Two Super Max extensions at the end of the season?

[MrDollarBills]

How many teams willing to give Kyrie max contract without guarantee he won't go mia next min?

I honestly think if Kyrie doesn't come back this season, or the mandate extends into next season, his career is effectively over. You're not paying out millions of dollars to someone who is a flight risk at any time. He had his issues early on last season, and while it is fine for him to say "hey, I'm not well I need some time", for all we know, the team was blind sided by it and that didn't sit well with ownership...nor should it. Calvin Ridley of the Atlanta Falcons had to step away this season due to mental health, but it didn't cause a firestorm because he informed the team about it and kept them in the loop, and he announced to fans that he simply needed time for his mental well being. No one has an issue with that. But thinking back to last year, when you're minutes away from game time and the coach admits that he has no idea what is going on, that is problematic, and going rogue is a reoccurring issue with Irving which predates his tenure as a Net.

Prok keeps saying it's all gravy over in Brooklyn between the team and Kyrie, but I highly doubt that. Especially when it comes to Joe Tsai and Sean Marks. Kyrie had allegedly told them that he was going to get vaccinated and he never showed up for his appointment. Joe Tsai is paying this guy six figures every time the Nets are on the road to sit at home. I don't care what anyone says, no one will be happy paying someone money to not provide their services to them. If Kyrie truly did say that he was getting vaccinated and reneged, that is about as unprofessional as it gets.

If he sits out the entire season, he's done for not only here, but probably around the league.

[Stone]

How many teams willing to give Kyrie max contract without guarantee he won't go mia next min?

I honestly think if Kyrie doesn't come back this season, or the mandate extends into next season, his career is effectively over. You're not paying out millions of dollars to someone who is a flight risk at any time. He had his issues early on last season, and while it is fine for him to say "hey, I'm not well I need some time", for all we know, the team was blind sided by it and that didn't sit well with ownership...nor should it. Calvin Ridley of the Atlanta Falcons had to step away this season due to mental health, but it didn't cause a firestorm because he informed the team about it and kept them in the loop, and he announced to fans that he simply needed time for his mental well being. No one has an issue with that. But thinking back to last year, when you're minutes away from game time and the coach admits that he has no idea what is going on, that is problematic, and going rogue is a reoccurring issue with Irving which predates his tenure as a Net.

Prok keeps saying it's all gravy over in Brooklyn between the team and Kyrie, but I highly doubt that. Especially when it comes to Joe Tsai and Sean Marks. Kyrie had allegedly told them that he was going to get vaccinated and he never showed up for his appointment. Joe Tsai is paying this guy six figures every time the Nets are on the road to sit at home. I don't care what anyone says, no one will be happy paying someone money to not provide their services to them. If Kyrie truly did say that he was getting vaccinated and reneged, that is about as unprofessional as it gets.

If he sits out the entire season, he's done for not only here, but probably around the league.

For all we know, this could be a mental health situation. For a person who is "Fighting for a cause" he is pretty quiet. It just does not add up.

It also could be a situation in which he is a new Father and wants some peace and quiet and family time. Don't forget, he has a ton of money and has been doing this his entire life. He could be sick and tired of the attention and the questions and everything else that comes along with being an NBA superstar. No matter how you look at it, it is still a job, and how many of us here if they had they money wouldn't say **** this, I come back when I feel like it. Which is my guess and why I believe he will be back after the all star break or sooner.

[GTR11]

How many teams willing to give Kyrie max contract without guarantee he won't go mia next min?

I honestly think if Kyrie doesn't come back this season, or the mandate extends into next season, his career is effectively over. You're not paying out millions of dollars to someone who is a flight risk at any time. He had his issues early on last season, and while it is fine for him to say "hey, I'm not well I need some time", for all we know, the team was blind sided by it and that didn't sit well with ownership...nor should it. Calvin Ridley of the Atlanta Falcons had to step away this season due to mental health, but it didn't cause a firestorm because he informed the team about it and kept them in the loop, and he announced to fans that he simply needed time for his mental well being. No one has an issue with that. But thinking back to last year, when you're minutes away from game time and the coach admits that he has no idea what is going on, that is problematic, and going rogue is a reoccurring issue with Irving which predates his tenure as a Net.

Prok keeps saying it's all gravy over in Brooklyn between the team and Kyrie, but I highly doubt that. Especially when it comes to Joe Tsai and Sean Marks. Kyrie had allegedly told them that he was going to get vaccinated and he never showed up for his appointment. Joe Tsai is paying this guy six figures every time the Nets are on the road to sit at home. I don't care what anyone says, no one will be happy paying someone money to not provide their services to them. If Kyrie truly did say that he was getting vaccinated and reneged, that is about as unprofessional as it gets.

If he sits out the entire season, he's done for not only here, but probably around the league.

For all we know, this could be a mental health situation. For a person who is "Fighting for a cause" he is pretty quiet. It just does not add up.

It also could be a situation in which he is a new Father and wants some peace and quiet and family time. Don't forget, he has a ton of money and has been doing this his entire life. He could be sick and tired of the attention and the questions and everything else that comes along with being an NBA superstar. No matter how you look at it, it is still a job, and how many of us here if they had they money wouldn't say **** this, I come back when I feel like it. Which is my guess and why I believe he will be back after the all star break or sooner.

You know what's funky about it?

1- he keeps quite while teammates and FO take heat. They keep saying we have no clue yet. One's Kyrie gets questioned, he goes out talking smack about different things.

2- if that was family or mental health issue why not say so to the one who needs to know. I'm pretty sure Nets org made it clear that we player oriented, players like Dudley, D.LO etc if anything saying so too. Furthermore he could've talked it out with his boy KD and let him figure it out.

3- How long will it take to understand that world moving towards vaccine mandate basically. No economy can handle hit they took last year.

[Prokorov]

1- he keeps quite while teammates and FO take heat. They keep saying we have no clue yet. One's Kyrie gets questioned, he goes out talking smack about different things.

His teammates were always in the loop. they didn't take the heat. they got a week of questions and its been mostly basketball since then. of course they dont have a clue, no decision has been made and its not their decision to make. KD said it, "im not comfortable telling anyone what to do in that regard, its a personal choice"

2- if that was family or mental health issue why not say so to the one who needs to know. I'm pretty sure Nets org made it clear that we player oriented, players like Dudley, D.LO etc if anything saying so too. Furthermore he could've talked it out with his boy KD and let him figure it out.

The team has known, going back to last year. KD/Caris confirmed this in his "personal" reasons missed games. Milsap just missed 3 games because his kid was born. Kyrie missed 3 for it last year. Kyrie doesnt owe it to anyone to make that reason public. the team knew, and it was excused.

3- How long will it take to understand that world moving towards vaccine mandate basically. No economy can handle hit they took last year.

it will never happen in my opinion. you just cant police peoples bodies like that. And the science really isnt there to make a mandate where you have to be vaccinated. the risk breakthough infection/infections/spread when 4/5 are vaccinated and that 5th person is tested daily, masked, and going through safety protocols is almost 0.

That is the problem. The world went back to work in 2021 BEFORE ANYONE WAS VACCINATED relying on testing, masks, and contact tracing. now, with 80% vaccinated its somehow a higher risk to do that for 1/5 of that population?

when the mandates are based on risk and science and not politics closer to 100% adherence will occur.

[GTR11]

1- he keeps quite while teammates and FO take heat. They keep saying we have no clue yet. One's Kyrie gets questioned, he goes out talking smack about different things.

His teammates were always in the loop. they didn't take the heat. they got a week of questions and its been mostly basketball since then. of course they dont have a clue, no decision has been made and its not their decision to make. KD said it, "im not comfortable telling anyone what to do in that regard, its a personal choice"

2- if that was family or mental health issue why not say so to the one who needs to know. I'm pretty sure Nets org made it clear that we player oriented, players like Dudley, D.LO etc if anything saying so too. Furthermore he could've talked it out with his boy KD and let him figure it out.

The team has known, going back to last year. KD/Caris confirmed this in his "personal" reasons missed games. Milsap just missed 3 games because his kid was born. Kyrie missed 3 for it last year. Kyrie doesnt owe it to anyone to make that reason public. the team knew, and it was excused.

3- How long will it take to understand that world moving towards vaccine mandate basically. No economy can handle hit they took last year.

it will never happen in my opinion. you just cant police peoples bodies like that. And the science really isnt there to make a mandate where you have to be vaccinated. the risk breakthough infection/infections/spread when 4/5 are vaccinated and that 5th person is tested daily, masked, and going through safety protocols is almost 0.

That is the problem. The world went back to work in 2021 BEFORE ANYONE WAS VACCINATED relying on testing, masks, and contact tracing. now, with 80% vaccinated its somehow a higher risk to do that for 1/5 of that population?

when the mandates are based on risk and science and not politics closer to 100% adherence will occur.

Unbelievable

[MrDollarBills]

How many teams willing to give Kyrie max contract without guarantee he won't go mia next min?

I honestly think if Kyrie doesn't come back this season, or the mandate extends into next season, his career is effectively over. You're not paying out millions of dollars to someone who is a flight risk at any time. He had his issues early on last season, and while it is fine for him to say "hey, I'm not well I need some time", for all we know, the team was blind sided by it and that didn't sit well with ownership...nor should it. Calvin Ridley of the Atlanta Falcons had to step away this season due to mental health, but it didn't cause a firestorm because he informed the team about it and kept them in the loop, and he announced to fans that he simply needed time for his mental well being. No one has an issue with that. But thinking back to last year, when you're minutes away from game time and the coach admits that he has no idea what is going on, that is problematic, and going rogue is a reoccurring issue with Irving which predates his tenure as a Net.

Prok keeps saying it's all gravy over in Brooklyn between the team and Kyrie, but I highly doubt that. Especially when it comes to Joe Tsai and Sean Marks. Kyrie had allegedly told them that he was going to get vaccinated and he never showed up for his appointment. Joe Tsai is paying this guy six figures every time the Nets are on the road to sit at home. I don't care what anyone says, no one will be happy paying someone money to not provide their services to them. If Kyrie truly did say that he was getting vaccinated and reneged, that is about as unprofessional as it gets.

If he sits out the entire season, he's done for not only here, but probably around the league.

For all we know, this could be a mental health situation. For a person who is "Fighting for a cause" he is pretty quiet. It just does not add up.

It also could be a situation in which he is a new Father and wants some peace and quiet and family time. Don't forget, he has a ton of money and has been doing this his entire life. He could be sick and tired of the attention and the questions and everything else that comes along with being an NBA superstar. No matter how you look at it, it is still a job, and how many of us here if they had they money wouldn't say **** this, I come back when I feel like it. Which is my guess and why I believe he will be back after the all star break or sooner.

If that is the case, more power to him but he should retire.

[MrDollarBills]

3- How long will it take to understand that world moving towards vaccine mandate basically. No economy can handle hit they took last year.

it will never happen in my opinion. you just cant police peoples bodies like that. And the science really isnt there to make a mandate where you have to be vaccinated. the risk breakthough infection/infections/spread when 4/5 are vaccinated and that 5th person is tested daily, masked, and going through safety protocols is almost 0.

That is the problem. The world went back to work in 2021 BEFORE ANYONE WAS VACCINATED relying on testing, masks, and contact tracing. now, with 80% vaccinated its somehow a higher risk to do that for 1/5 of that population?

when the mandates are based on risk and science and not politics closer to 100% adherence will occur.

Just an FYI, with the news about the Omicron Covid-19 mutation strain causing federal travel bans, the Governor of NY has called for non emergency, elective surgical procedures to be cancelled, which is a sign that things are about to get tightened up again as we enter the winter. I don't think we will see any mandates altered or lifted until we get a full grasp on just how bad this new strain is.

The cautiously good news is, based on the limited data coming from South Africa, it appears that the cases of vaccinated patients that contracted the omicron strain seem to be ranging from mild to asymptomatic. But the sample size is really small, because the vaccination rate in South Africa is really bad.

[Prokorov]

it will never happen in my opinion. you just cant police peoples bodies like that. And the science really isnt there to make a mandate where you have to be vaccinated. the risk breakthough infection/infections/spread when 4/5 are vaccinated and that 5th person is tested daily, masked, and going through safety protocols is almost 0.

That is the problem. The world went back to work in 2021 BEFORE ANYONE WAS VACCINATED relying on testing, masks, and contact tracing. now, with 80% vaccinated its somehow a higher risk to do that for 1/5 of that population?

when the mandates are based on risk and science and not politics closer to 100% adherence will occur.

Just an FYI, with the news about the Omicron Covid-19 mutation strain causing federal travel bans, the Governor of NY has called for non emergency, elective surgical procedures to be cancelled, which is a sign that things are about to get tightened up again as we enter the winter. I don't think we will see any mandates altered or lifted until we get a full grasp on just how bad this new strain is.

The cautiously good news is, based on the limited data coming from South Africa, it appears that the cases of vaccinated patients that contracted the omicron strain seem to be ranging from mild to asymptomatic. But the sample size is really small, because the vaccination rate in South Africa is really bad.

ALL politically motivated mandates need to be modified or lifted. the science and data is there or being calculated. there is 0 reason not to go on science and data. The NY Mandate is dogsh*t. Biden's plan is much more science based.

[MrDollarBills]

Just an FYI, with the news about the Omicron Covid-19 mutation strain causing federal travel bans, the Governor of NY has called for non emergency, elective surgical procedures to be cancelled, which is a sign that things are about to get tightened up again as we enter the winter. I don't think we will see any mandates altered or lifted until we get a full grasp on just how bad this new strain is.

The cautiously good news is, based on the limited data coming from South Africa, it appears that the cases of vaccinated patients that contracted the omicron strain seem to be ranging from mild to asymptomatic. But the sample size is really small, because the vaccination rate in South Africa is really bad.

ALL politically motivated mandates need to be modified or lifted. the science and data is there or being calculated. there is 0 reason not to go on science and data. The NY Mandate is dogsh*t. Biden's plan is much more science based.

I think we need to wait and see what the data shows regarding this new strain before making any real conclusions. The NYC mandate is working as intended, as you noted, since a good chunk of the city got vaccinated because of it. I wouldn't necessarily call it politically motivated and more of a necessity considering how dangerous it would be if the city had vaccination rates on par with areas in Florida and Texas.

However, the idea that out of town players can play in Barclays and MSG while Kyrie cannot is absolutely absurd. DeBlasio is an idiot.

[HardenGoat]

It’s looking like the only way Kyrie is going to play for us is by getting vaccinated. This Omicron variant is more transmissible and right now the most effective tool we have in protecting ourselves is the vaccine. There’s no way the mandate is getting lifted in the face of this news. In fact things will likely get tighter and I see other states likely passing their own mandates if it spreads quickly. This is about protecting our health nothing more.

[Prokorov]

It’s looking like the only way Kyrie is going to play for us is by getting vaccinated. This Omicron variant is more transmissible and right now the most effective tool we have in protecting ourselves is the vaccine. There’s no way the mandate is getting lifted in the face of this news. In fact things will likely get tighter and I see other states likely passing their own mandates if it spreads quickly. This is about protecting our health nothing more.

The Mandate has to change. the science just doesnt back the mandate, which is politically motivated, not science motivated. A mandate needs to be in place. but not one that is so poorly put together with bias' and order that fly in the face of science.

.001% of vaccinated individuals are hospitalized.
.04% of non-vaccinated individuals are hospitalized.
.0003 chance of breakthrough infection from non-vaccinated to vaccinated

Risk for vaccinated individuals is .001% X .0003% that is basically 0.

risk for non vaccinated is .04%. that is approaching 0.

There is no reason testing + masks + contact tracing + quaratione is not an option for the non-vaccinated. it is why Biden's mandate has that as the bar, and not strict vaccine or go home rules.

Kyrie or not, the mandate is trash. and its going to get even uglier the longer the mandate is left as is. or court challenges will just continue to overturn pieces of it as we have seen in the 3 completed cases so far

[Prokorov]

Just an FYI, with the news about the Omicron Covid-19 mutation strain causing federal travel bans, the Governor of NY has called for non emergency, elective surgical procedures to be cancelled, which is a sign that things are about to get tightened up again as we enter the winter. I don't think we will see any mandates altered or lifted until we get a full grasp on just how bad this new strain is.

The cautiously good news is, based on the limited data coming from South Africa, it appears that the cases of vaccinated patients that contracted the omicron strain seem to be ranging from mild to asymptomatic. But the sample size is really small, because the vaccination rate in South Africa is really bad.

ALL politically motivated mandates need to be modified or lifted. the science and data is there or being calculated. there is 0 reason not to go on science and data. The NY Mandate is dogsh*t. Biden's plan is much more science based.

I think we need to wait and see what the data shows regarding this new strain before making any real conclusions. The NYC mandate is working as intended, as you noted, since a good chunk of the city got vaccinated because of it. I wouldn't necessarily call it politically motivated and more of a necessity considering how dangerous it would be if the city had vaccination rates on par with areas in Florida and Texas.

However, the idea that out of town players can play in Barclays and MSG while Kyrie cannot is absolutely absurd. DeBlasio is an idiot.

Yeah i mean new data should always affect the rules. as of now, its absurd that you can get daily testing + protocols and work

[drchaos]

If Kyrie comes back for the playoffs and balls out you pay the man.

[ecuhus1981]

Who are the top free agents next off-season

Harden - PO
Kyrie - PO
Westbrook - PO
Wall - PO
Beal - PO

Rest of them role players with salary less than 20m.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Lavine and Ayton will be hot commodities, they will both easily command more than $20mil per season. Dort could snag an insane offer sheet from a team desperate for wing defense. Miles Bridges, I may be forgetting a couple of others.

[MGrand15]

Kyrie at this point needs to decide if he actually wants to play NBA basketball. He might completely burn the bridge here with the Nets but he's so damn good - he'll get a few more chances.

Kyrie has gone missing from the team every season he's been a Net. Very very few teams in the league are putting up with that kind of stuff. The year before that he had a very rocky year with Boston. His last year in Cleveland he didn't talk to any of his teammates during the playoffs.

I think there's a legit chance he sees this break and realizes he's happier doing whatever he's doing now vs. being an NBA player.

He also won't be thrilled with his options if Tsai decides Kyrie isn't worth the trouble. If we're talking about good teams in big markets, I'm not sure who takes him on.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie at this point needs to decide if he actually wants to play NBA basketball. He might completely burn the bridge here with the Nets but he's so damn good - he'll get a few more chances.

Kyrie has gone missing from the team every season he's been a Net. Very very few teams in the league are putting up with that kind of stuff. The year before that he had a very rocky year with Boston. His last year in Cleveland he didn't talk to any of his teammates during the playoffs.

I think there's a legit chance he sees this break and realizes he's happier doing whatever he's doing now vs. being an NBA player.

He also won't be thrilled with his options if Tsai decides Kyrie isn't worth the trouble. If we're talking about good teams in big markets, I'm not sure who takes him on.

Who has the cap space for him?

I want the guy to come to his senses and return to the team, but I honestly think he's done.

[Suwanee]

Kyrie at this point needs to decide if he actually wants to play NBA basketball. He might completely burn the bridge here with the Nets but he's so damn good - he'll get a few more chances.

Kyrie has gone missing from the team every season he's been a Net. Very very few teams in the league are putting up with that kind of stuff. The year before that he had a very rocky year with Boston. His last year in Cleveland he didn't talk to any of his teammates during the playoffs.

I think there's a legit chance he sees this break and realizes he's happier doing whatever he's doing now vs. being an NBA player.

He also won't be thrilled with his options if Tsai decides Kyrie isn't worth the trouble. If we're talking about good teams in big markets, I'm not sure who takes him on.

Who has the cap space for him?

I want the guy to come to his senses and return to the team, but I honestly think he's done.

Right now it should be crystal clear that Kyrie and senses don’t come together.

[wco81]

Well since the end of November, Omicron wave has come and is subsiding in NY and NJ. The mandates are still there but Kyrie is back, playing road games. He affirmed that despite KD's injury, he still won't get vaccinated.

Now the team is struggling with KD out.

And there's talk that Harden wants out, maybe a sign and trade in the offseason. Nets and 76ers are supposedly talking trade before the deadline next week, involving Harden and Simmons.

Nets haven't given up on the season but they may have to trade Harden if they believe there's a strong chance Harden will walk if the Nets don't win a title this year.

Kyrie is playing well in the 11 games since he returned. If they trade Harden away, they will pretty much have to extend Kyrie?

What's the most likely scenario, both KI and JH are back next season or at least one of them is gone?

Will the Nets give two huge extensions in the offseason if they fall short of winning the chip this year? Like ECF and lose in 7 games or Finals and lose in 6 and 7, they would surely all run it back?

[Nebkreb11]

No chance in hell I'm Super Maxing (or signing any long-term deal) for Harden. He's already declining from his Houston days, and that will worsen. He doesn't stay in shape, he doesn't work to improve his game or change his game to adjust for declining athleticism. He's going to be an albatross contract for whoever gives him a max deal.

[wco81]

Well Nets don't have to worry about giving $200 million plus extension to Harden.

Is it more or less likely they extend Kyrie now?

The way things are going in NY State, they may yet get rid of the vaccine mandate in NYC.