If not Denver, where does Jokic land in 2023?

[Slim Charlez]

How's his relationship with Masai?

Got him and his family out of Serbia.

[Ducklett]

Orlando with Suggs, Wagner, Banchero, and Wembanyama.

[mtron32]

I just don’t see why Bulls? Getting past any city stuff..

With LaVine max, Bulls don’t have the cap. Unless they trade away some contracts like Williams and Caruso. And to get that cap, it’s letting one of their best players in Vucevic walk for nothing (can’t be traded for any salary or used in S&T if Denver wants him).

DD will be 34. And Ball as teams 2nd best player by then (no offense, Ball is balling).

Surely Jokic would find some place with more talent on roster.

Lavine is better than anyone Jokic has ever played with

Ball is a very good point-guard and shooter and elite defender

Jokic has the connection with the FO

Chicago is a large market and would provide more opportunities for making money while having less pressure/hostile fans than some other large markets.

I never understood the whole "they don't have the cap!" argument two years from now - can you provide a couple modern day examples of a superteam that was unable to form simply due to a lack of capspace? 3-team trades are a thing. If the Bulls need to jettison DDR or Pwill or Vuc in order to pair Lavine/Ball/Jokic , it's entirely worth it. Jokic is a top-3 player right now, you trade almost anyone to acquire him.


He's going nowhere on the Nuggets because of the albatross MPJ and Murray contracts and pairing up with elite scorers and defenders in Chicago isn't a terrible move.

A team with a combo of:

Ball
Caruso
Lavine
Ayo
Jokic

is best or second-best in the East (depending on Kyrie) and would be a legit title contender.

That’s just it (roster wise), Jokic doesn’t want his incoming team to be stripped just for his arrival. He wants to come in and he is the final piece with stars in place around him.

Let’s take my Wolves for example. They have 71M in cap space. They can get that number to 80M by moving JV, and a couple end of roster players (no one Jokic would miss).

Jokic will be signed for like 45M? Wolves can have close to max for a 2nd mid level star or a couple players to supplement Jokic, Towns, and Edwards. And as mentioned in my post above, Wolves have Edwards plus all of their 1sts if Jokic wants to play GM for another star (that package means almost anyone).

I admit Chicago is a better city destination — but Jokic isn’t that kind of star. He doesn’t need a big market. With that said, roster construction will be #1, #2, #3 and so on of importance, city highlights WAY down the list for Jokic.

I will add, if LaVine is Jokic’s main roster attraction to Chicago, Wolves offer Edwards + Beasley (expiring) or Russell (S&T) for LaVine.

Jokic
Towns
Brogdon (MLE or via FA) | McDaniels
LaVine
MLE Vet or FA

Jokic can have both LaVine and Towns shooting in Minnesota.

Why does Chicago make that trade? That's pretty low

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I don't understand why people get this notion of Euro or international players having some sort of weird "ethnic loyalty" or preference when it comes to which NBA franchise they'd theoretically want to play for. Started with this whole rather hilarious Masai/Giannis thing cuz Nigerian blood.

Jokic is Serbian. Luka is Slovenian and played for a pro team in Spain. What other than "they're both Eastern European" makes them close or good friends? I agree with most people in saying his personality makes it seem like he doesn't care about big cities, and if I had to guess, he'd only leave Denver if he really felt like he couldn't win a championship there. Not just blindly go to LA or Miami because he likes beaches.

The players from ex Yugoslavia countires are actually (good) friends. The older generations are still anti neighbour countires, becouse of the war and everything that happened after Tito died, but the younger generations are more and more close(and specially the athletes, basketball players, I recomend you to watch the documentary "Once Brothers",it'll helpyou to understand the brotherhood)

Also Luka is half Serbian, and if you have one drop of Serbian blood you are basically like a "brother" to every Serbian on the planet(I think that the fellow serbs on this forum can confirm that)

And here are some pictures of the Joker and the Don






I think they'll end up playing together sometime during their carrers(maybe even from 2023)

Vuc is at that table……Chicago confirmed.

[p0peye]

he wants to run it with Denver and be the star of that org. Realistically he has a great shot of winning with just Jamal Murray in the playoffs. If MPJ comes back and is even 75% of what he was last year then Denver become immediate favorites to win. If in 2023 Denver is screwed financially because Jamal Murray and MPJ keep suffering injury after injury resulting in complete ruination of their careers, that is what would cause Jokic to leave Denver. Even then a guy like Jokic who never even anticipated getting to this height in his career might just be happy staying in Denver. To be honest the mountainous terrain probably feels familiar because of growing up in Serbia.

If he goes anywhere I believe it would be to team up with Luka. It would be disgusting. Jokic is great at stretching the floor and has a shot for every part of the floor. Luka can basically be Harden and start driving to the rim and kicking it out to Jokic who can either shoot or pass. The offense would be absurd.

Couldn't be farther from truth. Jokić is from Vojvodina, northern quarter of Serbia. That lies in the southeast part of the Pannonian Plain, the plain that remained when the Pliocene Pannonian Sea dried out. This is what Vojvodina looks like:

[p0peye]

How's his relationship with Masai?

Got him and his family out of Serbia.

Is that why he spends every free time he can get in Serbia?

[Richard Miller]

To be honest the mountainous terrain probably feels familiar because of growing up in Serbia.

Where Jokic grew up there is not a mountain in sight, flat as a pancake

[wegotthabeet]

He's coming to Chicago, book it.

I just don’t see why Bulls? Getting past any city stuff..

With LaVine max, Bulls don’t have the cap. Unless they trade away some contracts like Williams and Caruso. And to get that cap, it’s letting one of their best players in Vucevic walk for nothing (can’t be traded for any salary or used in S&T if Denver wants him).

DD will be 34. And Ball as teams 2nd best player by then (no offense, Ball is balling).

Surely Jokic would find some place with more talent on roster.

Lavine is better than anyone Jokic has ever played with

Ball is a very good point-guard and shooter and elite defender

Jokic has the connection with the FO

Chicago is a large market and would provide more opportunities for making money while having less pressure/hostile fans than some other large markets.

I never understood the whole "they don't have the cap!" argument two years from now - can you provide a couple modern day examples of a superteam that was unable to form simply due to a lack of capspace? 3-team trades are a thing. If the Bulls need to jettison DDR or Pwill or Vuc in order to pair Lavine/Ball/Jokic , it's entirely worth it. Jokic is a top-3 player right now, you trade almost anyone to acquire him.

He's going nowhere on the Nuggets because of the albatross MPJ and Murray contracts and pairing up with elite scorers and defenders in Chicago isn't a terrible move.

A team with a combo of:

Ball
Caruso
Lavine
Ayo
Jokic

is best or second-best in the East (depending on Kyrie) and would be a legit title contender.

hmmm that's debatable. He's almost on contract number 3 and has never played a playoff game. 8 seasons and 0 playoff minutes. Zero. I guess we'll find out this year if they do some damage. I know Murray steps it up come playoff time, we'll see if Lavine can do the same.

[Vampirate]

I really don't think he's leaving the Nuggets tbh.

[Bobbymcgee]

The Clippers. With Zubac as his back up at center.

[Lunartic]

I just don’t see why Bulls? Getting past any city stuff..

With LaVine max, Bulls don’t have the cap. Unless they trade away some contracts like Williams and Caruso. And to get that cap, it’s letting one of their best players in Vucevic walk for nothing (can’t be traded for any salary or used in S&T if Denver wants him).

DD will be 34. And Ball as teams 2nd best player by then (no offense, Ball is balling).

Surely Jokic would find some place with more talent on roster.

Lavine is better than anyone Jokic has ever played with

Ball is a very good point-guard and shooter and elite defender

Jokic has the connection with the FO

Chicago is a large market and would provide more opportunities for making money while having less pressure/hostile fans than some other large markets.

I never understood the whole "they don't have the cap!" argument two years from now - can you provide a couple modern day examples of a superteam that was unable to form simply due to a lack of capspace? 3-team trades are a thing. If the Bulls need to jettison DDR or Pwill or Vuc in order to pair Lavine/Ball/Jokic , it's entirely worth it. Jokic is a top-3 player right now, you trade almost anyone to acquire him.

He's going nowhere on the Nuggets because of the albatross MPJ and Murray contracts and pairing up with elite scorers and defenders in Chicago isn't a terrible move.

A team with a combo of:

Ball
Caruso
Lavine
Ayo
Jokic

is best or second-best in the East (depending on Kyrie) and would be a legit title contender.

hmmm that's debatable. He's almost on contract number 3 and has never played a playoff game. 8 seasons and 0 playoff minutes. Zero. I guess we'll find out this year if they do some damage. I know Murray steps it up come playoff time, we'll see if Lavine can do the same.

No, it's really not debatable.

Murray is probably his best teammate - so far his best year he averaged
21/4/4 .590TS with poor defense

Zach put up
27/5/5 .634 TS on poor defense

Zach has improved to being average on defense and even during a slightly down scoring year he's averaging more ppg on better efficiency than Murray ever has.

Very very few players have ever averaged 27+ on .600 TS.

Unless you're suggesting there's another Nugget's player thats better than Murray/Lavine?

[Mickey8]

I just don’t see why Bulls? Getting past any city stuff..

With LaVine max, Bulls don’t have the cap. Unless they trade away some contracts like Williams and Caruso. And to get that cap, it’s letting one of their best players in Vucevic walk for nothing (can’t be traded for any salary or used in S&T if Denver wants him).

DD will be 34. And Ball as teams 2nd best player by then (no offense, Ball is balling).

Surely Jokic would find some place with more talent on roster.

Lavine is better than anyone Jokic has ever played with

Ball is a very good point-guard and shooter and elite defender

Jokic has the connection with the FO

Chicago is a large market and would provide more opportunities for making money while having less pressure/hostile fans than some other large markets.

I never understood the whole "they don't have the cap!" argument two years from now - can you provide a couple modern day examples of a superteam that was unable to form simply due to a lack of capspace? 3-team trades are a thing. If the Bulls need to jettison DDR or Pwill or Vuc in order to pair Lavine/Ball/Jokic , it's entirely worth it. Jokic is a top-3 player right now, you trade almost anyone to acquire him.


He's going nowhere on the Nuggets because of the albatross MPJ and Murray contracts and pairing up with elite scorers and defenders in Chicago isn't a terrible move.

A team with a combo of:

Ball
Caruso
Lavine
Ayo
Jokic

is best or second-best in the East (depending on Kyrie) and would be a legit title contender.

That’s just it (roster wise), Jokic doesn’t want his incoming team to be stripped just for his arrival. He wants to come in and he is the final piece with stars in place around him.

Let’s take my Wolves for example. They have 71M in cap space. They can get that number to 80M by moving JV, and a couple end of roster players (no one Jokic would miss).

Jokic will be signed for like 45M? Wolves can have close to max for a 2nd mid level star or a couple players to supplement Jokic, Towns, and Edwards. And as mentioned in my post above, Wolves have Edwards plus all of their 1sts if Jokic wants to play GM for another star (that package means almost anyone).

I admit Chicago is a better city destination — but Jokic isn’t that kind of star. He doesn’t need a big market. With that said, roster construction will be #1, #2, #3 and so on of importance, city highlights WAY down the list for Jokic.

I will add, if LaVine is Jokic’s main roster attraction to Chicago, Wolves offer Edwards + Beasley (expiring) or Russell (S&T) for LaVine.

Jokic
Towns
Brogdon (MLE or via FA) | McDaniels
LaVine
MLE Vet or FA

Jokic can have both LaVine and Towns shooting in Minnesota.

I dont think Jokic and Towns would coexist together on the court.

[Wolveswin]

Lavine is better than anyone Jokic has ever played with

Ball is a very good point-guard and shooter and elite defender

Jokic has the connection with the FO

Chicago is a large market and would provide more opportunities for making money while having less pressure/hostile fans than some other large markets.

I never understood the whole "they don't have the cap!" argument two years from now - can you provide a couple modern day examples of a superteam that was unable to form simply due to a lack of capspace? 3-team trades are a thing. If the Bulls need to jettison DDR or Pwill or Vuc in order to pair Lavine/Ball/Jokic , it's entirely worth it. Jokic is a top-3 player right now, you trade almost anyone to acquire him.


He's going nowhere on the Nuggets because of the albatross MPJ and Murray contracts and pairing up with elite scorers and defenders in Chicago isn't a terrible move.

A team with a combo of:

Ball
Caruso
Lavine
Ayo
Jokic

is best or second-best in the East (depending on Kyrie) and would be a legit title contender.

That’s just it (roster wise), Jokic doesn’t want his incoming team to be stripped just for his arrival. He wants to come in and he is the final piece with stars in place around him.

Let’s take my Wolves for example. They have 71M in cap space. They can get that number to 80M by moving JV, and a couple end of roster players (no one Jokic would miss).

Jokic will be signed for like 45M? Wolves can have close to max for a 2nd mid level star or a couple players to supplement Jokic, Towns, and Edwards. And as mentioned in my post above, Wolves have Edwards plus all of their 1sts if Jokic wants to play GM for another star (that package means almost anyone).

I admit Chicago is a better city destination — but Jokic isn’t that kind of star. He doesn’t need a big market. With that said, roster construction will be #1, #2, #3 and so on of importance, city highlights WAY down the list for Jokic.

I will add, if LaVine is Jokic’s main roster attraction to Chicago, Wolves offer Edwards + Beasley (expiring) or Russell (S&T) for LaVine.

Jokic
Towns
Brogdon (MLE or via FA) | McDaniels
LaVine
MLE Vet or FA

Jokic can have both LaVine and Towns shooting in Minnesota.

I dont think Jokic and Towns would coexist together on the court.

Bold statement and not providing any reason why carries no weight.

[R-DAWG]

I hear that he will be forming a Big 3 with the Morris brothers.

[Mickey8]

Lavine is better than anyone Jokic has ever played with

Ball is a very good point-guard and shooter and elite defender

Jokic has the connection with the FO

Chicago is a large market and would provide more opportunities for making money while having less pressure/hostile fans than some other large markets.

I never understood the whole "they don't have the cap!" argument two years from now - can you provide a couple modern day examples of a superteam that was unable to form simply due to a lack of capspace? 3-team trades are a thing. If the Bulls need to jettison DDR or Pwill or Vuc in order to pair Lavine/Ball/Jokic , it's entirely worth it. Jokic is a top-3 player right now, you trade almost anyone to acquire him.


He's going nowhere on the Nuggets because of the albatross MPJ and Murray contracts and pairing up with elite scorers and defenders in Chicago isn't a terrible move.

A team with a combo of:

Ball
Caruso
Lavine
Ayo
Jokic

is best or second-best in the East (depending on Kyrie) and would be a legit title contender.

That’s just it (roster wise), Jokic doesn’t want his incoming team to be stripped just for his arrival. He wants to come in and he is the final piece with stars in place around him.

Let’s take my Wolves for example. They have 71M in cap space. They can get that number to 80M by moving JV, and a couple end of roster players (no one Jokic would miss).

Jokic will be signed for like 45M? Wolves can have close to max for a 2nd mid level star or a couple players to supplement Jokic, Towns, and Edwards. And as mentioned in my post above, Wolves have Edwards plus all of their 1sts if Jokic wants to play GM for another star (that package means almost anyone).

I admit Chicago is a better city destination — but Jokic isn’t that kind of star. He doesn’t need a big market. With that said, roster construction will be #1, #2, #3 and so on of importance, city highlights WAY down the list for Jokic.

I will add, if LaVine is Jokic’s main roster attraction to Chicago, Wolves offer Edwards + Beasley (expiring) or Russell (S&T) for LaVine.

Jokic
Towns
Brogdon (MLE or via FA) | McDaniels
LaVine
MLE Vet or FA

Jokic can have both LaVine and Towns shooting in Minnesota.

I dont think Jokic and Towns would coexist together on the court.

Jokic couldn't operate with Nurkic on the court, with Plumlee as well , its way to crowded for him to play alongside another center.

[Synciere]

Why leave? He'll be eligible for one of the biggest contracts in sports' history. Take the money and run run run!!!!

[dhsilv2]

lol why are the Lakers an option...Jokic is the least hollywood superstar ever lol

61 mil in cap space

also, caruso is the least hollywood superstar ever and the fans went bananas over him

I wasn't aware Caruso hated being on the lakers. Interesting info and good to know.

[dhsilv2]

That’s just it (roster wise), Jokic doesn’t want his incoming team to be stripped just for his arrival. He wants to come in and he is the final piece with stars in place around him.

Let’s take my Wolves for example. They have 71M in cap space. They can get that number to 80M by moving JV, and a couple end of roster players (no one Jokic would miss).

Jokic will be signed for like 45M? Wolves can have close to max for a 2nd mid level star or a couple players to supplement Jokic, Towns, and Edwards. And as mentioned in my post above, Wolves have Edwards plus all of their 1sts if Jokic wants to play GM for another star (that package means almost anyone).

I admit Chicago is a better city destination — but Jokic isn’t that kind of star. He doesn’t need a big market. With that said, roster construction will be #1, #2, #3 and so on of importance, city highlights WAY down the list for Jokic.

I will add, if LaVine is Jokic’s main roster attraction to Chicago, Wolves offer Edwards + Beasley (expiring) or Russell (S&T) for LaVine.

Jokic
Towns
Brogdon (MLE or via FA) | McDaniels
LaVine
MLE Vet or FA

Jokic can have both LaVine and Towns shooting in Minnesota.

I dont think Jokic and Towns would coexist together on the court.

Jokic couldn't operate with Nurkic on the court, with Plumlee as well , its way to crowded for him to play alongside another center.

KAT's a 40%+ 3 point shooter who takes them on volume. Not really comparable players here.

[Mickey8]

He's still a big body , he's a center , and he needs the ball in his hands like Jokic needs it, because they are both offensive players.

[Dr Aki]

lol why are the Lakers an option...Jokic is the least hollywood superstar ever lol

61 mil in cap space

also, caruso is the least hollywood superstar ever and the fans went bananas over him

I wasn't aware Caruso hated being on the lakers. Interesting info and good to know.

you might be confusing/conflating the meaning of going bananas (a good thing), vs going ape **** (a bad thing)