offer they can’t refuse, that offer isn’t coming.

Ya I've been hearing that Morey will hold out until he gets the offer he wants.

They feel Simmons is a star player, so they want a star back. Unfortunately, when stars ask out, the trading team never gets a star in return. Just look at the history of star players being trade recently.. Kawhi, AD, Harden, plus tons more. Those guys were all without a doubt more valuable than Simmons.

Its a bit of a crossroads. Those teams lost their stars and committed to a rebuild, where as Philly still has a really good team so they don't want a rebuilding package.

So you aren't getting a star. You don't want a rebuilding package. That leaves the team with a CP3 to the Lakers (Deal that almost happened) type of trade. Odom, Martin, Scola, Dragic. A handful of decent role players, but no stars.

I think that puts Philly about on par with Portland including CJ/Covington, a deal from Sac maybe including Barnes/Mitchell, the Pacers including Brogdan +.

But we also need to remember that based on the type of player Simmons is, a bunch of teams will not be interested at all.

Like you said pretty simply. If Philly is waiting for an offer they can't refuse, that offer isn't coming (save for another star demanding out). So sure, sit around let the situation get more and more toxic with new fines and requirements, I don't think any GM is changing their mind at this point.

[LightTheBeam]

Teams are always looking for fits. Teams still want Simmons but don't want to gut their roster of their core player

Sac: Take any player except fox or haliburton
Portland: take anyone except Lillard (obviously take CJ cause Norm does 90% of what CJ already does)

I can go on and one. Even the Celtics were interested Simmons as long as it didn't involve Brown or Tatum.

At some point, Simmons has to get back on the court. Only so much longer he can fake this mental illness excuse. His mental illness is he is an entitled brat whose feeling are hurt and he thinks he's entitled to sit at home getting paid super max money like John Wall. Problem is Sixers are trying to tank and Simmons has even longer term contract than Wall.

Sixers aren't in a rush to trade Simmons. So he can sit at home and teams will will just sniff around seeing if a low ball offer will be accepted that makes their teams better without trading any core players.

It's just a weird dynamic we are in. No player on a competing team of Simmons age/all star experiences/length of contract has ever been moved for 30 cents on the dollar (which is what the Kings are offering in Hield/Barnes picks and Timberwolves (anyone except Edwards/towns). Portland offer of CJ plus maybe roco is around 60 cents on the dollar and probably will still be on the table at trade deadline). The spurs Murray plus picks isn't great either. Murray still can shoot a lick (30% 3 pointers) and he's taking much more shots this year.

I just think Simmons sits all year and gets trade in off season. Sixers don't care. Role player coming back from Portland/Sac are still going to make them lose likely in 2nd round. If they get lucky and Embiid goes supernova and not injured. Maybe they get to the Eastern Finals. But that's as far as they get. And that's due to Embiid player superstar level. Not due to players like Hield/Barnes/Cj on the Sixers.

At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? Asking for a friend.

"Low ball" is in the eye of the beholder of course, but going with "broken shot and super weak mentality" in lieu of "efficient but predictable 16 PPG with DPOY level defense and elite distribution" is kinda sorta telling on yourself.

No one's disputing his limitations, but making him sound like he can't play is just wasting a chance to have an honest discussion.

I'm not making it seem like he can't play. He can and he is a good player. But hes not a superstar.

As I mentioned in my post above, Harden, AD, Kawhi were all undoubtedly better than Simmons. None of those guys returned a superstar.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Simmons will.

[Slacktard]

^I think the counter to Kawhi/AD/Harden is that all of those players were able to walk as free agents within 1 to 2 years and were very much impacting the return because they were indicating the teams they may be willing to sign with and stay at.

Simmons is signed for 4 years and it's very possible(if not probable) that the best player the Sixers get in a return in a Simmons trade may become a free agent before Simmons does. There's absolutely no question that the 'drama' involving Simmons is going to negatively impact his value, but it's also true that the team acquiring him would be getting control of him for a lot longer than any of those other players mentioned.

[LightTheBeam]

He needs to get back on the court for the sixers. It’s as plain as that. This isn’t a a harden or kyrie wirh 2 years left. It was 4 years. He plays or he sits and doesn’t get paid.

Even if he comes back he will sandbag and just hurt his value even more. I really don't see this as helping the team, its not going to increase his value, and he doesn't want to be there.

Listen I hate the way the league has become. Superstar players sign contracts and decide they don't want to honor them. Its an absolute sham. I hope the Sixers take a stand and say "either play or sit and waste years/money".

Unfortunately the precedent was set years and years ago and we know eventually the team will crack. Especially now when a player like Simmons can just fake mental health issues and continue to get paid.

[kuclas]

At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? Asking for a friend.

"Low ball" is in the eye of the beholder of course, but going with "broken shot and super weak mentality" in lieu of "efficient but predictable 16 PPG with DPOY level defense and elite distribution" is kinda sorta telling on yourself.

No one's disputing his limitations, but making him sound like he can't play is just wasting a chance to have an honest discussion.

I'm not making it seem like he can't play. He can and he is a good player. But hes not a superstar.

As I mentioned in my post above, Harden, AD, Kawhi were all undoubtedly better than Simmons. None of those guys returned a superstar.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Simmons will.

Contract length man. People keep forgetting the length of a players contract. Simmons had 4 years left. He’s under sixers control.

Harden had 2 year left. Same with kyrie. 4 vs 2 is a huge difference in terms of who has the leverage.

Leonard had one year left. Spurs had even less leverage.

Like I said. No player on competing team (raptors were not good when Vince got traded with 2.5 years left). Sixers are actually good when embiid plays 7-2 this season.

So combine with length of Simmons contract, his age and relatively healthy career (outside of the first year his foot where he could have played) and the back injury that’s all healed feb 2020 injury. and sixers not tanking. Why should they be in a rush to trade him for role players?

If Simmons had 2 years left. Yes. Different priority trying to trade him.

People fail to understand this. Simmons cannot just think he can sit at home and get paid. So he’s faked a mental illness and still getting fine for not even going on west coast road trip. He can huff and puff all he wants. He’s gonna to be broke in 1 year if he wants to play this game.

[LightTheBeam]

^I think the counter to Kawhi/AD/Harden is that all of those players were able to walk as free agents within 1 to 2 years and were very much impacting the return because they were indicating the teams they may be willing to sign with and stay at.

Simmons is signed for 4 years and it's very possible(if not probable) that the best player the Sixers get in a return in a Simmons trade may become a free agent before Simmons does. There's absolutely no question that the 'drama' involving Simmons is going to negatively impact his value, but it's also true that the team acquiring him would be getting control of him for a lot longer than any of those other players mentioned.

The other side of that coin is seeing what he is doing now. Even if hes locked up for 4 more years, that hasn't stopped him from sitting out for a 50 win team. So you want to convince franchises like Indiana, Minnesota, and Sacramento that he won't just do the same thing there? Maybe he comes in and plays for a year and does this exact same thing next year until he gets to LA.

Id argue that 1 year of any of those guys is worth more than 4 years of Simmons. It brought Toronto/LA a championship, and probably would have done the same for Brooklyn had they not been injured.

If Portland could trade CJ/Little/Simons/picks for prime Kawhi/AD they would immediately be a championship team. The same can't be said about trading for Simmons.

[JRoy]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Simmons.

His youth and contract length are definite positives for potential suitors. The amount of that contract is not.

It is my opinion that his trade value gets lower every day.

Morey must be hoping that some gm makes a trade to save his job and PHI gets more than seems to be consensus value. I dont see it the same way but time will tell.

[LightTheBeam]

"Low ball" is in the eye of the beholder of course, but going with "broken shot and super weak mentality" in lieu of "efficient but predictable 16 PPG with DPOY level defense and elite distribution" is kinda sorta telling on yourself.

No one's disputing his limitations, but making him sound like he can't play is just wasting a chance to have an honest discussion.

I'm not making it seem like he can't play. He can and he is a good player. But hes not a superstar.

As I mentioned in my post above, Harden, AD, Kawhi were all undoubtedly better than Simmons. None of those guys returned a superstar.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Simmons will.

Contract length man. People keep forgetting the length of a players contract. Simmons had 4 years left. He’s under sixers control.

Harden had 2 year left. Same with kyrie. 4 vs 2 is a huge difference in terms of who has the leverage.

Leonard had one year left. Spurs had even less leverage.

Like I said. No player on competing team (raptors were not good when Vince got traded with 2.5 years left). Sixers are actually good when embiid plays 7-2 this season.

So combine with length of Simmons contract, his age and relatively healthy career (outside of the first year his foot where he could have played) and the back injury that’s all healed feb 2020 injury. and sixers not tanking. Why should they be in a rush to trade him for role players?

If Simmons had 2 years left. Yes. Different priority trying to trade him.

People fail to understand this. Simmons cannot just think he can sit at home and get paid. So he’s faked a mental illness and still getting fine for not even going on west coast road trip. He can huff and puff all he wants. He’s gonna to be broke in 1 year if he wants to play this game.

View my post above

But to sum it up. Trading for those players makes you a championship contender. Trading for Simmons does not.

We will see about going broke. I saw the anonymous "sources" report as well. Even if its true, he apparently has 30+ million dollars of real estate and no longer wants to be in Philly. If he really wants to hold out he could easily last the rest of his life on that money.

[kuclas]

I'm not making it seem like he can't play. He can and he is a good player. But hes not a superstar.

As I mentioned in my post above, Harden, AD, Kawhi were all undoubtedly better than Simmons. None of those guys returned a superstar.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Simmons will.

Contract length man. People keep forgetting the length of a players contract. Simmons had 4 years left. He’s under sixers control.

Harden had 2 year left. Same with kyrie. 4 vs 2 is a huge difference in terms of who has the leverage.

Leonard had one year left. Spurs had even less leverage.

Like I said. No player on competing team (raptors were not good when Vince got traded with 2.5 years left). Sixers are actually good when embiid plays 7-2 this season.

So combine with length of Simmons contract, his age and relatively healthy career (outside of the first year his foot where he could have played) and the back injury that’s all healed feb 2020 injury. and sixers not tanking. Why should they be in a rush to trade him for role players?

If Simmons had 2 years left. Yes. Different priority trying to trade him.

People fail to understand this. Simmons cannot just think he can sit at home and get paid. So he’s faked a mental illness and still getting fine for not even going on west coast road trip. He can huff and puff all he wants. He’s gonna to be broke in 1 year if he wants to play this game.

View my post above

But to sum it up. Trading for those players makes you a championship contender. Trading for Simmons does not.

We will see about going broke. I saw the anonymous "sources" report as well. Even if its true, he apparently has 30+ million dollars of real estate and no longer wants to be in Philly. If he really wants to hold out he could easily last the rest of his life on that money.

Sixers problems are last 2 minutes of playoff games. I’ve watched everything single of their playoff games the last 4 season.

Look at the most recent hawks series. It’s failure of execution in the last 90 seconds in 1 possession games.

Same with even the Celtics 2018 and 2020 (0-4 sweep). Sixers simply do not execute with secondary iso scorer as embiid is out of gas end of the game. They did have that in jimmy butler in 2019 (butler game typing layup before Leonard shot)

But they simply need iso scorer to off set embiid. It’s tricky. Some people think cj can be that iso scorer. But the way teams pick on bad defenders (jj reddick and Seth curry) with sixers. It’s a catch-22. Cj would get picked on as well.

And yes. Simmons would go broke sooner than later. Look at his lifestyle. His cars. His houses. We have seen numerous nba players go broke who made tons of money. A Walker of Celtics. Spewell etc.
he’s made 80 million so far? Rookie contract plus one year of 30 million. Taxes equals half. That’s 40 million post tax.

Now factor in how much he spends a month. Gonna be at least 500k maybe 1 million a month.

[Slacktard]

^I think the counter to Kawhi/AD/Harden is that all of those players were able to walk as free agents within 1 to 2 years and were very much impacting the return because they were indicating the teams they may be willing to sign with and stay at.

Simmons is signed for 4 years and it's very possible(if not probable) that the best player the Sixers get in a return in a Simmons trade may become a free agent before Simmons does. There's absolutely no question that the 'drama' involving Simmons is going to negatively impact his value, but it's also true that the team acquiring him would be getting control of him for a lot longer than any of those other players mentioned.

The other side of that coin is seeing what he is doing now. Even if hes locked up for 4 more years, that hasn't stopped him from sitting out for a 50 win team. So you want to convince franchises like Indiana, Minnesota, and Sacramento that he won't just do the same thing there? Maybe he comes in and plays for a year and does this exact same thing next year until he gets to LA.

Id argue that 1 year of any of those guys is worth more than 4 years of Simmons. It brought Toronto/LA a championship, and probably would have done the same for Brooklyn had they not been injured.

If Portland could trade CJ/Little/Simons/picks for prime Kawhi/AD they would immediately be a championship team. The same can't be said about trading for Simmons.

But what you're saying isn't how most franchises who are NOT either FA destination franchises or FA "city destinations" think.

Yea. You had Toronto go for it knowing they may very likely only be getting 1 year of Leonard...
but who went after AD? The Lakers. Because he wanted to be there and they knew they could sign him.
Who went after Harden? The Nets. Because they knew he wanted to go there and believed they could sign him.

Franchises in those cities that are not destinations don't really have the luxury to 'go for it' for 1 year and then set their franchise back for years afterwards knowing they already are unlikely to attract stars and becoming a LOSING/non-contender is only going to make it even worse trying to get that 2nd/3rd tier FA who they have to max out anyway just to get there.

and NO TEAM is trading for Ben Simmons without first getting permission from the Sixers to talk to Ben Simmons agent and believing he has every intention of playing for them.

[VDT]

Like you said pretty simply. If Philly is waiting for an offer they can't refuse, that offer isn't coming (save for another star demanding out). So sure, sit around let the situation get more and more toxic with new fines and requirements, I don't think any GM is changing their mind at this point.

Ding ding.

That's the plan all along.

The Sixers are looking for a trade that will improve them, they dont care about Simmons trade demand.

[GutUNC]

At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? Asking for a friend.

"Low ball" is in the eye of the beholder of course, but going with "broken shot and super weak mentality" in lieu of "efficient but predictable 16 PPG with DPOY level defense and elite distribution" is kinda sorta telling on yourself.

No one's disputing his limitations, but making him sound like he can't play is just wasting a chance to have an honest discussion.

I'm not making it seem like he can't play. He can and he is a good player. But hes not a superstar.

As I mentioned in my post above, Harden, AD, Kawhi were all undoubtedly better than Simmons. None of those guys returned a superstar.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Simmons will.

I never mentioned anything about a superstar return. And neither did you when you said "At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? "Ain't nothing about a superstar return in there so you're just moving the goalposts. Moving them to a football field 3 towns over.

[LightTheBeam]

"Low ball" is in the eye of the beholder of course, but going with "broken shot and super weak mentality" in lieu of "efficient but predictable 16 PPG with DPOY level defense and elite distribution" is kinda sorta telling on yourself.

No one's disputing his limitations, but making him sound like he can't play is just wasting a chance to have an honest discussion.

I'm not making it seem like he can't play. He can and he is a good player. But hes not a superstar.

As I mentioned in my post above, Harden, AD, Kawhi were all undoubtedly better than Simmons. None of those guys returned a superstar.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Simmons will.

I never mentioned anything about a superstar return. And neither did you when you said "At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? "Ain't nothing about a superstar return in there so you're just moving the goalposts. Moving them to a football field 3 towns over.

Maybe you specifically haven't. But every post I've seen involving CJ, Barnes, Brogdan, Atlanta young guys, Sexton, immediately gets shot down.

Here is the way I see it man..

Warriors - No interest, they are rolling and Draymond does what they would want out of Simmons but has the chemistry. - Out
Suns - Not trading Booker, CP3, Ayton - out
Jazz - Not moving Gobert/Mitchell. - Out
Clippers - Not trading Kawhi/PG13 - out
Mavs - not trading Luka - out
Blazers - not trading Dame - out
Wolves - not trading Edwards - out
Lakers - not moving LBJ/AD - Out
Grizz - not moving JA
Nugs - not moving Jokic - out
Kings - So far not willing to move Fox/Hali - Out
Thunder - Not moving SGA - out
Spurs - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out
Pelicans - Not moving Zion. Simmons may be a bad fit with him, so Ingram is questionable - maybe?
Rockets - Not moving Green - Out

Nets - not moving Kyrie/Harden/KD - Out
Heat - Not moving Herro/Bam/Butler - out
Wizards - Not moving Beal - Out
Bulls - Not a fit - out
Bucks - not moving the top 3 - out
Hornets - not a fit with Melo - out
Knicks - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out
Hawks - Not moving Trae/Collins - out
Cavs - not moving Mobley - out
Celtics - Not moving Brown/Tatum - out
Raptors - Too much overlap with Barnes - out
Pacers - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out
Pistons - Not moving Cade - out
Magic - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out

Thats every team in the NBA. I'm just curious. I've seen Philly fans shoot down every offer. Other than asking for a superstar (Beal, Lillard). So what kind of offer not including a superstar do you accept? I'd love to get more insight and learn.

[GutUNC]

I'm not making it seem like he can't play. He can and he is a good player. But hes not a superstar.

As I mentioned in my post above, Harden, AD, Kawhi were all undoubtedly better than Simmons. None of those guys returned a superstar.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Simmons will.

I never mentioned anything about a superstar return. And neither did you when you said "At what point do low ball offers become actual value for a guy with a broken shot and a super weak mentality? "Ain't nothing about a superstar return in there so you're just moving the goalposts. Moving them to a football field 3 towns over.

Maybe you specifically haven't. But every post I've seen involving CJ, Barnes, Brogdan, Atlanta young guys, Sexton, immediately gets shot down.

Here is the way I see it man..

Warriors - No interest, they are rolling and Draymond does what they would want out of Simmons but has the chemistry. - Out
Suns - Not trading Booker, CP3, Ayton - out
Jazz - Not moving Gobert/Mitchell. - Out
Clippers - Not trading Kawhi/PG13 - out
Mavs - not trading Luka - out
Blazers - not trading Dame - out
Wolves - not trading Edwards - out
Lakers - not moving LBJ/AD - Out
Grizz - not moving JA
Nugs - not moving Jokic - out
Kings - So far not willing to move Fox/Hali - Out
Thunder - Not moving SGA - out
Spurs - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out
Pelicans - Not moving Zion. Simmons may be a bad fit with him, so Ingram is questionable - maybe?
Rockets - Not moving Green - Out

Nets - not moving Kyrie/Harden/KD - Out
Heat - Not moving Herro/Bam/Butler - out
Wizards - Not moving Beal - Out
Bulls - Not a fit - out
Bucks - not moving the top 3 - out
Hornets - not a fit with Melo - out
Knicks - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out
Hawks - Not moving Trae/Collins - out
Cavs - not moving Mobley - out
Celtics - Not moving Brown/Tatum - out
Raptors - Too much overlap with Barnes - out
Pacers - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out
Pistons - Not moving Cade - out
Magic - Seems like nothing interests Philly from here - out

Thats every team in the NBA. I'm just curious. I've seen Philly fans shoot down every offer. Other than asking for a superstar (Beal, Lillard). So what kind of offer not including a superstar do you accept? I'd love to get more insight and learn.

You're acting as if they're all being shot down because they're simply not good enough though (or being shot down at all), that's the disconnect.

CJ - not good enough to get them over the top, a negative value contract which removes any flexibility you have to build for the entirety of his and Tobias' contract

Barnes - even you would admit that's not a comparable value

Brogdon - that was actually begrudgingly accepted on the PHI board when it was him, Levert and a 1st. No longer an option though.

Atlanta young guys - they can come up with commensurate value if it's the right guys, but it has to come through 3-4 players which means a 3rd team has to be involved. Bogdanovic/Huerter bumping existing guys out of the rotation is a marginal improvement and you're cutting 2-3 guys you don't want to.

Sexton - 1 year left before he would have (prior to injury) had to have been overpaid. Obviously also no longer an option.


I can't speak as Morey but in my mind the deal to make is for a decent win-now wing and as many picks as you can get from a team who's not a playoff team. But those picks would then need to be re-routed to another team for the win now guy and since Deal A isn't going anywhere, there's no need to swing that now until you have Deal B in the holster. In the mean time, you hope against hope that a Lillard/Beal type asks out and is attainable, which happens once or twice a year.