Game 20: GSW @ Clippers: SUNDAY 11/28, 12:30 PM PST—NOTE TIME

[Clemenza]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

Yeah his turnovers were atrocious yesterday. Some of them he just simply handed it over to them on some "here you go, I don't want it" type sh*t. We need that real point guard on the team and get him from bringing the ball up so much on offense. He does less when other players are making shots but Reggie and Zu both finished with 0 points for the entire game. Let that sink in. Plus Kennard, Mann, and Morris were mentally out of it as well. Plus Batum was out and he helps out with the ball handling duties. Half the people on here don't want to hear this but it's time to add Boston & Keon Johnson to the mix. Maybe Scubb too. Can't have a zero scoring game from your starting two guard plus three offense challenged guys in the rotation - Mann, Coffey, Winslow and hell sometimes even Kennard, Bledsoe, Zu, and Morris. Any given night we have 4-7 guys that either can't shoot, won't shoot, can't get open, or have a bad shooting night.

Plus look at the schedule. A back to back tonight and 5 games in 7 nights. Lue is going to have to expand the rotation or some injuries might occur and that's the last thing we need, especially to a key player

[KL2]

Mann is a 2nd round pick who has outplayed his contract so far. He was extended at the amount of the MLE which is what he would demand on the open market. He's mainly disappointing because he had a strong playoffs so the expectations got higher

It doesn’t matter where he was drafted. The guy is talking and flexing all off season and even in games but isn’t backing up that talk. That’s my problem.

I’ve said for months he needs to find a go-to shot. He has to be consistent. He hasn’t shown either of those. He wants to be next level he has to prove he can provide those 2 things. He’s not even close. In fact I think he’s regressed.

So far he’s all bark and no bite.

[MartinToVaught]

I'm not "manic depressive" or "off the cliff," I'm being realistic. We can't win with this offense and I don't see any easy fixes on our current roster.

The truth is that we still need a real point guard to run the offense and minimize turnovers. Even with the brutal schedule and the injuries, I think we'd be top 3 in the West right now with Ricky Rubio instead of Bledsoe. Unfortunately, the Cavs have no reason to trade him now that they're finally competitive this year. We really should have traded for him last year while his value was at its lowest instead of trading for washed-up Rondo. Regardless, moves have to be made if we want to avoid giving OKC a top draft pick.

[NickP]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

Yeah his turnovers were atrocious yesterday. Some of them he just simply handed it over to them on some "here you go, I don't want it" type sh*t. We need that real point guard on the team and get him from bringing the ball up so much on offense. He does less when other players are making shots but Reggie and Zu both finished with 0 points for the entire game. Let that sink in. Plus Kennard, Mann, and Morris were mentally out of it as well. Plus Batum was out and he helps out with the ball handling duties. Half the people on here don't want to hear this but it's time to add Boston & Keon Johnson to the mix. Maybe Scubb too. Can't have a zero scoring game from your starting two guard plus three offense challenged guys in the rotation - Mann, Coffey, Winslow and hell sometimes even Kennard, Bledsoe, Zu, and Morris. Any given night we have 4-7 guys that either can't shoot, won't shoot, can't get open, or have a bad shooting night.

Plus look at the schedule. A back to back tonight and 5 games in 7 nights. Lue is going to have to expand the rotation or some injuries might occur and that's the last thing we need, especially to a key player

Couldn't agree more. Spot on!

[Clemenza]

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[KL2]

I was going to post something about that. He’s continuing to show up when he’s sent down. Imagine not playing him because he’s a rookie without reps. He’s never going to learn that way.

Johnson didn’t shoot well today but he’s also looking smooth.

[esqtvd]

I'll just leave this here

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In 55 NBA minutes:

38% eFG
88 OffRtg
105 DefRtg


BB is earning big league minutes and will get them
but the gulf between G-League and the NBA is huge
G-League is closer to playground ball

look at the list of G-League MVPs

Code: Select all

2001–02   Ansu Sesay[2]   Forward    United States   Greenville Groove
2002–03   Devin Brown[3]   Guard    United States   Fayetteville Patriots
2003–04   Tierre Brown[4]   Guard    United States   Charleston Lowgators
2004–05   Matt Carroll[5]   Guard    United States   Roanoke Dazzle
2005–06   Marcus Fizer[6]   Forward    United States   Austin Toros
2006–07   Randy Livingston[3]   Guard    United States   Idaho Stampede
2007–08   Kasib Powell[7]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce
2008–09   Courtney Sims[3]   Center    United States   Iowa Energy
2009–10   Mike Harris[8]   Forward    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers
2010–11   Curtis Stinson[9]   Guard    United States   Iowa Energy (2)
2011–12   Justin Dentmon[10]   Guard    United States   Austin Toros (2)
2012–13   Drew Goudelock[3]   Guard    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers (2)
2013–14   Ron Howard[11]   Guard    United States   Fort Wayne Mad Ants
2014–15   Tim Frazier[12]   Guard    United States   Maine Red Claws
2015–16   Jarnell Stokes[13]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce (2)
2016–17   Vander Blue[14]   Guard    United States   Los Angeles D-Fenders
2017–18   Lorenzo Brown[15]   Guard    United States   Raptors 905
2018–19   Chris Boucher[16]   Forward    Canada   Raptors 905 (2)
2019–20   Frank Mason III[17]   Guard    United States   Wisconsin Herd
2020–21   Paul Reed[18]   Forward    United States   Delaware Blue Coats

[madmaxmedia]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

Yeah his turnovers were atrocious yesterday. Some of them he just simply handed it over to them on some "here you go, I don't want it" type sh*t. We need that real point guard on the team and get him from bringing the ball up so much on offense. He does less when other players are making shots but Reggie and Zu both finished with 0 points for the entire game. Let that sink in. Plus Kennard, Mann, and Morris were mentally out of it as well. Plus Batum was out and he helps out with the ball handling duties. Half the people on here don't want to hear this but it's time to add Boston & Keon Johnson to the mix. Maybe Scubb too. Can't have a zero scoring game from your starting two guard plus three offense challenged guys in the rotation - Mann, Coffey, Winslow and hell sometimes even Kennard, Bledsoe, Zu, and Morris. Any given night we have 4-7 guys that either can't shoot, won't shoot, can't get open, or have a bad shooting night.

Plus look at the schedule. A back to back tonight and 5 games in 7 nights. Lue is going to have to expand the rotation or some injuries might occur and that's the last thing we need, especially to a key player

I'm not gonna defend that 8 turnovers in a game, and there's also the occasional WTF turnover where there seems to be no rhyme or reason whatsoever. But IMO many of his turnovers overall are the result of him sometimes forcing the issue to try to create scoring opportunities for his team. He sees a 50/50 type opportunity to attack the paint, he's going to take it if success means a good scoring opportunity- because who else is going to create something?

I think with a healthy Kawhi he'd know to tone it down and play it safer.

[madmaxmedia]

I'm not "manic depressive" or "off the cliff," I'm being realistic. We can't win with this offense and I don't see any easy fixes on our current roster.

The truth is that we still need a real point guard to run the offense and minimize turnovers. Even with the brutal schedule and the injuries, I think we'd be top 3 in the West right now with Ricky Rubio instead of Bledsoe. Unfortunately, the Cavs have no reason to trade him now that they're finally competitive this year. We really should have traded for him last year while his value was at its lowest instead of trading for washed-up Rondo. Regardless, moves have to be made if we want to avoid giving OKC a top draft pick.

I do wonder if we considered Rubio instead of Rondo last year, that was our chance to get him. I thought the Bledsoe trade was a good one given the circumstances, and just maybe might yield some further fruit down the road (in either a Bledsoe trade or something with the TPE.)

[Clemenza]

I'll just leave this here

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In 55 NBA minutes:

38% eFG
88 OffRtg
105 DefRtg


BB is earning big league minutes and will get them
but the gulf between G-League and the NBA is huge
G-League is closer to playground ball

look at the list of G-League MVPs

Code: Select all

2001–02   Ansu Sesay[2]   Forward    United States   Greenville Groove
2002–03   Devin Brown[3]   Guard    United States   Fayetteville Patriots
2003–04   Tierre Brown[4]   Guard    United States   Charleston Lowgators
2004–05   Matt Carroll[5]   Guard    United States   Roanoke Dazzle
2005–06   Marcus Fizer[6]   Forward    United States   Austin Toros
2006–07   Randy Livingston[3]   Guard    United States   Idaho Stampede
2007–08   Kasib Powell[7]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce
2008–09   Courtney Sims[3]   Center    United States   Iowa Energy
2009–10   Mike Harris[8]   Forward    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers
2010–11   Curtis Stinson[9]   Guard    United States   Iowa Energy (2)
2011–12   Justin Dentmon[10]   Guard    United States   Austin Toros (2)
2012–13   Drew Goudelock[3]   Guard    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers (2)
2013–14   Ron Howard[11]   Guard    United States   Fort Wayne Mad Ants
2014–15   Tim Frazier[12]   Guard    United States   Maine Red Claws
2015–16   Jarnell Stokes[13]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce (2)
2016–17   Vander Blue[14]   Guard    United States   Los Angeles D-Fenders
2017–18   Lorenzo Brown[15]   Guard    United States   Raptors 905
2018–19   Chris Boucher[16]   Forward    Canada   Raptors 905 (2)
2019–20   Frank Mason III[17]   Guard    United States   Wisconsin Herd
2020–21   Paul Reed[18]   Forward    United States   Delaware Blue Coats

We get it but can we have some fun and enjoy something like scoring and shooting for a change... Sheesh

[madmaxmedia]

I'll just leave this here

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In 55 NBA minutes:

38% eFG
88 OffRtg
105 DefRtg


BB is earning big league minutes and will get them
but the gulf between G-League and the NBA is huge
G-League is closer to playground ball

look at the list of G-League MVPs

Code: Select all

2001–02   Ansu Sesay[2]   Forward    United States   Greenville Groove
2002–03   Devin Brown[3]   Guard    United States   Fayetteville Patriots
2003–04   Tierre Brown[4]   Guard    United States   Charleston Lowgators
2004–05   Matt Carroll[5]   Guard    United States   Roanoke Dazzle
2005–06   Marcus Fizer[6]   Forward    United States   Austin Toros
2006–07   Randy Livingston[3]   Guard    United States   Idaho Stampede
2007–08   Kasib Powell[7]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce
2008–09   Courtney Sims[3]   Center    United States   Iowa Energy
2009–10   Mike Harris[8]   Forward    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers
2010–11   Curtis Stinson[9]   Guard    United States   Iowa Energy (2)
2011–12   Justin Dentmon[10]   Guard    United States   Austin Toros (2)
2012–13   Drew Goudelock[3]   Guard    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers (2)
2013–14   Ron Howard[11]   Guard    United States   Fort Wayne Mad Ants
2014–15   Tim Frazier[12]   Guard    United States   Maine Red Claws
2015–16   Jarnell Stokes[13]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce (2)
2016–17   Vander Blue[14]   Guard    United States   Los Angeles D-Fenders
2017–18   Lorenzo Brown[15]   Guard    United States   Raptors 905
2018–19   Chris Boucher[16]   Forward    Canada   Raptors 905 (2)
2019–20   Frank Mason III[17]   Guard    United States   Wisconsin Herd
2020–21   Paul Reed[18]   Forward    United States   Delaware Blue Coats

Of course dropping 46 in a G-League game is taken with a grain of salt, but his play overall has been pretty encouraging IMO combined with how he looks on the floor.

I'm not expecting him to bust out on the big league team or anything, but if he can learn to minimize the mistakes then we can start giving him some opportunities to show his positives on an NBA floor. Amir Coffey will never set the NBA on fire, but he can play 10 MPG in the NBA and not totally lose games for you. That's what any G-League prospect needs to be able to do first to get on an NBA floor.

[esqtvd]

I'll just leave this here

Read on Twitter

In 55 NBA minutes:

38% eFG
88 OffRtg
105 DefRtg


BB is earning big league minutes and will get them
but the gulf between G-League and the NBA is huge
G-League is closer to playground ball

look at the list of G-League MVPs

Code: Select all

2001–02   Ansu Sesay[2]   Forward    United States   Greenville Groove
2002–03   Devin Brown[3]   Guard    United States   Fayetteville Patriots
2003–04   Tierre Brown[4]   Guard    United States   Charleston Lowgators
2004–05   Matt Carroll[5]   Guard    United States   Roanoke Dazzle
2005–06   Marcus Fizer[6]   Forward    United States   Austin Toros
2006–07   Randy Livingston[3]   Guard    United States   Idaho Stampede
2007–08   Kasib Powell[7]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce
2008–09   Courtney Sims[3]   Center    United States   Iowa Energy
2009–10   Mike Harris[8]   Forward    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers
2010–11   Curtis Stinson[9]   Guard    United States   Iowa Energy (2)
2011–12   Justin Dentmon[10]   Guard    United States   Austin Toros (2)
2012–13   Drew Goudelock[3]   Guard    United States   Rio Grande Valley Vipers (2)
2013–14   Ron Howard[11]   Guard    United States   Fort Wayne Mad Ants
2014–15   Tim Frazier[12]   Guard    United States   Maine Red Claws
2015–16   Jarnell Stokes[13]   Forward    United States   Sioux Falls Skyforce (2)
2016–17   Vander Blue[14]   Guard    United States   Los Angeles D-Fenders
2017–18   Lorenzo Brown[15]   Guard    United States   Raptors 905
2018–19   Chris Boucher[16]   Forward    Canada   Raptors 905 (2)
2019–20   Frank Mason III[17]   Guard    United States   Wisconsin Herd
2020–21   Paul Reed[18]   Forward    United States   Delaware Blue Coats

We get it but can we have some fun and enjoy something like scoring and shooting for a change... Sheesh

Agree, and sorry. I don't want to be a downer about BB, bruh. Just turned 20--not 22-24 like our previous prospects. In fact, the point is that T-Mann and Luke are both 25 and making SERIOUS COIN, and not doing jackspit. Ty needs to straighten this **** out PRONTO.

[ShaqFTs]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

LOL where were you last season? He's been doing this his entire time with the Clippers. That's just who he is, accept it or get with the program.

[ShaqFTs]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

Yeah his turnovers were atrocious yesterday. Some of them he just simply handed it over to them on some "here you go, I don't want it" type sh*t. We need that real point guard on the team and get him from bringing the ball up so much on offense. He does less when other players are making shots but Reggie and Zu both finished with 0 points for the entire game. Let that sink in. Plus Kennard, Mann, and Morris were mentally out of it as well. Plus Batum was out and he helps out with the ball handling duties. Half the people on here don't want to hear this but it's time to add Boston & Keon Johnson to the mix. Maybe Scubb too. Can't have a zero scoring game from your starting two guard plus three offense challenged guys in the rotation - Mann, Coffey, Winslow and hell sometimes even Kennard, Bledsoe, Zu, and Morris. Any given night we have 4-7 guys that either can't shoot, won't shoot, can't get open, or have a bad shooting night.

Plus look at the schedule. A back to back tonight and 5 games in 7 nights. Lue is going to have to expand the rotation or some injuries might occur and that's the last thing we need, especially to a key player

Kemba is out of the rotation in New York. If they negotiate a buy out I'd love if we got him.

[esqtvd]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

LOL where were you last season? He's been doing this his entire time with the Clippers. That's just who he is, accept it or get with the program.

What program was that again?

[ShaqFTs]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

LOL where were you last season? He's been doing this his entire time with the Clippers. That's just who he is, accept it or get with the program.

What program was that again?

The PG package! Good and bad you get it all

[NickP]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

LOL where were you last season? He's been doing this his entire time with the Clippers. That's just who he is, accept it or get with the program.

Don't know about you but in my program there was a guy called Kawhi. Decent dude at this game. So Kawhi and PG actually built a decent chemistry. But this year Kawhi is out.
As someone said, PG is trying to do too much but that's on Lue to figure this out.

[ShaqFTs]

We seriously cannot ignore PG going all out Westbrook. What's killing us are his TOs. Every time PG has the ball I cringe. It's a TO waiting to happen.
I actually thought had we played smarter we could have won this game. Our ball movement was atrocious. There were at least 3 possessions in a row we managed to F it up.
Luke needs to get it going also. We need those trays to go in if we are to have any chances of winning against anyone.

LOL where were you last season? He's been doing this his entire time with the Clippers. That's just who he is, accept it or get with the program.

Don't know about you but in my program there was a guy called Kawhi. Decent dude at this game. So Kawhi and PG actually built a decent chemistry. But this year Kawhi is out.
As someone said, PG is trying to do too much but that's on Lue to figure this out.

LOL you misunderstood. My point was that this is the exact same PG his entire time with the Clippers, Kawhi there or not. I'm just surprised this is the first time you're noticing it but all good fam

[NickP]

LOL where were you last season? He's been doing this his entire time with the Clippers. That's just who he is, accept it or get with the program.

Don't know about you but in my program there was a guy called Kawhi. Decent dude at this game. So Kawhi and PG actually built a decent chemistry. But this year Kawhi is out.
As someone said, PG is trying to do too much but that's on Lue to figure this out.

LOL you misunderstood. My point was that this is the exact same PG his entire time with the Clippers, Kawhi there or not. I'm just surprised this is the first time you're noticing it but all good fam

It's all good.
I was just making a point that as much TO prone as he is, PG has the ball more in his hands in the absence of Kawhi so yeah, he's even more terrible with it.

[madmaxmedia]

Don't know about you but in my program there was a guy called Kawhi. Decent dude at this game. So Kawhi and PG actually built a decent chemistry. But this year Kawhi is out.
As someone said, PG is trying to do too much but that's on Lue to figure this out.

LOL you misunderstood. My point was that this is the exact same PG his entire time with the Clippers, Kawhi there or not. I'm just surprised this is the first time you're noticing it but all good fam

It's all good.
I was just making a point that as much TO prone as he is, PG has the ball more in his hands in the absence of Kawhi so yeah, he's even more terrible with it.

I think he’s actually pretty good with the ball in his hands, if you balance both the turnovers and the scoring opportunities he creates for himself and others. But he’s not good enough to single-handedly carry a team on his back the way Lebron can (or used to be able to.) If he were somewhat stronger, or somewhat quicker, that might turn some of his bailout passes into trips to the free throw line.

I would rather him stay aggressive though than play passively because he’s by far our best current healthy player, it’s up to Lue to dial in his usage to maximize team success.

This is just my subjective memory, but I prefer when he plays with the ball facing the basket than back to the basket (with the exception of obvious mismatches against smaller guys.)