Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[zoyathedestroya]

Ime's defensive system so good the Celtics moved up two spots in defensive rating from 6th to 4th* on their off day. Once we start hitting those shots in 2027, our offense can finally catch up and we'll be a force to reckon with.

*per cleaningtheglass.com

[ParticleMan]

The Jays have 11 total assists to each other. That's 1 per game. Is this by design? Lol. You can get an assist just by accident.

I'm now on the pier waiting for my dinghy to Break the Jays Up Island. Ready to get flamed.

What's the best we can get for Jaylen++? Someone who's a better fit on both ends?

Jaylen+Rob for Beal+Gafford.

once the Wiz start coming back to earth, i expect this to be the hot stove's hottest take.

i love jaylen but tbh i'd probably do this.

[zoyathedestroya]

During the last 10 games, only 4 players registered a 30%+ assist percentage on less than 20% usage -- Killian Hayes, Lowry, Draymond, and Marcus Smart. He also averaged nearly 2 steals per game, 12 potential assists per game, nearly 4:1 assist-to-turnover ratio, and almost league average TS% (for those who still care about his shooting %) during that span.

Same period, Smart averaged 12.8 drives per game (only Schroder averaged more) with a 56.1% FG% (only Schroder shot higher %).

Again, his impact on BOTH ends goes beyond these numbers but if numbers are what it takes for more people to appreciate his game, so be it hehe.

[sam_I_am]

During the last 10 games, only 4 players registered a 30%+ assist percentage on less than 20% usage -- Killian Hayes, Lowry, Draymond, and Marcus Smart. He also averaged nearly 2 steals per game, 12 potential assists per game, nearly 4:1 assist-to-turnover ratio, and almost league average TS% (for those who still care about his shooting %) during that span.

Same period, Smart averaged 12.8 drives per game (only Schroder averaged more) with a 56.1% FG% (only Schroder shot higher %).

Again, his impact on BOTH ends goes beyond these numbers but if numbers are what it takes for more people to appreciate his game, so be it hehe.

Smart definitely does a lot of great things outside of the boxscore stats. But realistically, the box score stats are so below average. With him, there is always a chance to fight back from a deficit to win a game. But does having him out there also mean losing games that should be winnable because of 25-30% shooting? Is there a high floor with him but also a cap as to how good this team can be? I think we will find out as this season develops. Personally I want the Smart-Brown-Tatum-Timelord nucleus to work out for another 5 years.

[FlatearthZorro]

During the last 10 games, only 4 players registered a 30%+ assist percentage on less than 20% usage -- Killian Hayes, Lowry, Draymond, and Marcus Smart. He also averaged nearly 2 steals per game, 12 potential assists per game, nearly 4:1 assist-to-turnover ratio, and almost league average TS% (for those who still care about his shooting %) during that span.

Same period, Smart averaged 12.8 drives per game (only Schroder averaged more) with a 56.1% FG% (only Schroder shot higher %).

Again, his impact on BOTH ends goes beyond these numbers but if numbers are what it takes for more people to appreciate his game, so be it hehe.

Smart definitely does a lot of great things outside of the boxscore stats. But realistically, the box score stats are so below average. With him, there is always a chance to fight back from a deficit to win a game. But does having him out there also mean losing games that should be winnable because of 25-30% shooting? Is there a high floor with him but also a cap as to how good this team can be? I think we will find out as this season develops. Personally I want the Smart-Brown-Tatum-Timelord nucleus to work out for another 5 years.

Please, stop with the Smart bull. He's had like 5 good games so far. He's shooting 5.1 3s a game and making 1.5, 390 from the field, .285 from 3. His defensive win shares is at a career low 1. His best contribution so far is his assists, 5.7 to 1.9 TOs.
Smart's been AWFUL so far. Stop looking for a way to glorify him.
Our best, most consistent players so far have been Horford, Brown, Bobby and Schroeder.
Still hoping Tatum gets to around .440 from the field. He's shooting below .400 from the field and .316 from 3 on 8(!!!!!) attempts.
Richardson and Grant deserve a shoutout as our main bench guys(Freedom has been good in short spurts, too as our 2nd-3rd big man).

[FlatearthZorro]

The Jays have 11 total assists to each other. That's 1 per game. Is this by design? Lol. You can get an assist just by accident.

I'm now on the pier waiting for my dinghy to Break the Jays Up Island. Ready to get flamed.

What's the best we can get for Jaylen++? Someone who's a better fit on both ends?

Jaylen+Rob for Beal+Gafford.

once the Wiz start coming back to earth, i expect this to be the hot stove's hottest take.

i love jaylen but tbh i'd probably do this.

You'd have to think about it for sure. Brown, still has better potential than Beal. He might not be the scorer Beal is or the passer, but he's capable of scoring 24-25 on great efficiency and playing much better, more versatile defense.
Beal is a better fit here for sure as he can pass much better than Jaylen. That's the one area Jaylen hasn't shown much improvement. He's averaging 2.3 assists to 2.5 TOs...

[zoyathedestroya]

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Mentioned this a couple of weeks back. Celtics went from being 1st in offensive efficiency off live turnovers last season to 29th (now 30th) this season. Leaving some easy points on the table.

[Larry_Russell]

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Mentioned this a couple of weeks back. Celtics went from being 1st in offensive efficiency off live turnovers last season to 29th (now 30th) this season. Leaving some easy points on the table.

Must be marcus smarts fault right? /sarcasm

[Larry_Russell]

Looking at the teams shooting numbers and what players are way off their normal 3pt shotong numbers really makes me feel that the season openning switch all defense has raken the legs out from our guys.

[Half-Full]

During the last 10 games, only 4 players registered a 30%+ assist percentage on less than 20% usage -- Killian Hayes, Lowry, Draymond, and Marcus Smart. He also averaged nearly 2 steals per game, 12 potential assists per game, nearly 4:1 assist-to-turnover ratio, and almost league average TS% (for those who still care about his shooting %) during that span.

Same period, Smart averaged 12.8 drives per game (only Schroder averaged more) with a 56.1% FG% (only Schroder shot higher %).

Again, his impact on BOTH ends goes beyond these numbers but if numbers are what it takes for more people to appreciate his game, so be it hehe.

Smart definitely does a lot of great things outside of the boxscore stats. But realistically, the box score stats are so below average. With him, there is always a chance to fight back from a deficit to win a game. But does having him out there also mean losing games that should be winnable because of 25-30% shooting? Is there a high floor with him but also a cap as to how good this team can be? I think we will find out as this season develops. Personally I want the Smart-Brown-Tatum-Timelord nucleus to work out for another 5 years.

Please, stop with the Smart bull. He's had like 5 good games so far. He's shooting 5.1 3s a game and making 1.5, 390 from the field, .285 from 3. His defensive win shares is at a career low 1. His best contribution so far is his assists, 5.7 to 1.9 TOs.
Smart's been AWFUL so far. Stop looking for a way to glorify him.
Our best, most consistent players so far have been Horford, Brown, Bobby and Schroeder.
Still hoping Tatum gets to around .440 from the field. He's shooting below .400 from the field and .316 from 3 on 8(!!!!!) attempts.
Richardson and Grant deserve a shoutout as our main bench guys(Freedom has been good in short spurts, too as our 2nd-3rd big man).

Smart's shooting has never been a strong suit, but we are not losing games because of his poor shooting. We are losing games because of the team's poor shooting. If you don't like Smart's game, OK, but in no way is it AWFUL. And, as Zoya and others have said, his impact goes beyond numbers. You watch the games, but can't see that?

[FlatearthZorro]

Smart definitely does a lot of great things outside of the boxscore stats. But realistically, the box score stats are so below average. With him, there is always a chance to fight back from a deficit to win a game. But does having him out there also mean losing games that should be winnable because of 25-30% shooting? Is there a high floor with him but also a cap as to how good this team can be? I think we will find out as this season develops. Personally I want the Smart-Brown-Tatum-Timelord nucleus to work out for another 5 years.

Please, stop with the Smart bull. He's had like 5 good games so far. He's shooting 5.1 3s a game and making 1.5, 390 from the field, .285 from 3. His defensive win shares is at a career low 1. His best contribution so far is his assists, 5.7 to 1.9 TOs.
Smart's been AWFUL so far. Stop looking for a way to glorify him.
Our best, most consistent players so far have been Horford, Brown, Bobby and Schroeder.
Still hoping Tatum gets to around .440 from the field. He's shooting below .400 from the field and .316 from 3 on 8(!!!!!) attempts.
Richardson and Grant deserve a shoutout as our main bench guys(Freedom has been good in short spurts, too as our 2nd-3rd big man).

Smart's shooting has never been a strong suit, but we are not losing games because of his poor shooting. We are losing games because of the team's poor shooting. If you don't like Smart's game, OK, but in no way is it AWFUL. And, as Zoya and others have said, his impact goes beyond numbers. You watch the games, but can't see that?

Bro, neither his defensive or offensive stats are good(sans assist numbers). I don't know, how I can see that. We're watching different games. As I wrote, he's had 5 good games. He's making 3.9 shots out of 10 and is missing around 5 trees a game, along with pretty bad advanced defensive stats. You guys always manage to see the "value" in Smart. I really wish Smart was on another team, so this board could get a reality check.

[Larry_Russell]

Please, stop with the Smart bull. He's had like 5 good games so far. He's shooting 5.1 3s a game and making 1.5, 390 from the field, .285 from 3. His defensive win shares is at a career low 1. His best contribution so far is his assists, 5.7 to 1.9 TOs.
Smart's been AWFUL so far. Stop looking for a way to glorify him.
Our best, most consistent players so far have been Horford, Brown, Bobby and Schroeder.
Still hoping Tatum gets to around .440 from the field. He's shooting below .400 from the field and .316 from 3 on 8(!!!!!) attempts.
Richardson and Grant deserve a shoutout as our main bench guys(Freedom has been good in short spurts, too as our 2nd-3rd big man).

Smart's shooting has never been a strong suit, but we are not losing games because of his poor shooting. We are losing games because of the team's poor shooting. If you don't like Smart's game, OK, but in no way is it AWFUL. And, as Zoya and others have said, his impact goes beyond numbers. You watch the games, but can't see that?

Bro, neither his defensive or offensive stats are good(sans assist numbers). I don't know, how I can see that. We're watching different games. As I wrote, he's had 5 good games. He's making 3.9 shots out of 10 and is missing around 5 trees a game, along with pretty bad advanced defensive stats. You guys always manage to see the "value" in Smart. I really wish Smart was on another team, so this board could get a reality check.

Potential assists are up
Assists are up
On off numbers are up
Corner 3s attempted are up (25%)
Corner 3 % is over 50%

What hurts his shooting is above the break 3s which he does shot too many.

Also playing off ball with schroder at pg really hurts his offense.


All statistics show marcus has massive on court impact.

[Feed Your Head]

Please, stop with the Smart bull. He's had like 5 good games so far. He's shooting 5.1 3s a game and making 1.5, 390 from the field, .285 from 3. His defensive win shares is at a career low 1. His best contribution so far is his assists, 5.7 to 1.9 TOs.
Smart's been AWFUL so far. Stop looking for a way to glorify him.
Our best, most consistent players so far have been Horford, Brown, Bobby and Schroeder.
Still hoping Tatum gets to around .440 from the field. He's shooting below .400 from the field and .316 from 3 on 8(!!!!!) attempts.
Richardson and Grant deserve a shoutout as our main bench guys(Freedom has been good in short spurts, too as our 2nd-3rd big man).

Smart's shooting has never been a strong suit, but we are not losing games because of his poor shooting. We are losing games because of the team's poor shooting. If you don't like Smart's game, OK, but in no way is it AWFUL. And, as Zoya and others have said, his impact goes beyond numbers. You watch the games, but can't see that?

Bro, neither his defensive or offensive stats are good(sans assist numbers). I don't know, how I can see that. We're watching different games. As I wrote, he's had 5 good games. He's making 3.9 shots out of 10 and is missing around 5 trees a game, along with pretty bad advanced defensive stats. You guys always manage to see the "value" in Smart. I really wish Smart was on another team, so this board could get a reality check.

Using defensive win shares is funny, mostly because it’s cumulative, and goes up as the season goes. So of course it’s a career low so far, it’s been 21 games lmao. You should learn how stats work before making false assumptions based on them. Also, he’s second on the team behind Tatum in defensive win shares. Considering we have the 5th best defense in the league….being second on the team clearly shows his defense has been excellent.

Anyone who pretends to think that Smart hasn’t been incredible defensively this year is either blindly hating, or just blind.

Please show me these advanced stats that show him bad defensively. Because he’s top 20 in the league in defensive EPM, is in the 91st percentile in DBPM, 85th percentile in defensive RAPTOR. Once the other advanced stats drop soon, I can guarantee he will grade out elite in those too.

Lastly, it’s pretty crazy how the offensive rating drops 10 points when Smart sits, if he was hurting the team on that end.

[Feed Your Head]

[BK_2020]

Looking at the teams shooting numbers and what players are way off their normal 3pt shotong numbers really makes me feel that the season openning switch all defense has raken the legs out from our guys.

Stevens switched everything.

[FlatearthZorro]

Wouldn't that be considered flaming if I posted something at you and then this same gif? I thought you were the PC woke police here. I'm shocked.
Anyways, I still maintain that the guy is nowhere near worth 20 mils and I'm judging him as a 20 mil a year player. I like his passing tho.

[zoyathedestroya]

Looking at the teams shooting numbers and what players are way off their normal 3pt shotong numbers really makes me feel that the season openning switch all defense has raken the legs out from our guys.

Stevens switched everything.

1. While we're still switch heavy, we're no longer switching everything.
2. At least from my perspective, switching is the "laziest" type of defense in the sense that defenders don't have to move much. You're defending an area on the court more than an individual opponent. You "hand off" the guy you're initially defending to someone else depending on their movement. You don't run around chasing shooters and you don't fight through screens. You literally have to move/work less.
3. The mouth should move more than your legs in a switching scheme.
4. Cs are one of the "slowest" teams on defense. I don't think we consume as much energy there compared to other teams.
5. If having to work defensively indeed makes their shooting stink, maybe team needs to work on their conditioning.

[Feed Your Head]

Wouldn't that be considered flaming if I posted something at you and then this same gif? I thought you were the PC woke police here. I'm shocked.
Anyways, I still maintain that the guy is nowhere near worth 20 mils and I'm judging him as a 20 mil a year player. I like his passing tho.

Honestly, I don’t care what people say to me. I’m never ever going to warn or report posters for anything toward me. But you’re telling everyone to stop with the “Smart bull”, saying everyone needs a reality check, and saying how AWFUL he is based on stats you clearly don’t have a full grasp of. That’s crap, and you know it.

As far as his shooting, he was brutal to start the year. But over the last 15 games, he has a 54% TS, and with efficiency down across the league, that’s good enough for him. The three ball will get better you’d think, but what I’ve loved is how much he has committed to driving the ball, he’s third in the team in drives to the rim per game, behind Dennis and Tatum. That forces the defense to collapse, and it’s gotten other guys wide open looks.

I get you dislike Smart, and don’t think he’s very good, but since the first 5ish games, he’s been pretty damn excellent on both ends.

[Half-Full]

Wouldn't that be considered flaming if I posted something at you and then this same gif? I thought you were the PC woke police here. I'm shocked.
Anyways, I still maintain that the guy is nowhere near worth 20 mils and I'm judging him as a 20 mil a year player. I like his passing tho.

Honestly, I don’t care what people say to me. I’m never ever going to warn or report posters for anything toward me. But you’re telling everyone to stop with the “Smart bull”, saying everyone needs a reality check, and saying how AWFUL he is based on stats you clearly don’t have a full grasp of. That’s crap, and you know it.

As far as his shooting, he was brutal to start the year. But over the last 15 games, he has a 54% TS, and with efficiency down across the league, that’s good enough for him. The three ball will get better you’d think, but what I’ve loved is how much he has committed to driving the ball, he’s third in the team in drives to the rim per game, behind Dennis and Tatum. That forces the defense to collapse, and it’s gotten other guys wide open looks.

I get you dislike Smart, and don’t think he’s very good, but since the first 5ish games, he’s been pretty damn excellent on both ends.

Also worth mentioning that he is averaging two steals per game. And how can anyone not appreciate the fact that he can guard just about anyone 1-5? This highlight compilation of Marcus guarding bigs is from the 2019/20 season, but he still does this stuff. Watch any game.

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Porzingis brought up his struggles vs. Smart when I spoke to him during Mavs training camp: "Earlier in my career, smaller guys like Marcus Smart would get me off balance. But now I feel comfortable playing against a smaller guy."

Not true yet this year.

I had a little trouble finding that quote because of how many different articles mention Porzingis' difficulties scoring on Smart.