Game 21: Minnesota Timberwolves vs Indiana Pacers (7:00pm Central)

[KGdaBom]

Problem is you foul a lot of the time when reaching in, and you often can't be in a good defensive stance when you shift your center of gravity forward when reaching for the ball. How many times have you seen a defender reach in, and the ball handler recognizes it and decides to successfully cross him over right at that moment?

Most guys are not good enough at stealing the ball like that in order to justify the defensive breakdowns caused by reach ins.

Thank you. So does that mean there is no foul for reaching in? It's not a real thing?

Ofc not, it's a foul only if you hit the player's body part while reaching in.

Thanks again. I have heard the term reach in foul since high school 45 years ago. They shouldn't call it that if reaching in isn't a foul. How about the hand being part of the ball thing? That sounds like BS to me too. If you hit their hand going for a steal or block it should be a foul IMO.

[FinnTheHuman]

Thank you. So does that mean there is no foul for reaching in? It's not a real thing?

Ofc not, it's a foul only if you hit the player's body part while reaching in.

Thanks again. I have heard the term reach in foul since high school 45 years ago. They shouldn't call it that if reaching in isn't a foul. How about the hand being part of the ball thing? That sounds like BS to me too. If you hit their hand going for a steal or block it should be a foul IMO.

https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/

The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.

If the hand is on the ball, when you hit it, it's considered a part of the ball. I'm pretty sure a lot of the blocks by our guards and wings this season have been about them smacking the jump shooter's hand from behind when he crosses them and stops to shoot the midrange. All those Ant's, Okogie's, DLo's, Beasley's blocks are possible because of this rule I think. I think this rule comes into play most often when the defender is behind the shooter.

But I doubt refs can really see whether the hand was in contact with the ball in the dribbling situations in the moment of the reach-in, so it is rare for refs not to call a foul when a defender smacks the ball handler's hand when reaching in.

[KGdaBom]

Ofc not, it's a foul only if you hit the player's body part while reaching in.

Thanks again. I have heard the term reach in foul since high school 45 years ago. They shouldn't call it that if reaching in isn't a foul. How about the hand being part of the ball thing? That sounds like BS to me too. If you hit their hand going for a steal or block it should be a foul IMO.

https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/

The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.

If the hand is on the ball, when you hit it, it's considered a part of the ball. I'm pretty sure a lot of the blocks by our guards and wings this season have been about them smacking the jump shooter's hand from behind when he crosses them and stops to shoot the midrange. All those Ant's, Okogie's, DLo's, Beasley's blocks are possible because of this rule I think. I think this rule comes into play most often when the defender is behind the shooter.

But I doubt refs can really see whether the hand was in contact with the ball in the dribbling situations in the moment of the reach-in, so it is rare for refs not to call a foul when a defender smacks the ball handler's hand when reaching in.

To me that is seriously messed up. It should never be OK to strike the opposing players hand. If you can't get the block or steal all ball than you just don't get the block or steal.

[FinnTheHuman]

Thanks again. I have heard the term reach in foul since high school 45 years ago. They shouldn't call it that if reaching in isn't a foul. How about the hand being part of the ball thing? That sounds like BS to me too. If you hit their hand going for a steal or block it should be a foul IMO.

https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/

The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.

If the hand is on the ball, when you hit it, it's considered a part of the ball. I'm pretty sure a lot of the blocks by our guards and wings this season have been about them smacking the jump shooter's hand from behind when he crosses them and stops to shoot the midrange. All those Ant's, Okogie's, DLo's, Beasley's blocks are possible because of this rule I think. I think this rule comes into play most often when the defender is behind the shooter.

But I doubt refs can really see whether the hand was in contact with the ball in the dribbling situations in the moment of the reach-in, so it is rare for refs not to call a foul when a defender smacks the ball handler's hand when reaching in.

To me that is seriously messed up. It should never be OK to strike the opposing players hand. If you can't get the block or steal all ball than you just don't get the block or steal.

I get where you're coming from, but it's always been this way. It encourages going for the blocks, and fans do love to see blocks, so I get why the NBA has the rules this way. And steals -> fastbreaks -> highlight dunks, so steals are good for the league too.