Knicks - Nets PG

[prophet_of_rage]

Missed the game.

12 minutes for Obi is nuts. Thibs needs to stop being so dogmatic about rim protection and play small ball more. Again, I missed the game so I can’t really judge, but it seems like this one called for it based on the comments.

I think the NBA should be investigated for its relationship with Scott Foster - not just Foster himself. Every time he officiates a game, it feels like there’s an agenda behind it. I have always believed that Game 7 between Rockets and Warriors was fixed by the NBA - and Foster was the lead official.

If the refs really told Randle that, then they should be suspended for a period of time. It’s a clear arbitrary and subjective misinterpretation of the rules imo.

Obi was like a jolt of electricity. He kept skirting their defense and getting open for easy makes. He's becoming an underutilized weapon

Foul calls are at the refs interpretatiin by rule. But it sucks because they will call something for KD like the Rose foul on the dunk attempt but won't call the hit by the defence on a Randle post up..

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[Clyde_Style]

chicago next. before these last 2 i would have expected a loss. now i expect a competitive game. that's all you can ask for.

all you can ask for is competitive games? bar is that low huh?

yes. this team is not built to be a contender. it's franchise player is julius randle. just enjoy it for what it is. some of you need to work on living in the now and enjoying the little things.

If you could package him in a deal that brings a better player who wants out somewhere you do it in a heartbeat

I want Randle to play the game right either way. If he is going to be here then play team ball. And if he plays team ball and we succeed his trade value will start to fall in line with his salary and make someone bite on a deal

But I only expect to see a minor trade involving Kemba and maybe someone else

One of the things I dislike about his franchise is every FO has behaved like THEIR GUYS have to succeed or they will have egg on their face. NO, make the wrong deals and you’ll have egg on your face. Upgrade from Randle and you’re winning

The flipside is we upgrade from Randle while keeping him though I don’t know how that guts the rest of the team. The concern then is can Randle truly play 2nd fiddle or not? I have serious doubts about his ability to do so, thus if we can upgrade from him I’d like to move on from Randle

[prophet_of_rage]

all you can ask for is competitive games? bar is that low huh?

yes. this team is not built to be a contender. it's franchise player is julius randle. just enjoy it for what it is. some of you need to work on living in the now and enjoying the little things.

If you could package him in a deal that brings a better player who wants out somewhere you do it in a heartbeat

I want Randle to play the game right either way. If he is going to be here then play team ball. And if he plays team ball and we succeed his trade value will start to fall in line with his salary and make someone bite on a deal

But I only expect to see a minor trade involving Kemba and maybe someone else

One of the things I dislike about his franchise is every FO has behaved like THEIR GUYS have to succeed or they will have egg on their face. NO, make the wrong deals and you’ll have egg on your face. Upgrade from Randle and you’re winning

The flipside is we upgrade from Randle while keeping him though I don’t know how that guts the rest of the team. The concern then is can Randle truly play 2nd fiddle or not? I have serious doubts about his ability to do so, thus if we can upgrade from him I’d like to move on from Randle

Randle was a 6th man before he got here.

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Quickley's defense continues to be solid. He has really improved on that end. Bringing lot's of energy, contesting shots, reading the passing lanes.

33.3% DFG% in that game.

Should Quickley be our starting SG or keep him off the bench? I think we should look at starting him and get our best players on the floor more. But either way he should be getting more min then Fournier and has earned them

[Clyde_Style]

yes. this team is not built to be a contender. it's franchise player is julius randle. just enjoy it for what it is. some of you need to work on living in the now and enjoying the little things.

If you could package him in a deal that brings a better player who wants out somewhere you do it in a heartbeat

I want Randle to play the game right either way. If he is going to be here then play team ball. And if he plays team ball and we succeed his trade value will start to fall in line with his salary and make someone bite on a deal

But I only expect to see a minor trade involving Kemba and maybe someone else

One of the things I dislike about his franchise is every FO has behaved like THEIR GUYS have to succeed or they will have egg on their face. NO, make the wrong deals and you’ll have egg on your face. Upgrade from Randle and you’re winning

The flipside is we upgrade from Randle while keeping him though I don’t know how that guts the rest of the team. The concern then is can Randle truly play 2nd fiddle or not? I have serious doubts about his ability to do so, thus if we can upgrade from him I’d like to move on from Randle

Randle was a 6th man before he got here.

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I hear you. That may be his optimal role on a contender. But he’s overpaid for that role then which may mitigate his tradeability to a legit contender. He could be a starting PF for someone though

[DaGawd]

all you can ask for is competitive games? bar is that low huh?

yes. this team is not built to be a contender. it's franchise player is julius randle. just enjoy it for what it is. some of you need to work on living in the now and enjoying the little things.

If you could package him in a deal that brings a better player who wants out somewhere you do it in a heartbeat

I want Randle to play the game right either way. If he is going to be here then play team ball. And if he plays team ball and we succeed his trade value will start to fall in line with his salary and make someone bite on a deal

But I only expect to see a minor trade involving Kemba and maybe someone else

One of the things I dislike about his franchise is every FO has behaved like THEIR GUYS have to succeed or they will have egg on their face. NO, make the wrong deals and you’ll have egg on your face. Upgrade from Randle and you’re winning

The flipside is we upgrade from Randle while keeping him though I don’t know how that guts the rest of the team. The concern then is can Randle truly play 2nd fiddle or not? I have serious doubts about his ability to do so, thus if we can upgrade from him I’d like to move on from Randle

I agree that if a better player becomes available then everyone including Randle should be available. I’m just struggling to see anyone who is significantly better than Randle becoming available other than maybe Dame.. but I don’t think trading for Dame and having him come in and run with these kids gets us any further along than we would be with Randle. Guys like SGA, Towns etc are all about equal to Randle to me in their franchise lead ability.

[duetta]

I enjoyed the game up to a point, but you will not convince me at this juncture that we couldn't be a more explosive team with Obi starting and a much faster-paced offense. I've come to hate the way that this team is being forced to play the game - and the way that this coach continues to play favorites.

[Clyde_Style]

Quickley's defense continues to be solid. He has really improved on that end. Bringing lot's of energy. Reading the passing lanes.

33.3% DFG% in that game.

Should Quickley be our starting SG or keep him off the bench? I think we should look at starting him and get our best players on the floor more. But either way he should be getting more min then Fournier and has earned them

I’m really impressed by his rapid development this season. He’s growing by the game and his ability to set up the offense has taken a big leap. Combined with his penetration and deep threat he is becoming a PG. I had my doubts and thought he was a future 6MOY type of player. Now I think his upside is even higher.

Last night the team looked at its best in the first half when IQ was dictating the pace. They were pushing upcourt almost every possession and when they had to run a half-court set he was constantly probing the defense for holes and taking it to the rack when he found a seam. His decision making has really improved.

I think IQ’S hoops IQ was underestimated by most of us. He’s showing that his hard work includes being a student of the game and he is upgrading himself in the process.

[robillionaire]

I think the NBA should be investigated for its relationship with Scott Foster - not just Foster himself. Every time he officiates a game, it feels like there’s an agenda behind it. I have always believed that Game 7 between Rockets and Warriors was fixed by the NBA - and Foster was the lead official.

If the refs really told Randle that, then they should be suspended for a period of time. It’s a clear arbitrary and subjective misinterpretation of the rules imo.

I actually am starting to believe that the NBA is fixed or scripted to a certain extent. Not because of this game but just in general over the course of watching it for decades. What’s sad is that I’d still probably watch it though even if it was openly staged

[god shammgod]

Quickley's defense continues to be solid. He has really improved on that end. Bringing lot's of energy, contesting shots, reading the passing lanes.

33.3% DFG% in that game.

Should Quickley be our starting SG or keep him off the bench? I think we should look at starting him and get our best players on the floor more. But either way he should be getting more min then Fournier and has earned them

the best starting lineup probably puts fournier or rj on the bench. i'm not a big rj fan but benching him tanks his value so i wouldn't do that. plus he's the better defender and that's needed more in the starting lineup. would they, after spending so much money on him, move evan to the bench ? don't think so but i never imagined they would take kemba out of the rotation.

mitch
randle
burks
rj or forunier
iq

[Kampuchea]

Not reading all these pages but this game is a good sign for the Knicks and I'd imagine people are mostly happy with the performance. We are back to aggressive and strong Defense, Randle played well all-around and nice contributions from a number of players.

That game isn't so much about what's wrong or bad with our players, that is for people that aren't realistic and like to nitpick. We don't have KD or Harden or any of the top players, that doesn't mean something is wrong with the players we do have it means something is wrong with your expectations.

[god shammgod]

Not reading all these pages but this game is a good sign for the Knicks and I'd imagine people are mostly happy with the performance. We are back to aggressive and strong Defense, Randle played well all-around and nice contributions from a number of players.

That game isn't so much about what's wrong or bad with our players, that is for people that aren't realistic and like to nitpick. We don't have KD or Harden or any of the top players, that doesn't mean something is wrong with the players we do have it means something is wrong with your expectations.

yep. very negative people in here. really bad.

[snadler]

I enjoyed the game up to a point, but you will not convince me at this juncture that we couldn't be a more explosive team with Obi starting and a much faster-paced offense. I've come to hate the way that this team is being forced to play the game - and the way that this coach continues to play favorites.

Obi should be getting more minutes, but if you just look at last night, he had no shot guarding KD, and then he struggled guarding Aldridge, his defense was most likely the cause of less minutes last night, as a whole however I think Obi should get more minutes

[JXL]

They can call BS on the free throw bias for Bricklyn all they want. The obvious reason they lost this close was the start of the 3rd quarter. Whoever is trying to motivate them to build on a 1 point lead is a failure, because how can you come out like that and give up a 14-0 run in 2½ minutes of the game? It's a failure of bringing energy out of the locker room from the jump, and it has to be addressed. Hahn made this comment on Instagram saying the same thing: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CW7RKrUB77b/?utm_medium=share_sheet

[Clyde_Style]

yes. this team is not built to be a contender. it's franchise player is julius randle. just enjoy it for what it is. some of you need to work on living in the now and enjoying the little things.

If you could package him in a deal that brings a better player who wants out somewhere you do it in a heartbeat

I want Randle to play the game right either way. If he is going to be here then play team ball. And if he plays team ball and we succeed his trade value will start to fall in line with his salary and make someone bite on a deal

But I only expect to see a minor trade involving Kemba and maybe someone else

One of the things I dislike about his franchise is every FO has behaved like THEIR GUYS have to succeed or they will have egg on their face. NO, make the wrong deals and you’ll have egg on your face. Upgrade from Randle and you’re winning

The flipside is we upgrade from Randle while keeping him though I don’t know how that guts the rest of the team. The concern then is can Randle truly play 2nd fiddle or not? I have serious doubts about his ability to do so, thus if we can upgrade from him I’d like to move on from Randle

I agree that if a better player becomes available then everyone including Randle should be available. I’m just struggling to see anyone who is significantly better than Randle becoming available other than maybe Dame.. but I don’t think trading for Dame and having him come in and run with these kids gets us any further along than we would be with Randle. Guys like SGA, Towns etc are all about equal to Randle to me in their franchise lead ability.

That’s why they pay these guys the big bucks. Rose is supposed to be a deal maker. And he now has a team of wonks backing him. I’m holding out hope they can engineer something of that order. After all, I think most of us agree that was their 4 year plan all along anyway so if Randle is the piece that leads to a bigger piece then they would remain on script

The truth about this season is we were looking awful and in danger of their plan falling apart, because they won’t be able to engineer such a deal if we don’t remain competitive. So even with my tank at the ready I’m also aware of their game plan. I’d rather they succeed at that and keep IQ and Obi in the process. Those are my two favorite Knicks now with honorable mention going to DRose.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Quickley's defense continues to be solid. He has really improved on that end. Bringing lot's of energy. Reading the passing lanes.

33.3% DFG% in that game.

Should Quickley be our starting SG or keep him off the bench? I think we should look at starting him and get our best players on the floor more. But either way he should be getting more min then Fournier and has earned them

I’m really impressed by his rapid development this season. He’s growing by the game and his ability to set up the offense has taken a big leap. Combined with his penetration and deep threat he is becoming a PG. I had my doubts and thought he was a future 6MOY type of player. Now I think his upside is even higher.

Last night the team looked at its best in the first half when IQ was dictating the pace. They were pushing upcourt almost every possession and when they had to run a half-court set he was constantly probing the defense for holes and taking it to the rack when he found a seam. His decision making has really improved.

I think IQ’S hoops IQ was underestimated by most of us. He’s showing that his hard work includes being a student of the game and he is upgrading himself in the process.

We knew he could shoot and score but it's the other parts of his game that he has been improving such as defense and passing, handles that are impressive.

Hard to say if he's an ideal 6th man or starter long term. Probably depends on the team and how he develops. Would like to at least see him get the chance to start though and see if he could do even better with a bigger role

[Prokorov]

Nets fan coming in peace ( i know ill GTFO).

I havent seen a ton of quickly to know, but it seemed like he took several early shot clock 40 foot YOLO threes. Is that something he hits with regularity? I thought that bailed us out and helped us on some big runs in the first half. Thibs didnt seem to mind. i was scratching my head when it was more then once or twice he took those.

Alo, I'm still surprised teams dont just double KD hard after the catch. he is AWFUL passing out of double teams. only toronto seems to have realized this and always holds him in check and beats us or gives us a run. I figured thibs would too... maybe saving it for potentially bigger game?

[Clyde_Style]

Nets fan coming in peace ( i know ill GTFO).

I havent seen a ton of quickly to know, but it seemed like he took several early shot clock 40 foot YOLO threes. Is that something he hits with regularity? I thought that bailed us out and helped us on some big runs in the first half. Thibs didnt seem to mind. i was scratching my head when it was more then once or twice he took those.

Alo, I'm still surprised teams dont just double KD hard after the catch. he is AWFUL passing out of double teams. only toronto seems to have realized this and always holds him in check and beats us or gives us a run. I figured thibs would too... maybe saving it for potentially bigger game?

He’s on a rapid learning curve. Over time he’ll take less of those

But, yes, he is probably Top 10 in the NBA already in terms of shooting range. He does drop threes from 35 feet pretty often

[DaGawd]

Nets fan coming in peace ( i know ill GTFO).

I havent seen a ton of quickly to know, but it seemed like he took several early shot clock 40 foot YOLO threes. Is that something he hits with regularity? I thought that bailed us out and helped us on some big runs in the first half. Thibs didnt seem to mind. i was scratching my head when it was more then once or twice he took those.

Alo, I'm still surprised teams dont just double KD hard after the catch. he is AWFUL passing out of double teams. only toronto seems to have realized this and always holds him in check and beats us or gives us a run. I figured thibs would too... maybe saving it for potentially bigger game?

About IQ that’s his game for better or worst. Irrational scoring confidence which sometimes is a big boost for the team off the bench. I look at it as Thibs just letting him play his game and living with the results. Unfortunately last night wasn’t one of those nights where he was hot.

And agreed doubling Durant is definitely something I would’ve tried but I could see why Thibs didn’t with Harden also being out there. If he kicks it to James and your defense is already in scramble mode Harden is almost certain to exploit it imo

[Deeeez Knicks]

Quickley's defense continues to be solid. He has really improved on that end. Bringing lot's of energy, contesting shots, reading the passing lanes.

33.3% DFG% in that game.

Should Quickley be our starting SG or keep him off the bench? I think we should look at starting him and get our best players on the floor more. But either way he should be getting more min then Fournier and has earned them

the best starting lineup probably puts fournier or rj on the bench. i'm not a big rj fan but benching him tanks his value so i wouldn't do that. plus he's the better defender and that's needed more in the starting lineup. would they, after spending so much money on him, move evan to the bench ? don't think so but i never imagined they would take kemba out of the rotation.

mitch
randle
burks
rj or forunier
iq

RJ does a lot of other things like rebound, defend, etc so i would def keep him in there. I think his shot will come around. His size helps too with the way Thibs likes to play defense, and seems to make a difference.