PG: Leagues most selfish team loses again

[gbball]

Our defense is trending in the right direction, but it was still pretty bad in the first half. They just missed a lot of good looks. On offense we really miss Trent and OG's scoring these past few games.

To take the next step we need an upgrade at the 1 and 5. Or, we need to figure out who our best option at the 1 is. It might be Fred for now and he might continue to improve. Barnes isn't ready, Banton's not ready and Flynn can't shoot reliably enough.

That being said, I'm glad Flynn is getting more of an opportunity. Call me crazy, but I think he's a guy who's lost his way a bit and needs more of a green light, or just to know he can play through his mistakes. He needs to calibrate his shots and sometime he misfires which leads to an ugly miss, but if he can find his range within the game like Fred does at times he'll make them at a respectable clip.

I think we win these last two with Trent or OG playing. We've really been laboring on offense.

You're not crazy! Flynn definitely needs the assurance that he can play through mistakes. This is what couple of games now where he played a decent minutes? He played well defensively, offense can be better but dude needs some reps.
I'm confident he can run the team better than Vanvleet but not with him on the same floor!

i dont get the patience with flynn. Even if he works out we would have a pg that is a good shooter but forever a liability on defense due to his size (not just his height but weak frame) These players are dimes a dozen in the G-league.

I can see that, but I've seen enough from him when his game is clicking to think he can be an asset for our team and help our offense run more smoothly and ultimately win games. I legitimately think if we can getting him rolling, he'll contribute to winning basketball, despite his size. He makes pretty good reads for the most part offensively, and he can stay in front of his man defensively, plus he's come up with loose balls and get his fair share of strips. I think he's a better player than he's been playing and I'm disappointed with the way he's been brought along both last year and this year. He's not a plug and play mercenary type. He's a rhythm/feel player. Getting him going will pay dividends later.

Aside from bad shooting and being too deferential/not great game management, I don't have much of an issue with his play this year.

[Indeed]

Only watched the first half, and it is hard to watch
Problems:
1) We lacked shooting, and Memphis goes big. Both their C and PF are 6'11
2) Siakam is seeing 2 defenders, and both defenders are longer than Siakam
3) We got out rebounded, probably because Memphis sacrificed their shooting for size, so we play zone, but also not getting rebounds
4) Jaren Jackson with 5 blocks, and the present of Adams really hurt our scoring
5) We are neither big for rebounding / finishing nor able to shoot
6) We are not making them paid against our PnR

So far I can't blame anyone with our injuries, but our lack of big C and shooting are a problem.

[sbsat]

I think the shine of Banton is wearing off a bit. He hustles but makes many mistakes and some of the mod range and floaters he was hitting before are not close anymore

[Indeed]

That's what I don't get about pro tankers, and those who say it's a development year. There is not much ray of hope in sight because we have so many flawed players, no matter how much Barnes improves.

what is your suggestion to resolve this?

For a start, shore up the roster imbalance by getting a center. Trade Dragic and Boucher for someone who can play. It's hard to say what else until and if we ever get everyone healthy together. If we do, play a center on court almost all the time, and go longer at the 2/3/4 with Pascal, OG, Barnes and Yuta more.

I think our C needs to shoot the ball, so that we can drive to the paint.
Or we are hoping Siakam and Barnes can make those 3s (some of them aren't spot up stationary).

[Dennis 37]

Y’all really need to adjust your expectations. We are going to tank and that’s actually a good thing.

Losing games with honour is one thing. Let's pretend we saw improvement in our defence and we saw great ball movement, passes to cutters, sets that resulted in wide open threes and the ball just didn't fall. Or we came up against a team with great rim protectors or guards who can't miss a three even when covered well.

During far too many of our 5 on 5 offensive sets there is barely any movement. It is an ISO fest out there and it is boring.

[pingpongrac]

Lol at people here blaming pascal and Fred when they are playing with gleague lineups and are expected to carry them. No shooting and rim protection either.

Siakam was a huge ball stopper tonight. Yeah he got his stats but it takes everybody else out of the game. When his shot is going in like it was in the 4th quarter it looks nice, but when it’s not going in like the first half then it stalls the offence and kills momentum and morale.

Generally I would agree that role players need to be involved to get going, but Siakam was 4/9 and FVV was 5/10 in the first half while the rest of the team was 6/24. The issue wasn't that the rest of the team wasn't getting shots; they were just missing (and sometimes really bad; both Svi and Scottie had open threes that missed the rim entirely and hit the backboard). Even in the second half, the role players were mostly bad. Yuta had a hot Q3 (3/4 with 2 threes) then missed two open threes in Q4, Flynn went 2/6 (1/5 on threes, mostly wide open), Bonga missed a wide open wing three and Boucher missed an open three and a couple layups.

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[Chandan]

Stans love to talking about winning culture, championship DNA. Remember those terms? Yeah not a squeak about it anymore. It happens when a franchise cant retain talent and let them walk and assets wastes away.

Seeing a rotating door on assistant coaches, development coach really hammers in the point that the front office along with coaching crew is seriously in shambles. IMO they ve been dropping the ball for three years since the championship not doing a good job at a proper reload and planning for the future while pipe dreaming about giannas. Hell if we didnt get lucky with the ping pong we wouldnt even have scottie barnes this year.

A championship team reduced to a bottom feeder over a span of two years shouldnt happen.

[Boogie!]

Watch on YouTube

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Nurse needs to watch this video... scottie barnrs already makes these types of finds to cutters on his own... the system needs to be designed to fit his strengths. Motion offense, less dribbling, get more shooters on the team, and cut more..

[C_Money]

I wonder when the fans will stop showing up. These games are hard to watch and the prices are way too expensive.

[bakafool]

I wonder when the fans will stop showing up. These games are hard to watch and the prices are way too expensive.

Those ticket prices are ridonculous for the crap we see on the floor.

[RoyceDa59]

I am so happy.

Barnes plays AMAZING.

Pascal and FVV pad stats to maintain trade
value.

We are one L closer to a high lotto pick.

It was a great night to be a Raps fan.

[mdenny]

I think the shine of Banton is wearing off a bit. He hustles but makes many mistakes and some of the mod range and floaters he was hitting before are not close anymore

A little bit as well for Scottie. He's still in ROY territory...but I'm guessing the scouting has come around on him to some degree. He's getting a little bit exposed on defense. He seems to be constantly the lowest +/- of our starters and Nurse made a comment post-game tonight about 'peaks and valleys' in his game on nightly basis.

Nothing to get too worked up about....he's still a great pick and all. We're just seeing typical rookie stuff that didn't seem as noticeable the first 10 games.

[adept]

Barnes got some weird eye-contact fetish when hes going up for a dunk

[LoveMyRaps]

Team just sucks man

Plain and simple.

I have never seen a center with such horrendous shooting splits like Achiuwas.

The bench is utter garbage. Aside from Yuta, they all suck. (To be fair Banton shouldn't even be playing, he needs to be in the G-league. He's been holding his own though)

Only winning players on this squad are: Siakam, FVV, Barnes, OG, Trent, Birch

Unfortunately, you can't win with only 6 guys, especially if one of them isn't a superstar, and even more so when at least two of those guys are out with injuries.

[LoveMyRaps]

Barnes got some weird eye-contact fetish when hes going up for a dunk

Looks cool and he's been doing it since his college days but yeah he's soon gonna realize that's a no-no in the big leagues.
Gotta go up strong and finish with authority.

[Dennis 37]

That's what I don't get about pro tankers, and those who say it's a development year. There is not much ray of hope in sight because we have so many flawed players, no matter how much Barnes improves.

what is your suggestion to resolve this?

For a start, shore up the roster imbalance by getting a center. Trade Dragic and Boucher for someone who can play. It's hard to say what else until and if we ever get everyone healthy together. If we do, play a center on court almost all the time, and go longer at the 2/3/4 with Pascal, OG, Barnes and Yuta more.

Do we go young, or FVV and Pascal's age? If you go young and talented, that might take a lot of picks. If we went older, what would Jakob Poeltl cost?

[Los_29]

Stans love to talking about winning culture, championship DNA. Remember those terms? Yeah not a squeak about it anymore. It happens when a franchise cant retain talent and let them walk and assets wastes away. Seeing a rotating door on assistant coaches, development coach really hammers in the point that the front office along with coaching crew is seriously in shambles. IMO they ve dropping the ball for three years since the championship not doing a good job at gathering assets and planning for the future while pipe dreaming about giannas. Hell if we didnt get lucky with the ping pong we wouldnt even have scottie barnes this year.

Championship DNA definitely is something real but not when you lose 5 key rotation players from your championship roster, including the MVP.

They actually made the right move after their championship though. They rolled with who got them to the championship and they won 60 games (on pace) which was their best regular season in franchise history. Gasol is retired and Ibaka is at the tail end of his career playing 10 minutes a night. I think trying to replace them would've been the ultimate treadmill move as a) we would've still lost early in the playoffs and b) we wouldn't have Scottie. What this franchise is good at is recognizing when it's time to go after it and when it's not. They also don't make rash decisions. For example, trading FVV or Pascal for Myles Turner is a rash decision that would set this team back years. Trading them for late FRP's would also set them back years.

At the end of the day, we are missing two starters and our best bench player. People just get too emotional over losses (and wins). People need to lower their expectations for this team. We were giving extended time to Isaac Bonga tonight. He was playing in the G-league like 5 days ago.

[Tha Cynic]

I don’t know how much of it is selfishness versus how much is that the offense isn’t designed to move the ball that well. Guys like Pascal and Fred are getting a bad rap but the shot distribution really isn’t that bad to me. Add that to the injuries and guys just underperforming and you have a sub-.500 team.

Unfortunately it looks like this might end up being another stealth tank season, which, ugh. Long term that might be really good. There’s just simply too much talent on this team to be this bad, and adding another decent prospect to this and you’ve really got something. Before they have any success, Barnes either has to turn into a superstar or Nurse has to change the offense in some manner. This offense is what we ran with Kawhi, and it isn’t working because we don’t have a Kawhi.

They really just have to make one tweak. Put the ball in Scottie's hands more often to actually run the team. His passing and playmaking becomes infectious when they give him those 3 to 4 possessions where he's just allowed to confidentially handle the ball with good players on the floor. You can see the rest of the team cut and move without the ball expecting passes.

The thing that doesn't make sense is that they wait till the 3rd to do it, and then completely ignore it after.

[pingpongrac]

Again and I repeat who tf do you want them to pass to? This team has 3 nba players on it right now fvv siakam and Barnes that’s it. Everyone else just isn’t that good. Wtf do y’all expect??


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Nobody looks good when teams don’t pass. Did all these guys who could shoot the ball before just randomly regress or maybe it’s that shooters make shots when they’re in rhythm and rhythm comes with ball movement?

These arguments always come from people who are too heavily invested in mediocre players like they feel the need to find any means to defend them.

The warriors are 17-2... the last I checked they didn't have 10 all stars... Kevin looney, chiozza, Toscano, Gary Payton, bjelica, kuminga...


This is not world beating ben h talent. I dont even know who half those guys are... They also won the Detroit game without Curry playing... meanwhile we lost to Detroit playing our "best player" 40 mins... this team is garbage, and your favorite favorite are overrated. People need to get over it if they scrually care to see this team winning.

The major difference...the Warriors have been healthy all year. They have used the same starting lineup in 20 of their 21 games (including tonight). The Detroit game was the only time they used a different starting lineup because Curry and Green both sat out -- the one game all year either has missed. GSW has used the same rotation pretty much all year long too with most of those role players you listed coming off the bench and playing 15-20 minutes every game.

For us, we have used a different starting lineup in basically every other game. Sometimes Svi plays 30 minutes, sometimes he plays 10-15 minutes. Sometimes Achiuwa plays 25 minutes, sometimes he plays 35 minutes. Sometimes Flynn is a DNP-CD, sometimes he plays 20 minutes. Bonga played a total of 8 minutes in the first 19 games, but he has played 11 minutes in each of the last two games since GTJ was out. Yuta also played almost 30 minutes tonight. There is just no consistency whatsoever with our rotation which is causing mass confusion on the floor. Nurse is putting lineups out there that we should never have to see aside from garbage time, but injuries are forcing him to play literal G-League lineups. It's either that or play FVV/Siakam/Barnes 48 minutes each.

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[Tha Cynic]

I hope we get OG and Trent back soon. At this point I trust them both late in the game over Pascal. Pascal just sort of dwindles away late in games. Made a couple of shots early in the fourth, but he doesn't hit the big shots. Not a very efficient game either.

I'm not sure this is going to solve this team's overall issue on offense, which is too much individual play. It's great when those guys are all making shots, but this is teaching bad habits and not really helping them gel as a team. The wins they have had have also had some brutal offensive games where some players have gotten hot from the field.

What this team needs to do is play more team ball. In the long run this will lead to wins and you will actually see team chemistry improve which is a huge issue on the court right now.