Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Tomjas]

Assuming that he’s not a complete headcase (& let’s not have this debate as it goes nowhere), getting Voldemort back is far and away the best option as he solves 90% of the issues

The problem is, was & will be Harris whatever happens

[DCasey91]

I feel like I’m heading to the dark side with wanting Ben back. Yuck

[Tomjas]

Not a matter of wanting him back

It’s about contributing to wins

Replace Tobias with Simmons today and we blow the Magic away every time

They don’t even want to win atm & the fact that Tobias is our highest paid player is some sort of sick joke

[Kolkmania]

Been telling you guys we need some size right? Watch the Magic game and see how easy for Franz Wagner to score against us. And it’s not just this game.

I also told you that having a big frontcourt with a PF like Siakam or Sabonis isn’t a problem with Embiid. Those two are not shooters but they can shoot. And they run almost the same system and roster structure with us, a center who takes a lot of jumpers and dribble drive offense.

Our size is a bigger problem than our endless search for that alpha creator that may not come at all.

And it’s a good thing because what we need is cheaper, while we can be patient with Maxey’s development as alternate option to Embiid down the stretch.

We're a little thin on the forward spot right now, but how can you say that we need size above all after the Horford debacle? Adding a non-volume shooting forward next to Harris and Embiid is a guaranteed disaster in the PO.

[Tomjas]

If rumours are true file

Missed out on Harden due to Morey’s history with Fertitta

Can’t get George due to his history with Doc

We have more problems than Voldemort

[DCasey91]

Yeah nah yeah Ben comes back Harris goes for a peanut we fail in the ECF. Embiid is done 3 years from now the process is over and starts again.

Unless we get Keegan Murray muahahaha

I am from the future

Just tank this team ain’t going anywhere

[Tomjas]

Who’s Keegan Murray other than some kid who is totally irrelevant to us right now?

[Jhawk03]

Hello

I post on this 8 time thread (Ocho, for those who think this crap is cute)

That's all

[Zumramania]

Assuming that he’s not a complete headcase (& let’s not have this debate as it goes nowhere), getting Voldemort back is far and away the best option as he solves 90% of the issues

The problem is, was & will be Harris whatever happens

Both are problems, and we will lose in the playoffs unless both are gone and adequately replaced (Simmons primarily, for Harris it is more important to just go). I wouldn't like to see Ben returning, because a) we will still lose in the playoffs, but we will have to watch 4 on 5 basketball unless both Glen and Ben are open for some experimenting, but even then I doubt it would work and b) it seems to me he would return only if the rumors about financial issues are true, and is sucks a bit as a fan to watch a guy play only for the money. That would be good only if he increases his trade value and gets traded.

[Mik317]

Ben is not coming back lol

[mjkvol]

Ben is not coming back lol

Exactly. And commenting as if it has a snowball's chance in hell of happening is a colossal waste of bandwidth. That bridge wasn't burned, it was blown to kingdom come.

Watch on YouTube

[GOBlazers]

If they don't want to play for a team, then they don't have to.

What kind of fantasy land did this take come from? Of course they have to. Do you know what a contract is?

Your arguing that players have to play?

It's a simple fact. Management can't whip Simmons to get him back on the court. They can't force him at all. Like I said, the players aren't slaves.

On the other hand, players that don't play typically don't get paid by their team.

[the_process]

Both (Ben and Tobias) are problems, and we will lose in the playoffs unless both are gone and adequately replaced (Simmons primarily, for Harris it is more important to just go).

Cannot be said enough.

[76ciology]

Been telling you guys we need some size right? Watch the Magic game and see how easy for Franz Wagner to score against us. And it’s not just this game.

I also told you that having a big frontcourt with a PF like Siakam or Sabonis isn’t a problem with Embiid. Those two are not shooters but they can shoot. And they run almost the same system and roster structure with us, a center who takes a lot of jumpers and dribble drive offense.

Our size is a bigger problem than our endless search for that alpha creator that may not come at all.

And it’s a good thing because what we need is cheaper, while we can be patient with Maxey’s development as alternate option to Embiid down the stretch.

We're a little thin on the forward spot right now, but how can you say that we need size above all after the Horford debacle? Adding a non-volume shooting forward next to Harris and Embiid is a guaranteed disaster in the PO.

Because the guys I mentioned plays heavy PF or are quicker and have proven to work well playing PF alongside a C (Gasol, Jokic or Turner) on a heavy drive and draw or heavy PnR offense.

If you have Maxey and Seth instead of Ben and Jrich, you also wouldnt have a problem with Biid and Al.

There’s no way you can win when your guards (Ben and Jrich) can’t shoot.

The problem isnt really about Al and Embiid. It’s Al and Embiid paired with the worst shooting backcourt in the history of the league.

[76ciology]

Even if you have Ben, you will lose. Because you dont have anyone who can defend Giannis. And you wont be able to make it to the finals unless you have a roster who can beat the Bucks in a 7 game series or you are lucky that you won’t face the defending champion in your division.

Not only will you have an inferior offense with Ben, but Ben wouldnt make a big difference on your defense in defending Trae on PnR, in defending Giannis straight up or defending Kawhi or KD off a simple screen play.

[Mik317]

not many teams have a guy to watch Giannis.

you don't build your roster around stopping one dude....we did that with Horford remember lol.

[LAL1947]

How about this as the base for a 3-team trade?

76ers get win-now help with Murray and THJ, who fit with Embiid/Tobias time-line very well. Spurs finally get a star. Mavs get a good wing prospect at the cost of putting their team back 1-2 years.

76ers In: Tim Hardaway Jr, Dejounte Murray
- Murray/Maxey, THJ/Curry, Green/Thybulle, Tobias/Niang, Embiid/Drummond

Spurs In: Ben Simmons
- White/Jones, Walker/Forbes, Keldon/McDermott, Simmons/Diop, Poeltl/Eubanks

Mavericks In: Devin Vassell, Thad Young
- Luka/Brunson, Bullock/Ntilikina, Vassell/DFS, Young/Kleber, Porzingis/Powell

They could also add a 4th team... THJ > Heat, Duncan Robinson > 76ers.

[76ciology]

How about this as the base for a 3-team trade?

76ers get win-now help with Murray and THJ, who fit with Embiid/Tobias time-line very well. Spurs finally get a star. Mavs get a good wing prospect at the cost of putting their team back 1-2 years.

76ers In: Tim Hardaway Jr, Dejounte Murray
- Murray/Maxey, THJ/Curry, Green/Thybulle, Tobias/Niang, Embiid/Drummond

Spurs In: Ben Simmons
- White/Jones, Walker/Forbes, Keldon/McDermott, Simmons/Diop, Poeltl/Eubanks

Mavericks In: Devin Vassell, Thad Young
- Luka/Brunson, Bullock/Ntilikina, Vassell/DFS, Young/Kleber, Porzingis/Powell

They could also add a 4th team... THJ > Heat, Duncan Robinson > 76ers.

We’re not accepting players who aren’t efficient scorers, like the one’s who needs 18 FGAs to get 19pts. That’s number one rule on our fight club.

[76ciology]

not many teams have a guy to watch Giannis.

you don't build your roster around stopping one dude....we did that with Horford remember lol.

Not just Giannis though. Almost all our loses was because of our lack of size. Whether some PF will score easy against us (recently Franz Wagner, started with Randle), out rebounded us (Raps), feast in the paint with Embiid or our center glued to shooting C (Wolves).

I can even go as far as during the Hawks series when we look small despite having Ben and Tobi.

Or even much further when Raps outrebounded us in G7.

Or even much further when Celtics played bigger than us and clogged the paint making Ben useless with a key basket by Al with Roco playing wtf defense by gambling for a steal.

The reason Biid and Al didn’t work is because we paired them with 2 terrible shooters. You can’t win anything if you have the worst shooting backcourt in the league with Jrich and Ben.

It’s not the frontcourt, it’s our incompetent backcourt and coaching that can’t run dribble drive, can’t run PnR and can’t shoot.

Even if you have Green in place of Al, with Ben and Jrich, you’ll still be fried on offense. And wouldnt have any answers in defending the Bucks.

We won’t even be able to beat the Hawks in a 7 game series whereas it’s proven that they can play bullyball against us with a more superior offense down the stretch. Much worse if you replace Seth with JRich.

Jrich
Danny Green
Tobias
Ben
Embiid

You have weak dribble drive game and 2 negative floor spacers in JRich and Ben.

[Skates]

Just because Horford who was an aging center and not a true stretch four was not a fit with the team, does not mean we have enough size or athleticism without Simmons, especially on the wing. Our 2/3 positions are old (D Green), tiny (Curry), unable to defend (Korkmaz, even with some improvement, he can't handle a big wing defensively) and Thybulle can only defend and not heavier, stronger guys. Simmons guarded a lot of these players in the past (and was one of the reasons Horford didn't fit, but not the only one) and other than Thybulle, who won't make larger, more athletic wings play D on him, we can't guard any of them and Thybulle is weak on the boards as well. Simmons provided a LOT of defense, rebounding and playmaking, along with being an athletic 6'10" team and individual defender. It is why we struggle with teams like the Raptors (whom I would love to trade Simmons to) that are filled with long armed defenders and athletes who can shoot at least reasonably.

Curry, for all of his shooting skill is not a starter on a serious contender, and the current version of Danny Green is not either. Maxey and Shake are combo guards, so a two with more size and some playmaking ability is needed, unless you get a great defensive PG with size and move Maxey to be your instant offense from the bench. The lack of playable plus athletes on this team is very obvious.