Is Fred a true point guard?

[links135]

Would Fred ever be happy having 15 assists and 8 points? The answer to this question is why this team needs someone else to handle the ball full-time.

He continues to show that he's a great shooter and defender, but he is not a good playmaker. The bad habit of not passing to the open player is rubbing off on the rest of the team now. No one except for Barnes, and Birch seem to like moving the ball.

FVV does not understand the concept of the hockey assist and the person who runs the team needs to have that. Let Fred focus on gunning like GTJ.

FVV is 16th in assists, 10th in hockey assists and 11th in potential assists in the entire league. Of the 15 players above FVV in assists, only 5 of them attempt less shots -- and they're mostly on teams playing with other stars (CP3 with Booker, Harden with Durant, Lowry with Butler+Bam and Green with Curry) with the only exception being Garland (who scores 1.3 PPG less while attempting 0.8 FGA less which is pretty comparable). Most of the 15 players above FVV in assists also have a higher average time of possession, average dribbles per touch and USG%.

Before this string of 3 "poor playmaking" games, FVV was averaging 19.5/5/7 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV while also posting 1.0 secondary assists, 13.3 potential assists and 11.0 AST to pass %. Lowry -- who is averaging 12.5/5/7.5 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV -- is posting almost identical passing numbers (0.5 secondary assists, 14.9 potential assists, 11.7 AST to pass %) while playing with significantly better teammates.

The fact of the matter is that it's just difficult to get an offence going when you're playing with 2-3 G-League players for half of a game. That's the reason why FVV's assist numbers have fallen off a cliff the last three games. It doesn't help that Svi and Flynn have combined to shoot 5/21 on mostly wide open threes the last 2 games.

Y'all literally just make up the most random **** lol.

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Sure Banton and Flynn as well as Svi and Boucher have been absolute ass the last month.

Still, there's one guy who seemingly can't get anyone to shoot 3's well.

[pingpongrac]

Would Fred ever be happy having 15 assists and 8 points? The answer to this question is why this team needs someone else to handle the ball full-time.

He continues to show that he's a great shooter and defender, but he is not a good playmaker. The bad habit of not passing to the open player is rubbing off on the rest of the team now. No one except for Barnes, and Birch seem to like moving the ball.

FVV does not understand the concept of the hockey assist and the person who runs the team needs to have that. Let Fred focus on gunning like GTJ.

FVV is 16th in assists, 10th in hockey assists and 11th in potential assists in the entire league. Of the 15 players above FVV in assists, only 5 of them attempt less shots -- and they're mostly on teams playing with other stars (CP3 with Booker, Harden with Durant, Lowry with Butler+Bam and Green with Curry) with the only exception being Garland (who scores 1.3 PPG less while attempting 0.8 FGA less which is pretty comparable). Most of the 15 players above FVV in assists also have a higher average time of possession, average dribbles per touch and USG%.

Before this string of 3 "poor playmaking" games, FVV was averaging 19.5/5/7 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV while also posting 1.0 secondary assists, 13.3 potential assists and 11.0 AST to pass %. Lowry -- who is averaging 12.5/5/7.5 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV -- is posting almost identical passing numbers (0.5 secondary assists, 14.9 potential assists, 11.7 AST to pass %) while playing with significantly better teammates.

The fact of the matter is that it's just difficult to get an offence going when you're playing with 2-3 G-League players for half of a game. That's the reason why FVV's assist numbers have fallen off a cliff the last three games. It doesn't help that Svi and Flynn have combined to shoot 5/21 on mostly wide open threes the last 2 games.

Y'all literally just make up the most random **** lol.

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Sure Banton and Flynn as well as Svi and Boucher have been absolute ass the last month.

Still, there's one guy who seemingly can't get anyone to shoot 3's well.

Seriously? You're putting the onus on FVV to make his teammates shoot the ball better when they're open? Unbelievable. I guess we need Trent to be the primary playmaker because we're shooting almost 50% off his passes.

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[Truthrising]

I’d say Fred is a low IQ PG. He really thinks him pounding the ball is faster than passing to his teammates ahead of him on a breakout.

[Knucknbuc]

FVV is 16th in assists, 10th in hockey assists and 11th in potential assists in the entire league. Of the 15 players above FVV in assists, only 5 of them attempt less shots -- and they're mostly on teams playing with other stars (CP3 with Booker, Harden with Durant, Lowry with Butler+Bam and Green with Curry) with the only exception being Garland (who scores 1.3 PPG less while attempting 0.8 FGA less which is pretty comparable). Most of the 15 players above FVV in assists also have a higher average time of possession, average dribbles per touch and USG%.

Before this string of 3 "poor playmaking" games, FVV was averaging 19.5/5/7 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV while also posting 1.0 secondary assists, 13.3 potential assists and 11.0 AST to pass %. Lowry -- who is averaging 12.5/5/7.5 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV -- is posting almost identical passing numbers (0.5 secondary assists, 14.9 potential assists, 11.7 AST to pass %) while playing with significantly better teammates.

The fact of the matter is that it's just difficult to get an offence going when you're playing with 2-3 G-League players for half of a game. That's the reason why FVV's assist numbers have fallen off a cliff the last three games. It doesn't help that Svi and Flynn have combined to shoot 5/21 on mostly wide open threes the last 2 games.

Y'all literally just make up the most random **** lol.

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Sure Banton and Flynn as well as Svi and Boucher have been absolute ass the last month.

Still, there's one guy who seemingly can't get anyone to shoot 3's well.

Seriously? You're putting the onus on FVV to make his teammates shoot the ball better when they're open? Unbelievable. I guess we need Trent to be the primary playmaker because we're shooting almost 50% off his passes.

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These people don’t watch basketball they just watch for narratives. U bring stats into the argument they just revert to “wELL ALl fvV doEs iS driBble tHe aIr ouT oF thE BAll or hE pASses with 2 sECs LeFt oN thE clOCk or tHe PEople ARent IN rhtyHm whEn tHeY GeT a ChAnce tO shOot becAuSe oF FVv” they have no **** clue what they’re looking at. They score 10 points in their rec league they think their sometype of bball savants


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[LBJKB24MJ23]

Sure Banton and Flynn as well as Svi and Boucher have been absolute ass the last month.

Still, there's one guy who seemingly can't get anyone to shoot 3's well.

Seriously? You're putting the onus on FVV to make his teammates shoot the ball better when they're open? Unbelievable. I guess we need Trent to be the primary playmaker because we're shooting almost 50% off his passes.

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These people don’t watch basketball they just watch for narratives. U bring stats into the argument they just revert to “wELL ALl fvV doEs iS driBble tHe aIr ouT oF thE BAll or hE pASses with 2 sECs LeFt oN thE clOCk or tHe PEople ARent IN rhtyHm whEn tHeY GeT a ChAnce tO shOot becAuSe oF FVv” they have no **** clue what they’re looking at. They score 10 points in their rec league they think their sometype of bball savants


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well Raptors are a top 3 team to use the end of the shot clock:

00-04 seconds left - Raptors 3rd at 11%
04-07 seconds left - Raptors 10th at 9.9%
07-15 seconds left - Raptors 26th at 45.10%
15-18 seconds left - Raptors 25th at 15%
18-22 seconds left - Raptors 4th at 15.6%
22-24 seconds left - Raptors 4th at 3.3%


Raptors have fell to 13th overall in offensive efficiency
Raptors moved up to 24th overall in defensive efficiency

but I think Raptors and FVV should be better with the return of both OG and GTJ. but surprised Svi hasn't picked it up with this new found opportunity. he's been abysmal in the starting lineup and the last 7 games (25%), and he's a great 3 point shooter prior to this dry spell (40%)

[vulture]

Would Fred ever be happy having 15 assists and 8 points? The answer to this question is why this team needs someone else to handle the ball full-time.

He continues to show that he's a great shooter and defender, but he is not a good playmaker. The bad habit of not passing to the open player is rubbing off on the rest of the team now. No one except for Barnes, and Birch seem to like moving the ball.

FVV does not understand the concept of the hockey assist and the person who runs the team needs to have that. Let Fred focus on gunning like GTJ.

FVV is 16th in assists, 10th in hockey assists and 11th in potential assists in the entire league. Of the 15 players above FVV in assists, only 5 of them attempt less shots -- and they're mostly on teams playing with other stars (CP3 with Booker, Harden with Durant, Lowry with Butler+Bam and Green with Curry) with the only exception being Garland (who scores 1.3 PPG less while attempting 0.8 FGA less which is pretty comparable). Most of the 15 players above FVV in assists also have a higher average time of possession, average dribbles per touch and USG%.

Before this string of 3 "poor playmaking" games, FVV was averaging 19.5/5/7 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV while also posting 1.0 secondary assists, 13.3 potential assists and 11.0 AST to pass %. Lowry -- who is averaging 12.5/5/7.5 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV -- is posting almost identical passing numbers (0.5 secondary assists, 14.9 potential assists, 11.7 AST to pass %) while playing with significantly better teammates.

The fact of the matter is that it's just difficult to get an offence going when you're playing with 2-3 G-League players for half of a game. That's the reason why FVV's assist numbers have fallen off a cliff the last three games. It doesn't help that Svi and Flynn have combined to shoot 5/21 on mostly wide open threes the last 2 games.

Y'all literally just make up the most random **** lol.

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come on man you've been on realgm for a long time and you know this fanbase is delusional and they like to have 1 or 2 players to blame every loss on.
They are also coming for OG and Barnes in a few years.

[Gold Dragon]

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Fred is 12th in the league in potential assists per game at 13.2

So only 11 players in the league generate more shots for their teammates per game that could be assists than Fred.

[Ref_from_hell]

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Fred is 12th in the league in potential assists per game at 13.2

So only 11 players in the league generate more shots for their teammates per game that could be assists than Fred.

And here I thought Fred was the most selfish point guard in the league who only cares about getting his own and purposefully ignores our budding rookie superstar

[ItsDanger]

It's skewed by minutes played. Plus an assortment of other factors. A good PG creates easier shots.

[Spates]

Fred isn't a true point guard, that's not his skillset. And it's unrealistic to expect him to be. He's quite good at what he does. Solid spot up shooter, he's getting to his spots well, and I think the eye test shows he's running pnr better.

The team has a gravity issue. The offense only looks good when shots are falling. Quality shot generation is as streaky as the shooters. I'm not sure what they're trying to generate most of the time. Which is likely because no one is really adept at drawing help, making the right read, and exploiting tendencies. Barnes flashes the potential but his north-south game isn't there yet.

It's unfair to pin the struggles on Fred. His flaws as a pg blind us to his merits at times. And I can't help but wonder what he'd look like with better spacing, cutting, and a safe lob target. There is too much redundancy in playstyle. Maybe we should be thinking about the type of players that complement him because he's rock steady.

[VC15Era]

Just hand the keys to Barnes... and let FVV play off ball... start Yuta until OG comes back.. and have Pascal and Birch/Precious start at centre... please keep Svl and Gary on the bench..

[will]

If pounding the rock is a true point guard?

Yes.

[WaltFrazier]

Fred isn't a true point guard, that's not his skillset. And it's unrealistic to expect him to be. He's quite good at what he does. Solid spot up shooter, he's getting to his spots well, and I think the eye test shows he's running pnr better.

The team has a gravity issue. The offense only looks good when shots are falling. Quality shot generation is as streaky as the shooters. I'm not sure what they're trying to generate most of the time. Which is likely because no one is really adept at drawing help, making the right read, and exploiting tendencies. Barnes flashes the potential but his north-south game isn't there yet.

It's unfair to pin the struggles on Fred. His flaws as a pg blind us to his merits at times. And I can't help but wonder what he'd look like with better spacing, cutting, and a safe lob target. There is too much redundancy in playstyle. Maybe we should be thinking about the type of players that complement him because he's rock steady.

Good post. For sure Fred would play better with a better cast around him. Even if we were all healthy at the same time.

But all we know for sure is he was a very good role player on a championship team and 2020 too, playing with a great point guard in Kyle. It seems like he is not the guy to be the only point guard on a young team, and bring everybody along. And, I'm not sure if he could be the main point guard on a really good playoff team, where he was the guy. Would he start one one of the top 6-8 teams? I see him more as a very good bench guy on a really good team.

[Lockdown504090]

True point guards dont do anything in this league anymore so im glad hes not one.

[Ref_from_hell]

Just hand the keys to Barnes... and let FVV play off ball... start Yuta until OG comes back.. and have Pascal and Birch/Precious start at centre... please keep Svl and Gary on the bench..

Are you the same person who said he hoped Gary Trent was injured? And that we should send Fred away from the team and let dragic be the starting point guard?

[WaltFrazier]

True point guards dont do anything in this league anymore so im glad hes not one.

But the new style of explosive quick scoring PG's like Trae, Mitchell, Morant, Murray, etc., he's not one of those either.

He can guard them, which is awesome, but can't do what they do on offense.

Physically, he is more suited to being a "true" point guard type player. But he doesn't have that mindset or playmaking skillset

[DangerZone13]

Fred is indeed a Point Guard.
Just as the rest of the team is learning, Fred is in a growth stage too. He's adjusting to not having Lowry there to keep the ship steady, and working with young players in systems that are still being fine-tuned.

There's flaws with every player on the team, there's flaws in the coaching strategy, and there's some holes in the roster construction. This is a growth year, as stated by the man making the big decisions.

How about we enjoy a year of basketball without expectations? Let's enjoy watching this ball of clay form into a masterpiece, and all start blaming David Johnson and Isaac Bonga for these losses. It's much funnier that way.

Y'all looking for perfection this year are seeking disappointment.

[VanWest82]

Opposing teams are now so afraid of Fred the PG that they're full on trapping him in PnR like he's a superstar to get the ball out of his hands. Memphis screwed up the entire offense in the first half last night because our other "play makers" are so inept they can't beat a simple 4 on 3...assuming they're even in the right spots which as Siakam pointed out they're weren't.

Fred is the only quality PG / play maker on the team.

[Spates]

Fred isn't a true point guard, that's not his skillset. And it's unrealistic to expect him to be. He's quite good at what he does. Solid spot up shooter, he's getting to his spots well, and I think the eye test shows he's running pnr better.

The team has a gravity issue. The offense only looks good when shots are falling. Quality shot generation is as streaky as the shooters. I'm not sure what they're trying to generate most of the time. Which is likely because no one is really adept at drawing help, making the right read, and exploiting tendencies. Barnes flashes the potential but his north-south game isn't there yet.

It's unfair to pin the struggles on Fred. His flaws as a pg blind us to his merits at times. And I can't help but wonder what he'd look like with better spacing, cutting, and a safe lob target. There is too much redundancy in playstyle. Maybe we should be thinking about the type of players that complement him because he's rock steady.

Good post. For sure Fred would play better with a better cast around him. Even if we were all healthy at the same time.

But all we know for sure is he was a very good role player on a championship team and 2020 too, playing with a great point guard in Kyle. It seems like he is not the guy to be the only point guard on a young team, and bring everybody along. And, I'm not sure if he could be the main point guard on a really good playoff team, where he was the guy. Would he start one one of the top 6-8 teams? I see him more as a very good bench guy on a really good team.

Not the main PG in a traditional sense but he's your point of attack defender, secondary creator, and spot up shooter–your traditional SG on offense. You can slot Fred anywhere where you have big wings/guards as your primary creators. He'd look good on Brooklyn, Milwaukee, and possibly even Boston and Philly(with Simmons). I like him on Dallas too.

Basically I don't he's the guy that should be in charge of your offense but will excel next to the right guys.

[YogurtProducer]

Would Fred ever be happy having 15 assists and 8 points? The answer to this question is why this team needs someone else to handle the ball full-time.

He continues to show that he's a great shooter and defender, but he is not a good playmaker. The bad habit of not passing to the open player is rubbing off on the rest of the team now. No one except for Barnes, and Birch seem to like moving the ball.

FVV does not understand the concept of the hockey assist and the person who runs the team needs to have that. Let Fred focus on gunning like GTJ.

FVV is 16th in assists, 10th in hockey assists and 11th in potential assists in the entire league. Of the 15 players above FVV in assists, only 5 of them attempt less shots -- and they're mostly on teams playing with other stars (CP3 with Booker, Harden with Durant, Lowry with Butler+Bam and Green with Curry) with the only exception being Garland (who scores 1.3 PPG less while attempting 0.8 FGA less which is pretty comparable). Most of the 15 players above FVV in assists also have a higher average time of possession, average dribbles per touch and USG%.

Before this string of 3 "poor playmaking" games, FVV was averaging 19.5/5/7 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV while also posting 1.0 secondary assists, 13.3 potential assists and 11.0 AST to pass %. Lowry -- who is averaging 12.5/5/7.5 on 56 TS% with 3 TOV -- is posting almost identical passing numbers (0.5 secondary assists, 14.9 potential assists, 11.7 AST to pass %) while playing with significantly better teammates.

The fact of the matter is that it's just difficult to get an offence going when you're playing with 2-3 G-League players for half of a game. That's the reason why FVV's assist numbers have fallen off a cliff the last three games. It doesn't help that Svi and Flynn have combined to shoot 5/21 on mostly wide open threes the last 2 games.

Y'all literally just make up the most random **** lol.

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Sure Banton and Flynn as well as Svi and Boucher have been absolute ass the last month.

Still, there's one guy who seemingly can't get anyone to shoot 3's well.

Hmmm I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that FVV has hit 26.4% of our teams 3's this year, attempted 23.2% of them, and our team outside of FVV only hits 32.6%. It is almost like FVV cannot pass himself the ball.

Also, fantastic job to cherrypick the high variance stat (3 point shooting) and ignore his higher frequency and % on 2 point shots.