GT: Knicks at Nets. 11/30/2021 7:30 pm EST - TNT

[Karate Diop]

Also just wanted to throw out that our old players on the team can't learn new tricks, so that's why I'm so adamant on incorporating the younger players somehow... The regular season is a marathon not a single race...

[sashaturiaf]

Always awesome to beat the knicks. this game gave me heartburn. my thoughts...

1) Nets v. Knicks has juice. This is why i said it was a travesty that it was nets/lakers not nets/knicks on christmas day. doesnt matter whose good or bad or who is playing or not. Nets/Knicks will be good TV. WTF cares about nets/lakers? NBA missed that one. give us nets knicks every christmas.

2) Why in the world are we not switching everything the last defensive possesion when the knicks tied it at 110? I mean, Thibs brought Fournier off the bench specifically because he can hit threes. Fournier had shot well. it was clear the play would be for fournier. How do you not switch that? thats basketball 101. its one thing if you overplay the switch and he slips backdoor for an easy layup. your still up 1 with the ball. The knicks had ZERO timeouts. We were in the Bonus. there were under 24 seconds. switch everything and take a quick foul. We had a stoppage and got to sub in brown/defenders too. no excuses. just awful.

3) Bembry is a G,

4) WTF are we leaving three point shooters to double Randle? that killed us like 4 or 5 times. we left shooters to double him. Randle wasnt even playing well offensively. took him 23 shots to get 24 points. There is no need to double team Randle who was taking triple crossover step back jumpers all night. we were never gonna lose with Randle outshooting LMA/KD from the mid range. Again, just awful prep, awful strategy, and 0 adjustments

5) Why do we refuse to call a timeout when teams go on 10-0 or more runs? we dont kill momentum and we dont sub. its awful. We had huge leads on the knicks. we call timeouts at 6-0 or 9-1 runs and we can help maintain and rebuild those leads. Whats worse is when we get a TV timeout to finally end the bleeding, nash just comes right back our of the timeoute with the same lineup and 0 adjustments.

6) I get KD is going to take the majority of his shots in isolation. he is arguably the best iso scorer ever. i get he is going to take mid range shots, he is arguably the best mid range shooter ever. That said, that cant just be the only offensive attack we have from KD. we put ZERO pressure on the D off-ball with KD. We dont make the defense move. its predictable. its a pindown or baseline mid posts. it easy to send help. and its easy to keep the primary defender on him. How about have KD set an offball screen for mills. it gets mills an open 3 or forces an off ball switch. how about running KD action where he curls from outside down the line or aback door. there is just 0 creativity. we do nothing to put KD in the best spot to score, to make it impossible to guard. Teams run out on us because they dont need to rotate and can crash the glass or just run out.

7) the final possesion for us was terrible. We had KD just run clock from the top of the key. no action, nothing to prevent help. we saw a few possesion earlier they were going to double team KD high late in the clock and make him give it up. We made it super easy for them to force james johnson to take the last shot. props to JJ, although robinson bailed us out a bit. JJ hit the FTs, super clutch, but going back to game 3 vs. milwakuee. you have 2 mega star elite scorers and johnson/brown taking the last shots. every other team in the league gets their star a shot. Maybe KD still gives it up, be he had 0 shot to take that last shot. and we should have known it was coming. they just did it with success a few plays prior.

8) Quickly may have single handedly won it for us. he took like 6 YOLO curry territory threes and bricked the F out of them.

9) Harden was outstanding. i thought he might show out after the last loss and questions about his play. Dude has shown up as our best player in like half our games. he is playing all-nba level, even if still not his typical MVP self.

10) im not going to get on Milsap. its not his fault the coaches are playing him 20+ backup minutes. He should not be playing center. he should be 8-10 minutes at backup PF. i like his toughness, IQ on D, and rebounding on both ends. but he cant be that backup 5 getting big minutes. Blake is just better at the 5. he makes a ton of momentum plays. he would have taken 3 or 4 charges tonight.

11) thomas gave us real good minutes. his +/1 was not inidicative of hims impact. good shot selection nd his 4s felt would use him again for sure

always great to be the knicks. nash needs to resign.

2, 6, and 7 are inexcusable. No exaggeration to say any fan with a modicum of basketball knowledge wouldn't be worse than Nash at managing those things if you give them the resources that Nash has at his disposal.

I like Nash and he is clearly good at managing players' egos and morale, but our offense is simply ugly stuff considering we have 2 of the most unstoppable offensive forces in the league.

[NetsWorld]

The team still hasn't put it all together... This should have been a double digit shellacking.

If KD made most of his FG in first half, the game would have been out of reach. That’s how easy it would have been. We had a big lead and Knicks just got back in it with open threes and solid ball movement. KD clutch buried them. 15-6, still a solid record. Moves have to be made to help cover the weaknesses of this team. We need a 2008 Pau Gasol trade type move.

[MrDollarBills]

The team still hasn't put it all together... This should have been a double digit shellacking.

The Knicks are a well coached team. That automatically puts the Nets at a disadvantage.

[MrDollarBills]

Always awesome to beat the knicks. this game gave me heartburn. my thoughts...

1) Nets v. Knicks has juice. This is why i said it was a travesty that it was nets/lakers not nets/knicks on christmas day. doesnt matter whose good or bad or who is playing or not. Nets/Knicks will be good TV. WTF cares about nets/lakers? NBA missed that one. give us nets knicks every christmas.

2) Why in the world are we not switching everything the last defensive possesion when the knicks tied it at 110? I mean, Thibs brought Fournier off the bench specifically because he can hit threes. Fournier had shot well. it was clear the play would be for fournier. How do you not switch that? thats basketball 101. its one thing if you overplay the switch and he slips backdoor for an easy layup. your still up 1 with the ball. The knicks had ZERO timeouts. We were in the Bonus. there were under 24 seconds. switch everything and take a quick foul. We had a stoppage and got to sub in brown/defenders too. no excuses. just awful.

3) Bembry is a G,

4) WTF are we leaving three point shooters to double Randle? that killed us like 4 or 5 times. we left shooters to double him. Randle wasnt even playing well offensively. took him 23 shots to get 24 points. There is no need to double team Randle who was taking triple crossover step back jumpers all night. we were never gonna lose with Randle outshooting LMA/KD from the mid range. Again, just awful prep, awful strategy, and 0 adjustments

5) Why do we refuse to call a timeout when teams go on 10-0 or more runs? we dont kill momentum and we dont sub. its awful. We had huge leads on the knicks. we call timeouts at 6-0 or 9-1 runs and we can help maintain and rebuild those leads. Whats worse is when we get a TV timeout to finally end the bleeding, nash just comes right back our of the timeoute with the same lineup and 0 adjustments.

6) I get KD is going to take the majority of his shots in isolation. he is arguably the best iso scorer ever. i get he is going to take mid range shots, he is arguably the best mid range shooter ever. That said, that cant just be the only offensive attack we have from KD. we put ZERO pressure on the D off-ball with KD. We dont make the defense move. its predictable. its a pindown or baseline mid posts. it easy to send help. and its easy to keep the primary defender on him. How about have KD set an offball screen for mills. it gets mills an open 3 or forces an off ball switch. how about running KD action where he curls from outside down the line or aback door. there is just 0 creativity. we do nothing to put KD in the best spot to score, to make it impossible to guard. Teams run out on us because they dont need to rotate and can crash the glass or just run out.

7) the final possesion for us was terrible. We had KD just run clock from the top of the key. no action, nothing to prevent help. we saw a few possesion earlier they were going to double team KD high late in the clock and make him give it up. We made it super easy for them to force james johnson to take the last shot. props to JJ, although robinson bailed us out a bit. JJ hit the FTs, super clutch, but going back to game 3 vs. milwakuee. you have 2 mega star elite scorers and johnson/brown taking the last shots. every other team in the league gets their star a shot. Maybe KD still gives it up, be he had 0 shot to take that last shot. and we should have known it was coming. they just did it with success a few plays prior.

8) Quickly may have single handedly won it for us. he took like 6 YOLO curry territory threes and bricked the F out of them.

9) Harden was outstanding. i thought he might show out after the last loss and questions about his play. Dude has shown up as our best player in like half our games. he is playing all-nba level, even if still not his typical MVP self.

10) im not going to get on Milsap. its not his fault the coaches are playing him 20+ backup minutes. He should not be playing center. he should be 8-10 minutes at backup PF. i like his toughness, IQ on D, and rebounding on both ends. but he cant be that backup 5 getting big minutes. Blake is just better at the 5. he makes a ton of momentum plays. he would have taken 3 or 4 charges tonight.

11) thomas gave us real good minutes. his +/1 was not inidicative of hims impact. good shot selection nd his 4s felt would use him again for sure

always great to be the knicks. nash needs to resign.

2, 6, and 7 are inexcusable. No exaggeration to say any fan with a modicum of basketball knowledge wouldn't be worse than Nash at managing those things if you give them the resources that Nash has at his disposal.

I like Nash and he is clearly good at managing players' egos and morale, but our offense is simply ugly stuff considering we have 2 of the most unstoppable offensive forces in the league.

That final play was inexcusable. Nash should have known that they were going to double KD, and when they did there was no help at all coming and we got lucky that KD was able to find JJ and the fact that he was clutch at the line. It should never come to that

Reggie Miller was screaming all game for Durant and Harden to run the pick and roll. Instead the offense has everyone standing around watching them ISO into tough shots. Nash is capping the potential of this team.

[ArksNetsSince99]

The team still hasn't put it all together... This should have been a double digit shellacking.

The Knicks are a well coached team. That automatically puts the Nets at a disadvantage.

Hypothetically, there is two options but you can only choose one …

Option 1 - Kyrie returns next week and Nash stays for remaining of this season

Option 2- Kyrie doesn’t play another game as a Net , Nash is fired next week ( replaced with your preferred head coach)

Just curious what you guys choose ? I like Kyrie as a player but I’m leaning towards option 2

[Prokorov]

The team still hasn't put it all together... This should have been a double digit shellacking.

If KD made most of his FG in first half, the game would have been out of reach. That’s how easy it would have been. We had a big lead and Knicks just got back in it with open threes and solid ball movement. KD clutch buried them. 15-6, still a solid record. Moves have to be made to help cover the weaknesses of this team. We need a 2008 Pau Gasol trade type move.

I dont think that is true. I mean we built a 16 point lead and they cut it in 3 minutes. we then buils an 11 point lead and they tied it with under a minute to play. We had plenty of leads. we didnt do the things to sustain them.

Helping off fournier to double randle at the FT line while up 16 makes 0 sense. they got 6 points in 40 seconds on that and basically cut the lead in half. you play straight up even if Randle makes both shots your still up 12.

With a 16 point lead, dont help them out. if they want to try and claw back with 2 point mid range jumpers by randle with KD on him, be my guest.

Not taking timeouts on an 11-3 knicks run and then making 0 subs after the TV timeout is inexcusable.

[Prokorov]

The team still hasn't put it all together... This should have been a double digit shellacking.

The Knicks are a well coached team. That automatically puts the Nets at a disadvantage.

Hypothetically, there is two options but you can only choose one …

Option 1 - Kyrie returns next week and Nash stays for remaining of this season

Option 2- Kyrie doesn’t play another game as a Net , Nash is fired next week ( replaced with your preferred head coach)

Just curious what you guys choose ? I like Kyrie as a player but I’m leaning towards option 2

Option 1. Kyrie puts us in god mode and their is enormus value in star depth. we saw that vs milwaukee last year.
option 2 is a close second though. i mean this team defintely wins a ring as constructed with a good coach right?

[gigantes]

Reggie Miller was screaming all game for Durant and Harden to run the pick and roll.

Reggie's a good color guy on the whole, but when a nasally guy screams, it's never good for my eardrums... or psyche.

Just sayin'.

[Prokorov]

Randle bitching about fouls is sad. like bro they didnt miss a single foul on you. and your not gonna initiate much contact taking 18 dribbles and a step back 18 footer.

[MrDollarBills]

The team still hasn't put it all together... This should have been a double digit shellacking.

If KD made most of his FG in first half, the game would have been out of reach. That’s how easy it would have been. We had a big lead and Knicks just got back in it with open threes and solid ball movement. KD clutch buried them. 15-6, still a solid record. Moves have to be made to help cover the weaknesses of this team. We need a 2008 Pau Gasol trade type move.

I dont think that is true. I mean we built a 16 point lead and they cut it in 3 minutes. we then buils an 11 point lead and they tied it with under a minute to play. We had plenty of leads. we didnt do the things to sustain them.

Helping off fournier to double randle at the FT line while up 16 makes 0 sense. they got 6 points in 40 seconds on that and basically cut the lead in half. you play straight up even if Randle makes both shots your still up 12.

With a 16 point lead, dont help them out. if they want to try and claw back with 2 point mid range jumpers by randle with KD on him, be my guest.

Not taking timeouts on an 11-3 knicks run and then making 0 subs after the TV timeout is inexcusable.

Coaching malpractice.

[Prokorov]

Also, Thibs needs to real Quickly The eff in... how many 40 foot YOLO threes did he take?

[MrDollarBills]

Reggie Miller was screaming all game for Durant and Harden to run the pick and roll.

Reggie's a good color guy on the whole, but when a nasally guy screams, it's never good for my eardrums... or psyche.

Just sayin'.

but Reggie was 100% right though.

Reggie also got in Harden's ear before the game and put a battery in his back last night. Harden even said last night that their conversation helped a lot. Reggie hates the Knicks so much that he helped us out

[MrDollarBills]

Randle bitching about fouls is sad. like bro they didnt miss a single foul on you. and your not gonna initiate much contact taking 18 dribbles and a step back 18 footer.

Randle fouled KD on multiple shots and got away with it. But if he's going to keep losing his mind every time he plays us, I'm okay with it. It's the 2nd game in a row where he's lost his composure playing against us.

But I have to admit that you were right. Nets vs. Knicks should be a Christmas Day game. Barclays was a mad house last night with the hostile fans invading and the game was one of the best of the year on national television. It was so good they had TNT's guys raving about it.

Games like last night are good for the league.

[gigantes]

Option 1 - Kyrie returns next week and Nash stays for remaining of this season

Option 2- Kyrie doesn’t play another game as a Net , Nash is fired next week ( replaced with your preferred head coach)

I have a slightly different take here, with some caveats--

- Beard is getting back to his deadliness little by little, and that's great to see, and bodes very well for us

- KD is on track for a significant injury thanks to Nash's kowtowing to KD's insistence upon minutes. The bigger issue though is that Marks and even Tsai should know better. That's right-- this particular issue is a Sean Marks and Tsai Chung-Hsin problem way more than it is a KD (the hero) or a Nash (stuck in a hopeless position here) problem. Come at me.

- I'm no Nash fan. If he was a natural coaching prodigy, that would be one thing. But I agree with Bills and others-- his hire was little more than cronyism (not quite "nepotism"), and it's hard to understand Sean Mark's thinking process upon such.

- At the same time (even with Nash), without Giannis' dirty move, Nets are likely the champs for '20-21. Let's not completely forget that, i.e. the fact that we really did get screwed last season.

- Getting back to your question-- I DEFINITELY take Kyrie over Nash. With feckin' bells hangin' off (as the Irish say). But yeah, Jacques Vaughn, baby!

[MrDollarBills]

Option 1 - Kyrie returns next week and Nash stays for remaining of this season

Option 2- Kyrie doesn’t play another game as a Net , Nash is fired next week ( replaced with your preferred head coach)

I have a slightly different take here, with some caveats--

- Beard is getting back to his deadliness little by little, and that's great to see, and bodes very well for us

- KD is on track for a significant injury thanks to Nash's kowtowing to KD's insistence upon minutes. The bigger issue though is that Marks and even Tsai should know better. That's right-- this particular issue is a Sean Marks and Tsai Chung-Hsin problem way more than it is a KD (the hero) or a Nash (stuck in a hopeless position here) problem. Come at me.

- I'm no Nash fan. If he was a natural coaching prodigy, that would be one thing. But I agree with Bills and others-- his hire was little more than cronyism (not quite "nepotism"), and it's hard to understand Sean Mark's thinking process upon such.

- At the same time (even with Nash), without Giannis' dirty move, Nets are likely the champs for '20-21. Let's not completely forget that, i.e. the fact that we really did get screwed last season.

- Getting back to your question-- I DEFINITELY take Kyrie over Nash. With feckin' bells hangin' off (as the Irish say). But yeah, Jacques Vaughn, baby!

If Kyrie comes back, we are going to win the title

[LOUiS-D]

oh my goodness. those "refs you suck" chants were so delicious they had to be fattening.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The team still hasn't put it all together... This should have been a double digit shellacking.

The Knicks are a well coached team. That automatically puts the Nets at a disadvantage.

Hypothetically, there is two options but you can only choose one …

Option 1 - Kyrie returns next week and Nash stays for remaining of this season

Option 2- Kyrie doesn’t play another game as a Net , Nash is fired next week ( replaced with your preferred head coach)

Just curious what you guys choose ? I like Kyrie as a player but I’m leaning towards option 2

Kyrie and its not close. He would solve all of our problems offensively instantly.

Nash for all his faults is not so bad that hes going to sink our chances. I think he a slightly below average coach.

But you take the talent 10/10 times.

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Need to play this kid more period.

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