Man on Fire!! Jonas Valanciunas with 29 points and 7 of 7 from 3 at the half.

Mike87 · Post #41 » by **Mike87** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:30 pm

Great game and one of the most underrated players in the league

naabzor · Post #42 » by **naabzor** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:05 pm

RaptorPride wrote:
naabzor wrote:This guy is at least as good as Vucevic if not better and one got max money, 28 millions, the other is fighting to get on teams and find minutes his entire career. The Raptors properly destroyed this guy career.

We made him gain too much weight early on in his career so he could be a dominant low post big. But just as we were doing that the three point revolution happened. And Casey would always use him as garbage man to clean up the boards instead of running plays for him. Trust me Raptor fans were so hyped about JV.

Vuc was blessed to play in Orlando so he could be the first option on a team. JV has never really had that opportunity but he would always destroy other big men when he had the chance. Especially Drummond, JV was/is his father.

Gobert

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Drummond

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Embiid

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That's the same exact thing that happened with Bargnani and the Raptors. Mind you, I am not saying that Il Mago could have been way better than it was but they morph a skinny seven footer a la Durant in a giant center and that did not fit his game and skill set at all. In the end Bargnani had other problems that prevents him to reach his full potential but I am still dead sure that his career could have been better if they choose to utilize him to his strength.

Dacost · Post #43 » by **Dacost** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:11 pm

BruttoNostra wrote:
Dacost wrote:Regular season.

Come playoff time he is basically unplayable against the Curry's or Lillards of the world because of his awful pick roll defense.

90% of starting centers are unplayable against the Curry's or Lillards of the world in playoff.
You still can win a series or two without playing Curry/Lillard and you even have to get to that playoffs in the place. So among these 90% starting centers who might be exposed by Curry/Lillard, Val is still one of the top choices for quite some time already.

I disagree completely and have 2 front offices to back me up on my point.

Raps bench him because of it.

Grizz let him go because the Jazz destroy him in the playoffs defensively.

Pointgod · Post #44 » by **Pointgod** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:22 pm

Didn’t know Dell Curry had 3 sons :wink:

Hell of a game from Big V.

QingJames · Post #45 » by **QingJames** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:24 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
jlokine wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:This dude is straight up balling this year. It's a travesty that the Raptors never gave him the proper run he deserved. On the Grizzlies he continued to develop, and now he's a legit stretch big.

Dude was absolutely torching the clippers and it's only half time.

7 of 7 from 3, and his expression when he's hits that 7th three is instant meme/gif gold!

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Also, it's pretty bad ass to see a dude balling with his Viking style beard.

not arguing whether or not raps would've won with/without JV.. but they got a championship out of the trade for gasol, hard to argue about that. gasol was vital in defense of embiid and giannis. i'd take a championship over having JV today.
Fair enough, also fair to say he wasn't developed properly there. It's the same thing happening with Boucher.

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LMAO

Boucher is trash my dude. Don’t mention those two guys in the same breath. What a terrible equivocation.

dkb965 · Post #46 » by **dkb965** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:34 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
jlokine wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:This dude is straight up balling this year. It's a travesty that the Raptors never gave him the proper run he deserved. On the Grizzlies he continued to develop, and now he's a legit stretch big.

Dude was absolutely torching the clippers and it's only half time.

7 of 7 from 3, and his expression when he's hits that 7th three is instant meme/gif gold!

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Also, it's pretty bad ass to see a dude balling with his Viking style beard.

not arguing whether or not raps would've won with/without JV.. but they got a championship out of the trade for gasol, hard to argue about that. gasol was vital in defense of embiid and giannis. i'd take a championship over having JV today.
Fair enough, also fair to say he wasn't developed properly there. It's the same thing happening with Boucher.

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Boucher sucks.

Tomazan · Post #47 » by **Tomazan** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:39 pm

It's insane to me how 7 footer can develop his 3 pt range to actually become a decent 3pt shooter during the games but someone like Ben Simmons can't freaking learn how to shoot wide open free throws at respectable %.

PistolPeteJR · Post #48 » by **PistolPeteJR** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:46 pm

Yes, it's a shame the Raps traded away a big who doesn't play defense or pass nearly as well as Marc Gasol did and won a chip.

zZero · Post #49 » by **zZero** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:49 pm

Dacost wrote:
BruttoNostra wrote:
Dacost wrote:Regular season.

Come playoff time he is basically unplayable against the Curry's or Lillards of the world because of his awful pick roll defense.

90% of starting centers are unplayable against the Curry's or Lillards of the world in playoff.
You still can win a series or two without playing Curry/Lillard and you even have to get to that playoffs in the place. So among these 90% starting centers who might be exposed by Curry/Lillard, Val is still one of the top choices for quite some time already.
I disagree completely and have 2 front offices to back me up on my point.

Raps bench him because of it.

Grizz let him go because the Jazz destroy him in the playoffs defensively.

I'm sure Steven Adams will do the job for them kekw

zZero · Post #50 » by **zZero** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:52 pm

Tomazan wrote:It's insane to me how 7 footer can develop his 3 pt range to actually become a decent 3pt shooter during the games but someone like Ben Simmons can't freaking learn how to shoot wide open free throws at respectable %.

Though JV always had a good jumpshot in him, it was the matter of time he got confident in it instead of pumpfaking

LuDux1 · Post #51 » by **LuDux1** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:54 pm

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/backstage/483945/jonas-valanciunas-goes-old-school/

Johnny Bball · Post #52 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:56 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:Yes, it's a shame the Raps traded away a big who doesn't play defense or pass nearly as well as Marc Gasol did and won a chip.

Pretty much was the only problem but its a big problem. He plays defense, he just can't defend the PNR very well at all and that's essential. You will not beat the best teams that way, they will just roast you.

But with him scoring 39 a night and going 7 for 7, not too many teams will beat you.

Danny1616 · Post #53 » by **Danny1616** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:46 pm

JV has been a good 3 point shooter since the 2017 season or so. It' just that his release is pretty slow.

dkb965 · Post #54 » by **dkb965** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:42 pm

Childs wrote:I forgot, why did the Grizzlies trade Jonas for Steven Adams?

They moved from 17th to 10th and 51st to 40th in the 2021 draft and also received a 2022 protected first round pick.

johanliebert · Post #55 » by **johanliebert** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:53 pm

naabzor wrote:
RaptorPride wrote:
naabzor wrote:This guy is at least as good as Vucevic if not better and one got max money, 28 millions, the other is fighting to get on teams and find minutes his entire career. The Raptors properly destroyed this guy career.

We made him gain too much weight early on in his career so he could be a dominant low post big. But just as we were doing that the three point revolution happened. And Casey would always use him as garbage man to clean up the boards instead of running plays for him. Trust me Raptor fans were so hyped about JV.

Vuc was blessed to play in Orlando so he could be the first option on a team. JV has never really had that opportunity but he would always destroy other big men when he had the chance. Especially Drummond, JV was/is his father.

Gobert

Watch on YouTube

Drummond

Watch on YouTube

Embiid

Watch on YouTube

That's the same exact thing that happened with Bargnani and the Raptors. Mind you, I am not saying that Il Mago could have been way better than it was but they morph a skinny seven footer a la Durant in a giant center and that did not fit his game and skill set at all. In the end Bargnani had other problems that prevents him to reach his full potential but I am still dead sure that his career could have been better if they choose to utilize him to his strength.

You have a point about Bargnani but JV came into the league at 19 he was eventually going to fill out.

links135 · Post #56 » by **links135** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:58 pm

bbalnation wrote:
RaptorPride wrote:
naabzor wrote:This guy is at least as good as Vucevic if not better and one got max money, 28 millions, the other is fighting to get on teams and find minutes his entire career. The Raptors properly destroyed this guy career.

We made him gain too much weight early on in his career so he could be a dominant low post big. But just as we were doing that the three point revolution happened. And Casey would always use him as garbage man to clean up the boards instead of running plays for him.

The BC days man. He was always fantastic at recognizing talent, him and his collar. It was just what he did afterwards that was questionable. In this case, it impacted JV's medium and long term health, and career.

The extra weight gain caused a lot of strain, and he got injured a lot because of it. He was really mobile when he was drafted, but the organization (led by Bryan Colangelo in 2011) wanted him to be like Roy Hibbert, thus the weight gain.

It makes me happy to see how much he's been able to adjust his game to the modern NBA. His bodys still a lil slower but damn, he's an automatic bucket. Hes also so intentionally awkward on camera at times you can't help but laugh.

Wut.... Jonas was drafted in 2011 sure but he didn't play here his first year, not till 12-13 and he was still a skinny rookie. Then BC was fired.

This is for sure on Casey.

johanliebert · Post #57 » by **johanliebert** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:00 pm

NeoDragonKnight wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
jlokine wrote:

not arguing whether or not raps would've won with/without JV.. but they got a championship out of the trade for gasol, hard to argue about that. gasol was vital in defense of embiid and giannis. i'd take a championship over having JV today.
Fair enough, also fair to say he wasn't developed properly there. It's the same thing happening with Boucher.

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That was on Dwayne Casey, he hated JV, JV would be playing amazing and he would be inexplicably benched. As flawed as Stewart is, his development will probably take a hit because of Casey, just like JV did. But as others have said, to get Gasol, we needed to give up something, and Gasol's team and man defense was a billion times better than JVs, the difference was immediate. As good as JVs offense is, he will never reach Gasol's level of defense. I had actually hoped JV would come back and Gasol teach him how to be an anchor on D. Happy for JV though, will always be a Raptor for me, he even attended the championship run games after he was traded.

Why is Casey still the scapegoat for JV? I see raptor fans are back singing jv's praises..same fanbase that called him the next Tim Duncan. Nick Nurse actually limited JV even further than Casey due to his limitations that we all know of.

The Gasol trade had zilch to do with your reasoning the team just needed a legit defensive anchor and found one. Any other player the analysis would be how the game has moved on from bigs but here we blame a coach lol. Nba coverage is the worst.

Tor_Raps · Post #58 » by **Tor_Raps** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:25 pm

One of the most underrated players in the NBA. Hilarious that some people would blame him for Curry/Lillard scoring points lol.

yellowknifer · Post #59 » by **yellowknifer** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:30 pm

I will forever remain curious what would have happened if when he was drafted he was made the main offensive weapon. In prior eras I think he probably would have been and we would look at him differently. He's got amazing natural touch for a guy his size.

Slade3 · Post #60 » by **Slade3** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:46 pm

Dacost wrote:
BruttoNostra wrote:
Dacost wrote:Regular season.

Come playoff time he is basically unplayable against the Curry's or Lillards of the world because of his awful pick roll defense.

90% of starting centers are unplayable against the Curry's or Lillards of the world in playoff.
You still can win a series or two without playing Curry/Lillard and you even have to get to that playoffs in the place. So among these 90% starting centers who might be exposed by Curry/Lillard, Val is still one of the top choices for quite some time already.
I disagree completely and have 2 front offices to back me up on my point.

Raps bench him because of it.

Grizz let him go because the Jazz destroy him in the playoffs defensively.

I'm a Raptors fan so I don't know what the **** you are talking about. JV was killing it for us in the playoffs in 2016 and bailing out DeMar and Lowry. The other teams couldn't stop him until he got injured against Cleveland.

That's what I hate about other Raptor fans, they throw former players under the bus once their gone.