Game 12: Rams at Packers - 3:25 - FOX

[MickeyDavis]

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[M-C-G]

Down our two best defensive players in ZSmith and Jaire. Down our two best corners. Down our two or three best O-lineman. Special teams has been a disaster. Props to everyone involved here... Gutey, LaFleur, Berry, and all the plug n play players we've acquired. But it all works because we have Aaron Rodgers. What are we sitting at record-wise with Jordan Love, 3-9, 2-10?

Hilarious if you actually believe this.

He has to put that in there, or he can't add the qualifier that the GM and management have done a really good job at doing their jobs, bringing in depth and finding some absolute gems that have become impact players. It would invalidate the 'incompetent and terrible management' labels used in the past.

A great example would be how many people complained about 'drafting a 3rd string running back' in AJ Dillon, but yesterday, even with the low YPC he was the difference in the win and loss. Our OL struggled, Aaron Jones couldn't get anything going and Dillon was a monster picking up tough yards. It is almost like quality depth in a violent game is important.

I'm still shocked that Douglas and Campbell were just 'off the street' type finds. They've earned a lot of money this offseason.

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[MoreTrife]

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Stating the obvious here but Devante is so so good. Probably my favorite receiver to watch in my lifetime. His footwork is how I picture mine to be as a kid on the pickup fields

[JimmyTheKid]

Down our two best defensive players in ZSmith and Jaire. Down our two best corners. Down our two or three best O-lineman. Special teams has been a disaster. Props to everyone involved here... Gutey, LaFleur, Berry, and all the plug n play players we've acquired. But it all works because we have Aaron Rodgers. What are we sitting at record-wise with Jordan Love, 3-9, 2-10?

Hilarious if you actually believe this.

He has to put that in there, or he can't add the qualifier that the GM and management have done a really good job at doing their jobs, bringing in depth and finding some absolute gems that have become impact players. It would invalidate the 'incompetent and terrible management' labels used in the past.

A great example would be how many people complained about 'drafting a 3rd string running back' in AJ Dillon, but yesterday, even with the low YPC he was the difference in the win and loss. Our OL struggled, Aaron Jones couldn't get anything going and Dillon was a monster picking up tough yards. It is almost like quality depth in a violent game is important.

I'm still shocked that Douglas and Campbell were just 'off the street' type finds. They've earned a lot of money this offseason.

I give credit where credit is due, lay blame when appropriate, and admit being wrong when I'm wrong. Just because Gutey and Berry have hit home runs with Butler and Campbell doesn't mean that Gutey didn't still bungle the Rodgers/Love thing. And I fully admit I was wrong about the AJ Dillon pick. Most Packers fans were.

But I would love to see where you guys have the Packers record-wise with all the same injuries and all the same games missed to COVID if opposing defenses had been game-planning for Jordan Love for 12 weeks instead of Aaron Rodgers. THIS should be hilarious.

[RRyder823]

Hilarious if you actually believe this.

He has to put that in there, or he can't add the qualifier that the GM and management have done a really good job at doing their jobs, bringing in depth and finding some absolute gems that have become impact players. It would invalidate the 'incompetent and terrible management' labels used in the past.

A great example would be how many people complained about 'drafting a 3rd string running back' in AJ Dillon, but yesterday, even with the low YPC he was the difference in the win and loss. Our OL struggled, Aaron Jones couldn't get anything going and Dillon was a monster picking up tough yards. It is almost like quality depth in a violent game is important.

I'm still shocked that Douglas and Campbell were just 'off the street' type finds. They've earned a lot of money this offseason.

I give credit where credit is due, lay blame when appropriate, and admit being wrong when I'm wrong. Just because Gutey and Berry have hit home runs with Butler and Campbell doesn't mean that Gutey didn't still bungle the Rodgers/Love thing. And I fully admit I was wrong about the AJ Dillon pick. Most Packers fans were.

But I would love to see where you guys have the Packers record-wise with all the same injuries and all the same games missed to COVID if opposing defenses had been game-planning for Jordan Love for 12 weeks instead of Aaron Rodgers. THIS should be hilarious.

Probably around .500 somewhere (FYI your record prediction is what was hilarious). Shocker that Rodgers is a better QB right now and they have a worse record starting a raw development QB in his 2nd season instead of Rodgers. No ****. What grand insight.

What you just did was what every God damn moron sports analyst has been doing by simply giving a backhanded compliment to the management while simultaneously saying the team would be garbage without Rodgers.



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[M-C-G]

But I would love to see where you guys have the Packers record-wise with all the same injuries and all the same games missed to COVID if opposing defenses had been game-planning for Jordan Love for 12 weeks instead of Aaron Rodgers. THIS should be hilarious.

I'd say we haven't seen enough to give a decent answer. Love showed some good and some bad in his start. So questions I would want to know, would MLF adjust his playcalling to not let his rookie get killed by blitz after blitz? Probably. Would we use the running game far more than we do now and we did in that game? Probably. Would Love make mistakes and be frustrating? Probably. Would he improve and would MLF play calling improve to suit his strength and weaknesses? Probably.

All that said, my guess would be a record of about 5-7. Wins against Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Washington, Seattle. I'd say minimum the defense did enough in those games to feel pretty good about. You could probably throw the Arizona game in there as a toss up given how good the defense and run game were.

[M-C-G]

Let's put the Rodgers/Gute saga aside for a second. How many GMs have as many good moves over the last 3 years?
Hired MLF
FA hits - Amos, Billy Turner, Z'darius, Preston, Campbell
Draft hits - Jaire Alexander, Savage, Jenkins, Myers, Newman (don't love him but he is a starter right now), Runyan, Valdez Scantling, Rashan Gary, Eric Stokes, AJ Dillon
Scrap heap - Rausal Douglas, Borquez, Lazard, Krys Barnes, Yosh Nijman

It might just be time to come to terms with he is one of the top GMs in the league. And if he is, maybe, just maybe if he is right about all those guys, he might be right about a guy named Jordan Love too. Just maybe.

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[Treebeard]

Let's put the Rodgers/Gute saga aside for a second. How many GMs have as many good moves over the last 3 years?
Hired MLF
FA hits - Amos, Billy Turner, Z'darius, Preston, Campbell
Draft hits - Jaire Alexander, Savage, Jenkins, Myers, Newman (don't love him but he is a starter right now), Runyan, Valdez Scantling, Rashan Gary, Eric Stokes, AJ Dillon
Scrap heap - Rausal Douglas, Borquez, Lazard, Krys Barnes, Yosh Nijman

It might just be time to come to terms with he is one of the top GMs in the league. And if he is, maybe, just maybe if he is right about all those guys, he might be right about a guy named Jordan Love too. Just maybe.

He's made some clunkers too, but not too many. I'll leave the Rogers/Front office shenanigans aside too.

Also important to consider, that during his drafting tenure, Gute has consistently been making most of his picks in the very late portions of each and every round. I know, I know, I know, the-draft-is-a-crapshoot and there are guarantees, blah, blah, blah: BUT, how has Gute done considerably better (IMO) than many of those GM's consistently picking considerably higher in each round for several years?.

[Ron Swanson]

The fact that you can point to like, 2-3 picks in 4 draft classes that actually meet the lowest definition of "bust" (Sternberger, Josh Jackson, and maybe Oren Burks?), should basically shut up any Gute slander. Add in that he's drafted some absolute Pro-Bowl level studs with his Day 1&2 picks (Savage, Alexander, Gary, Stokes, Jenkins) and, well...

[M-C-G]

Let's put the Rodgers/Gute saga aside for a second. How many GMs have as many good moves over the last 3 years?
Hired MLF
FA hits - Amos, Billy Turner, Z'darius, Preston, Campbell
Draft hits - Jaire Alexander, Savage, Jenkins, Myers, Newman (don't love him but he is a starter right now), Runyan, Valdez Scantling, Rashan Gary, Eric Stokes, AJ Dillon
Scrap heap - Rausal Douglas, Borquez, Lazard, Krys Barnes, Yosh Nijman

It might just be time to come to terms with he is one of the top GMs in the league. And if he is, maybe, just maybe if he is right about all those guys, he might be right about a guy named Jordan Love too. Just maybe.

He's made some clunkers too, but not too many. I'll leave the Rogers/Front office shenanigans aside too.

Also important to consider, that during his drafting tenure, Gute has consistently been making most of his picks in the very late portions of each and every round. I know, I know, I know, the-draft-is-a-crapshoot and there are guarantees, blah, blah, blah: BUT, how has Gute done considerably better (IMO) than many of those GM's consistently picking considerably higher in each round for several years?.

I figured I would compare Gute to Jon Schneider since Jan 2018. Both teams have star QBs, both teams typically pick late and I would say Schneider has DK Metcalf and Jamal Adams as wins and a lot of failed go for it moves and almost a completely non existent starters from his draft classes, comparatively speaking.

I was going to try and summarize it, but kind of a pain to dig through. I'd say Chris Carson was probably comparable to a Preston Smith signing given how many games he has been missing. In short, if DK Metcalf was drafted anywhere reasonable for his talent, Schneider would probably be out of a job right now.

[Dennis Reynolds]

How do you guys manage to turn this win and season in general into a fight? At least wait until we choke in the playoffs or smth.

[M-C-G]

How do you guys manage to turn this win and season in general into a fight? At least wait until we choke in the playoffs or smth.

I'd say the recipe is simple when one side believes that the team finds talent and the other side believes we win in spite of talent, or in some cases that Rodgers bails out the organization by making turds into diamonds, even on the defensive side of the ball.

As the world turns...

[WeekapaugGroove]

Let's put the Rodgers/Gute saga aside for a second. How many GMs have as many good moves over the last 3 years?
Hired MLF
FA hits - Amos, Billy Turner, Z'darius, Preston, Campbell
Draft hits - Jaire Alexander, Savage, Jenkins, Myers, Newman (don't love him but he is a starter right now), Runyan, Valdez Scantling, Rashan Gary, Eric Stokes, AJ Dillon
Scrap heap - Rausal Douglas, Borquez, Lazard, Krys Barnes, Yosh Nijman

It might just be time to come to terms with he is one of the top GMs in the league. And if he is, maybe, just maybe if he is right about all those guys, he might be right about a guy named Jordan Love too. Just maybe.

He's made some clunkers too, but not too many. I'll leave the Rogers/Front office shenanigans aside too.

Also important to consider, that during his drafting tenure, Gute has consistently been making most of his picks in the very late portions of each and every round. I know, I know, I know, the-draft-is-a-crapshoot and there are guarantees, blah, blah, blah: BUT, how has Gute done considerably better (IMO) than many of those GM's consistently picking considerably higher in each round for several years?.

I figured I would compare Gute to Jon Schneider since Jan 2018. Both teams have star QBs, both teams typically pick late and I would say Schneider has DK Metcalf and Jamal Adams as wins and a lot of failed go for it moves and almost a completely non existent starters from his draft classes, comparatively speaking.

I was going to try and summarize it, but kind of a pain to dig through. I'd say Chris Carson was probably comparable to a Preston Smith signing given how many games he has been missing. In short, if DK Metcalf was drafted anywhere reasonable for his talent, Schneider would probably be out of a job right now.

I don't think I'd put Adams in the win collum considering what they traded for him and eventually paid him. Good player but at that cost probably not worth it.

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[M-C-G]

He's made some clunkers too, but not too many. I'll leave the Rogers/Front office shenanigans aside too.

Also important to consider, that during his drafting tenure, Gute has consistently been making most of his picks in the very late portions of each and every round. I know, I know, I know, the-draft-is-a-crapshoot and there are guarantees, blah, blah, blah: BUT, how has Gute done considerably better (IMO) than many of those GM's consistently picking considerably higher in each round for several years?.

I figured I would compare Gute to Jon Schneider since Jan 2018. Both teams have star QBs, both teams typically pick late and I would say Schneider has DK Metcalf and Jamal Adams as wins and a lot of failed go for it moves and almost a completely non existent starters from his draft classes, comparatively speaking.

I was going to try and summarize it, but kind of a pain to dig through. I'd say Chris Carson was probably comparable to a Preston Smith signing given how many games he has been missing. In short, if DK Metcalf was drafted anywhere reasonable for his talent, Schneider would probably be out of a job right now.

I don't think I'd put Adams in the win collum considering what they traded for him and eventually paid him. Good player but at that cost probably not worth it.

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That’s fair enough, I just saw a lot of other trades that didn’t do much for them.


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[JimmyTheKid]

How do you guys manage to turn this win and season in general into a fight? At least wait until we choke in the playoffs or smth.

Its apparently offensive to some to point out that MVP HOF play at the QB position is a huge part of the reason the Packers win football games.

[M-C-G]

How do you guys manage to turn this win and season in general into a fight? At least wait until we choke in the playoffs or smth.

Its apparently offensive to some to point out that MVP HOF play at the QB position is a huge part of the reason the Packers win football games.

This is probably the disconnect right. No one, not one poster in all of the internet is saying 'QB position is NOT a huge part of the reason X in football games'. That is a ludicrous statement and I think you know it, but it doesn't stop you from saying things like that and attributing that to posters that have a differing opinion on other areas.

[LUKE23]

Even taking QB out of the equation for all teams, the Packers have without any doubt a top 5 roster (when healthy). I mean, they have All-Pro level studs at WR (Adams), RB (Jones, hell, throw Dillon in there), all across the offensive line (Bakh and Jenkins both Pro Bowl guys now, Myers looks like a future stud), DL (Clark), OLB (Z/Gary, P Smith as your third best guy is damn good), S (Savage), and CB (Jaire, Stokes looks like a future stud).

Hell, they might have the BEST non-QB roster. They arguably have the best players at their position at WR, LT, LG, and CB, and then are littered with other guys that are top 5 range at their position.

[MickeyDavis]

Even taking QB out of the equation for all teams, the Packers have without any doubt a top 5 roster (when healthy). I mean, they have All-Pro level studs at WR (Adams), RB (Jones, hell, throw Dillon in there), all across the offensive line (Bakh and Jenkins both Pro Bowl guys now, Myers looks like a future stud), DL (Clark), OLB (Z/Gary, P Smith as your third best guy is damn good), S (Savage), and CB (Jaire, Stokes looks like a future stud).

Hell, they might have the BEST non-QB roster. They arguably have the best players at their position at WR, LT, LG, and CB, and then are littered with other guys that are top 5 range at their position.

This