2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)

[Vampirate]

Very small sample size but Barnes is trending into a league average shooter as of late with the way he's going.

[Spicy P]

Scottie’s 3-Point Percentage is now higher than Suggs’ Field Goal Percentage, but apparently he’s the one who can’t shoot.

[thelead]

Maybe I’m just getting old but this thread is petty as hell

[XTC]

Scottie Barnes
19 points
7 Rebounds
3 Assists
2 Steals
4 Blocks

But he's not that good right General Board

Averages up to
15.4 Points
8.1 Rebounds
3.3 Assists
1.1 Steals
0.8 Blocks

IMO Barnes will end the year averaging close to 16/8/4/1/1. What a stud.

[links135]

God dammit Rap fans we don't have to post an update for Barnes every time he has a good game. We can debate him vs other rookies but christ.

[Tripod]

God dammit Rap fans we don't have to post an update for Barnes every time he has a good game. We can debate him vs other rookies but christ.

Him developing a 3 point shot is something to talk about considering he was deemed a bad shooter.

[links135]

God dammit Rap fans we don't have to post an update for Barnes every time he has a good game. We can debate him vs other rookies but christ.

Him developing a 3 point shot is something to talk about considering he was deemed a bad shooter.

There's 5 straight posts of the same thing on the general board.

[JonFromVA]

God dammit Rap fans we don't have to post an update for Barnes every time he has a good game. We can debate him vs other rookies but christ.

They don't but it is kind of the point of the thread to track which rooks are doing cool stuff ... the swipes at other rooks and fans bases could be dropped, though.

[links135]

God dammit Rap fans we don't have to post an update for Barnes every time he has a good game. We can debate him vs other rookies but christ.

They don't but it is kind of the point of the thread to track which rooks are doing cool stuff ... the swipes at other rooks and fans bases could be dropped, though.

I mean sure, if like someone posted it and other Rap fans and-1'd it instead of posting the same thing 5 times every time he does something.

I'm trynna read about other rookies and it's like ughhhhhhhh

[LoveMyRaps]

God dammit Rap fans we don't have to post an update for Barnes every time he has a good game. We can debate him vs other rookies but christ.

That's literally what the NBA ROOKIE THREAD is for smart guy.

[LoveMyRaps]

Maybe I’m just getting old but this thread is petty as hell

Nah it kinda is. lool

[Vampirate]

Scoreboard watching.

Cade wasn't lighting it up but he was very efficient today and by far Detroit's best scorer.

[JonFromVA]

God dammit Rap fans we don't have to post an update for Barnes every time he has a good game. We can debate him vs other rookies but christ.

They don't but it is kind of the point of the thread to track which rooks are doing cool stuff ... the swipes at other rooks and fans bases could be dropped, though.

I mean sure, if like someone posted it and other Rap fans and-1'd it instead of posting the same thing 5 times every time he does something.

I'm trynna read about other rookies and it's like ughhhhhhhh

lol, I just assumed the game had just ended. With so many raps fans on the board the odds of a double or triple post is pretty high.

[Vampirate]

Detroit is losing but Cade is having a breakout game scoring wise.

21 points on 10 shots thus far.

Uber efficient.

[The Moose]

Scoreboard watching.

Cade wasn't lighting it up but he was very efficient today and by far Detroit's best scorer.

9/11 fg thus far, one miss and one shot blocked. He's looked pretty good tonight, shot looked pretty pure and has been scoring inside and out. Been good on defense too with 2 blocks, a steal and a few deflections. Made a few glaringly bad pass/bad decisions which is fairly typical for him but overall he looked like the only NBA player on the court tonight for Detroit.

[aad]

Cade has been playing well it’s just his shot isn’t falling but I think that’s gonna come around

[links135]

According to NBA.com
Field goal attempts while being guarded tight or very tight: Suggs 1.6, Barnes 1.4, Wagner 0.7
Attempts while being open or wide open: Suggs 5.6, Wagner 4.2, Barnes 3.3
Percentage of baskets assisted: Wagner 61.9% Suggs 43.7%, Barnes 39.3%

Stats dont support that at all

Oh man... why did you have to bring up the FACTS ???

Lol, the audacity to say "Barnes is left wide open most of the time". Say you're a casual, without saying you're a casual.

Well thats why stats are useless without context. I can see you are both casuals so i will try to explain it in simple way.

So you may ask why Barnes is taking so many tightly guarded shots ? Are defenses really respecting him ? The answer is simple, Barnes doesnt take open shots becouse he doesnt want to take them and cant make them. He is left open on the perimeter but takes only 1.5 three point attempts per game.
Wagner for comparison is taking 4 three pointers per game.

Ok so now we know teams are leaving Barnes open on the perimeter and he doesnt punish them but why he takes so many contested shots ? Are they really trying to stop him? Well not exactly, in reality its a combination of his physical tools and bad shot selection. His main source of points come from transition(24,2%), put backs(11,1%), spot ups(15,4%) and isolation(11,8%). In transition there is a defender near you most of the time, same during put backs and cuts. Its not indication how defenses treat you individually, becouse defenses are not set to stop you (although Barnes is suprisingly below average in transition and cuts). Spot ups and isolation are given to him by design. They are in midrange so there will be someone near, but Barnes is in 8,4 percentile as spot up finisher and 15,9 percentile as isolation scorer.

Stats paint a player who is hurting his team by passing or missing open shots while scoring mostly by his physical tools around the rim in transition and by offensive rebounds when defenses are not set or takes tough contested shots (26% of his shots are long two's). I am not saying thats bad for a rookie, his tools and energy are impressing but it doesnt change the way teams guard him.

For comparison Wagner doesnt take low iq tough contested shots (no post ups, no isolations, 7,5% long two's), doesnt generate as many easy points where defenders are near (put backs, cuts, transition), while takes a lot more open 3's opponents give him. I will also admit its much tougher for Wagner to generate points by put backs, transition and cuts, becouse a)he actually spaces the floor and is further from basket b) is much more involved as a pick and roll ball handler c)there is less transition opportunities becouse Toronto has better team defense (while wagner is better overall defender than Barnes).

Its not a suprise Raptors net rating is - 0,8 while Barnes is -2,2 and Magic net rating is -10,9 while Wagner -6,6. Wagner is just a better player.

Ok bruh, Barnes is shooting 46.7% from midrange on nearly 3 shots a game.

Barnes is also shooting 63% at the rim compared to Wagners 52%.

Wagner is shooting pretty well from the corner 3, but only 32.3% from Above the break while Barnes is right now 34.5%. Nevermind Suggs 24%, Cades 23% or Greens 28%.

Barnes be posting up Sabonis who's 6"11. It's only a bad shot if you're shooting 52%.

Personally i'd much rather have Barnes shooting 47% from midrange while he works up his shooting to 34.5% from 3, rather than shooting 25% from 3 on 6 3's a game.

But yeah, the Raps story this season is 7-4 without Siakam, 2-9 with him.

Also Toronto is now like bottom 5 in team defence.

I mean at least Wagner doesn't have 6"8 38% shooting Achuiwa as the center option to dish it off to. If you thought Barnes was bad on transition, wait till you see Achuiwa's .74 PPP in transition.

Anyways, he's slightly above Durant in transition for what it's worth.

Anyways, Barnes TS = 54.1%. Wagner TS = 51,6%.

I also don't know where that dude got his stats from, but Barnes is taking 7 tight shots compared to Wagners clearly more open shooting 5.3. Barnes is shooting 49.3% while Wagner is shooting 45.8%.

Point being that's Paul George level of tight 2 point shots but you know, actually shooting better.

Point being Barnes has shown the ability to grow a 3 point shot now that he's shooting 35%, so at best all you're saying is he is yes, a raw prospect still scoring 15 ppg with tools to be a 3 level scorer, while still shooting overall pretty well.

[Vampirate]

Cade has been playing well it’s just his shot isn’t falling but I think that’s gonna come around

Maybe this is the game that springboards him offensively.

26 points on 13 shots is impressive and i'd probably take it over green's 30 point game as Cade wasn't just hot from downtown.

[vege]

There are some cool and well informed Toronto fans, but this thread is so sad, why did this become a Toronto vs Orlando fanbase war? Really. Grow up all of you please.

[The Moose]

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5 of his 6 jumpshot makes were all net, one jumpshot that touched the rim was his first 3
Shot looked pure tonight, his scoring package still reminds me a bit of Joe Johnson