If not Denver, where does Jokic land in 2023?

[Clyde Frazier]

Even with the injury history of his teammates I doubt he leaves. He definitely cares about winning, but also feel like he has the "these are the cards I've been dealt" mindset. He probably likes the lack of national media attention he gets in Denver.

All that said, sure he could end up leaving. Spurs is an interesting possibility.

[Mickey8]

I dont think Spurs make any sense, Popovich is leaving soon , I don't think Jokic would be interested in another rebuilding , he either stays in Denver or he he will team up with another star.

[dhsilv2]

61 mil in cap space

also, caruso is the least hollywood superstar ever and the fans went bananas over him

I wasn't aware Caruso hated being on the lakers. Interesting info and good to know.

you might be confusing/conflating the meaning of going bananas (a good thing), vs going ape **** (a bad thing)

I'm confused why fans matter in the context of someone not being "hollywood", meaning they don't like attention, notoriety, or effectively being in the lime light. AKA - a person who would not want to live or work in LA as a celebrity.

[dhsilv2]

I dont think Spurs make any sense, Popovich is leaving soon , I don't think Jokic would be interested in another rebuilding , he either stays in Denver or he he will team up with another star.

Spurs were a winning team as far back as you can get. Here's every season they've missed the playoffs since their inception in 1968 as the Dallas Chaparrals.

1973
1984
1987
1989
1997
2020
2021

That's it!

[dhsilv2]

He's still a big body , he's a center , and he needs the ball in his hands like Jokic needs it, because they are both offensive players.

Not really. KAT's a deadly off ball player because of his shooting. Jokic being a point would be great getting him the ball. Imagine those two in pick and rolls for example. Nether need to play inside and both are great insider as well. And at the same time you can use them BOTH as stretch big to let wings drive to the basket. They'd honestly be a cheat code. They're like a tall version of Steph and Klay. The Splash Giants

[Mickey8]

I dont think Spurs make any sense, Popovich is leaving soon , I don't think Jokic would be interested in another rebuilding , he either stays in Denver or he he will team up with another star.

Spurs were a winning team as far back as you can get. Here's every season they've missed the playoffs since their inception in 1968 as the Dallas Chaparrals.

1973
1984
1987
1989
1997
2020
2021

That's it!

Their roster looks weak now , unless they can lure some big name there, which I doubt , I don't see them being relevant anytime soon, especially with Popovich leaving, the only person who could drawn Jokic to San Antonio is Popovich himself and he will be gone next season.

[Coeur]

Jamal Murray is the most under rated part of this whole premise.

[wegotthabeet]

Lavine is better than anyone Jokic has ever played with

Ball is a very good point-guard and shooter and elite defender

Jokic has the connection with the FO

Chicago is a large market and would provide more opportunities for making money while having less pressure/hostile fans than some other large markets.

I never understood the whole "they don't have the cap!" argument two years from now - can you provide a couple modern day examples of a superteam that was unable to form simply due to a lack of capspace? 3-team trades are a thing. If the Bulls need to jettison DDR or Pwill or Vuc in order to pair Lavine/Ball/Jokic , it's entirely worth it. Jokic is a top-3 player right now, you trade almost anyone to acquire him.

He's going nowhere on the Nuggets because of the albatross MPJ and Murray contracts and pairing up with elite scorers and defenders in Chicago isn't a terrible move.

A team with a combo of:

Ball
Caruso
Lavine
Ayo
Jokic

is best or second-best in the East (depending on Kyrie) and would be a legit title contender.

hmmm that's debatable. He's almost on contract number 3 and has never played a playoff game. 8 seasons and 0 playoff minutes. Zero. I guess we'll find out this year if they do some damage. I know Murray steps it up come playoff time, we'll see if Lavine can do the same.

No, it's really not debatable.

Murray is probably his best teammate - so far his best year he averaged
21/4/4 .590TS with poor defense

Zach put up
27/5/5 .634 TS on poor defense

Zach has improved to being average on defense and even during a slightly down scoring year he's averaging more ppg on better efficiency than Murray ever has.

Very very few players have ever averaged 27+ on .600 TS.

Unless you're suggesting there's another Nugget's player thats better than Murray/Lavine?

Yeah it's debatable. I'm suggesting that Lavine hasn't done anything in the playoffs and Murray has. I like Lavine, but I want to see those type of stats in meaningful games. 8 seasons without a playoff game doesn't go unnoticed. If he can replicate that type of production in the post season then I'll agree with you. Until then his stats are meaningless to me. He's been a first option on lottery teams up until now.

[Lunartic]

hmmm that's debatable. He's almost on contract number 3 and has never played a playoff game. 8 seasons and 0 playoff minutes. Zero. I guess we'll find out this year if they do some damage. I know Murray steps it up come playoff time, we'll see if Lavine can do the same.

No, it's really not debatable.

Murray is probably his best teammate - so far his best year he averaged
21/4/4 .590TS with poor defense

Zach put up
27/5/5 .634 TS on poor defense

Zach has improved to being average on defense and even during a slightly down scoring year he's averaging more ppg on better efficiency than Murray ever has.

Very very few players have ever averaged 27+ on .600 TS.

Unless you're suggesting there's another Nugget's player thats better than Murray/Lavine?

Yeah it's debatable. I'm suggesting that Lavine hasn't done anything in the playoffs and Murray has. I like Lavine, but I want to see those type of stats in meaningful games. 8 seasons without a playoff game doesn't go unnoticed. If he can replicate that type of production in the post season then I'll agree with you. Until then his stats are meaningless to me. He's been a first option on lottery teams up until now.

Having good games in the playoffs doesn't make an inferior player better than a clearly superior player.
Murray has never ever been asked to carry his team offensively and always had a superior player that could get him space + get him shots.

Other than playing some extra games at the end of the season, what metrics are you using to determine Murray is better than Lavine? Every single poster on this board + every single GM would take Zach over Murray in a heartbeat.

How exactly does a player making the playoffs on a far better team make them a better player than someone with better stats/ability/accolades? Murray has never even made an all-star game.

[KuruptedCav]

He’s coming to the Cavaliers, he’ll make an excellent SG with Allen, Mobley, and Markkanen at the C, PF, and SF spots. Position-less basketball coming to the Land


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[Richard Miller]

How exactly does a player making the playoffs on a far better team make them a better player than someone with better stats/ability/accolades? Murray has never even made an all-star game.

Yea, to make it to AS game he only had to be better than Steph/Harden/Lillard, very easy Aynway, the best thing about Murray is his synergy with Jokic, when their two-man game is firing it's best in the league level.

[GunnerWRX]

The Warriors so realGM will complain 24/7.

[Lunartic]

How exactly does a player making the playoffs on a far better team make them a better player than someone with better stats/ability/accolades? Murray has never even made an all-star game.

Yea, to make it to AS game he only had to be better than Steph/Harden/Lillard, very easy Aynway, the best thing about Murray is his synergy with Jokic, when their two-man game is firing it's best in the league level.

Well Lavine is arguably better than Lillard this season but I agree and don't really hold it against Murray. He still isn't better than Lavine.

[Warriorfan]

Surrounded by shooters and a help defender in Green GS would be a great fit.

Passing egoless basketball.
A resigned Wiggins and Wiseman Den cupboard would not be bare.

[giannis and 1]

Hopefully Denver.

[giannis and 1]

A resigned Wiggins and Wiseman Den cupboard would not be bare.

Lol good one

[PlayerUp]

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[One Last Shot]

Jokic should leave if he wants to win multiple rings. Nuggets have dead money on MPJ while we don't know how Murray turns out after injury but I don't see it happening. Foreign superstar tends to stay with the team who drafts them(Dirk, Giannis) if they got paid right while others(Nash) tends to leave if they feel like they are undervalued by the franchise.

[Def Leppard]

Should be locked for baiting

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[dhsilv2]

I dont think Spurs make any sense, Popovich is leaving soon , I don't think Jokic would be interested in another rebuilding , he either stays in Denver or he he will team up with another star.

Spurs were a winning team as far back as you can get. Here's every season they've missed the playoffs since their inception in 1968 as the Dallas Chaparrals.

1973
1984
1987
1989
1997
2020
2021

That's it!

Their roster looks weak now , unless they can lure some big name there, which I doubt , I don't see them being relevant anytime soon, especially with Popovich leaving, the only person who could drawn Jokic to San Antonio is Popovich himself and he will be gone next season.

Is Pop retiring or just stepping down from his meaningless coaching role? And if RC isn't leaving, it isn't like they'll be losing him. The spurs organization is extremely well built and we've seen them drafting very well also. Jokic would simple need to trust the system they have in place to add talent. There's no need for one of these silly big splash superstar additions, this is the best run organization in the NBA we're talking about.