2022 G League Ignite guys

eminence · Post #61 » by **eminence** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:49 am

Caught up on the condensed games at least.

Scoot - dude is something else. If I could take him this year I'd take him #1 in a heart beat. Next year he gets to go up against Victor, whew. Go watch this guy play if you haven't, the most electric guard prospect I've seen in awhile.

Hardy - is he a good shooter or a great shooter? I have no idea as of now, but that's the question. If he's only a good shooter he's a mid/later first guy cause he doesn't do much else. If he's great, that's still mid lotto. Missing so far, but mechanics look decent and the FT% shows somebody who can fundamentally shoot.

Zeng - need to see more of, playing defense with his hands so far, so that's not good at all. Looks relatively skilled on offense.

Daniels - my favorite to watch play, a later lotto 1st guy I think. Good feel, makes plays all over, how much he can develop his shooting will be big. Doesn't have quite the handle of my earlier Haliburton comp, more disruptive defensively though, I could see him being a solid + big guard/small wing on that end.

Beauchamp - doesn't look like a guy who'll have much of an offensive role outside of spotting up and not that great of shooter. Getting a lot of fairly easy rim finishes that just don't exist in the NBA. Defensively solid, but would need to be pretty special to get me excited.

Foster - Reads energy 8th-9th man big upside to me. Don't think he has the size to play the 5 fulltime or the skills to really make it as a 4. Not that skilled for a modern 5 even.

RollingWave · Post #62 » by **RollingWave** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:43 am

eminence wrote:Caught up on the condensed games at least.

Scoot - dude is something else. If I could take him this year I'd take him #1 in a heart beat. Next year he gets to go up against Victor, whew. Go watch this guy play if you haven't, the most electric guard prospect I've seen in awhile.

Hardy - is he a good shooter or a great shooter? I have no idea as of now, but that's the question. If he's only a good shooter he's a mid/later first guy cause he doesn't do much else. If he's great, that's still mid lotto. Missing so far, but mechanics look decent and the FT% shows somebody who can fundamentally shoot.

Zeng - need to see more of, playing defense with his hands so far, so that's not good at all. Looks relatively skilled on offense.

Daniels - my favorite to watch play, a later lotto 1st guy I think. Good feel, makes plays all over, how much he can develop his shooting will be big. Doesn't have quite the handle of my earlier Haliburton comp, more disruptive defensively though, I could see him being a solid + big guard/small wing on that end.

Beauchamp - doesn't look like a guy who'll have much of an offensive role outside of spotting up and not that great of shooter. Getting a lot of fairly easy rim finishes that just don't exist in the NBA. Defensively solid, but would need to be pretty special to get me excited.

Foster - Reads energy 8th-9th man big upside to me. Don't think he has the size to play the 5 fulltime or the skills to really make it as a 4. Not that skilled for a modern 5 even.

Yeah that's another way to look at it, for Hardy the thing is in his highschool tapes he was bombing from 30 and also staking very difficult contested shots and making them at a good rate, if he can do that it does open up a lot of other parts of his game as he does handle the rock pretty well too. the problem is right now he's basically not hitting any 3s and trying to be a attack the basket first guy and that just makes no sense from what we saw previously. if just going on his current sample without any knowledge of his past you'd say he's like a late first maybe?

Daniels is one of the weirder prospects in terms of the combination of what he's good and not good at, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder on what you think he can/should be in the NBA, he does seem like a more peculiar peg that needs a pretty specific fit. Defensively he can be very good but I've also seen him straight up beat against faster guards quite a bit that I'm not sure if he's really this lock down guy at least against 1s. offensively there's a lot to like but you're also worried about two of the most fundamental part of anyone's game (dribbling and shooting.)

Beauchamp and Foster: yeah if you're more down on their fit that's a reasonable take, with Foster the question is that the track record of undersized bigs in the NBA isn't great, but the ones that do work tend to be really good. or let's just say he's a bit more balanced version of Montrez Harrell (there is similarity on offense, though Harrell is even more skilled), where do you really want to value someone like that today. (if we have a do-over Montrez probably should have gone like late lotto and not early 2nd right? but that's the fickle nature of the draft where 12 to 40ish the difference is often more in the eye of the beholder)

It should also be noted that for all these guys so far, Foster more than any of them has matched up against real dudes, just in these few games he's matched up against Harry Giles / Serge Ibaka / Jordan Bell/ Jonathan Kuminga. So I dunno, it's obviously all relative, but someone will take a swing towards the later first to early 2nd for sure.

With Beauchamp I guess the scouts will ask a lot more questions with the teams, you're right that a lot of the stuff he's getting is not stuff that happens very often in the NBA, but on the other hand, you do appreciate him actively trying to fill roles on a team with a lot of mouths to feed and not just hijacking the offense. The shooting isn't quite there but I don't think it's less there than most dudes of his ilk (pretty athletic wings types). i.e if you ask me if he's going to get there in 3 years? I can't rule that out, the question would really be he had a pretty checked track record before this so how coaches/team talk about him and workout looks probably matters a lot more than a normal prospect.

With Zeng, we'll have to see, obviously if he struggles to get on the floor this whole year then that basically sums it up, but assuming he will start calming down and play within himself a bit we'll see how that looks as it is true he's had the least exposure to high-end competition as any of these guys as even his highschool in Florida really never played anyone that serious (and he got hurt in China just before he had a chance to play against what's basically a CBA all-star team.) the flashes often look very good, but obviously, one doesn't get drafted base on a few flashes.

eminence · Post #63 » by **eminence** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:24 pm

That's a fair point on Fosters competition, I'll keep watching that.

But if I were to tier guys right now it'd be like this. Wouldn't rate Zeng yet.

Tier 1 (reasonably hope for All-NBA or higher, just a couple guys every draft, 1-3)
Scoot

Tier 2 (lower tier All-star, that mid lotto range, normally a handful of guys, 4-8)
Great shooting Hardy

Tier 3 (good starter, great bench guy, takes you to the end of the lotto and a bit past, 9-17)
Good shooting Hardy
Daniels

Tier 4 (solid rotation guy, into the early 2nd, 18-35)
Foster
Beauchamp

RollingWave · Post #64 » by **RollingWave** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:24 am

They won the second game against Stockton as well, rather impressive given that Stockton had played very well to start the season.

Their starting lineup got destroyed and the backup with Scoot + Jeter just destroyed everyone.

Scoot: continues to be dominant, best player in the game again. showed some warts like some careless passes but the good is just so good.

Daniels: One of the main reasons why their starting lineup got torched was again Daniels handling to start was very ugly, couldn't get into offense again and often just got into desperate pass situations and looked bad under pressure. looked better later on when he was with Jeter / Scoot .

Beauchamp / Foster: more or less continue the same generally solid play not as good as last game but not bad at all either, especially considering that they were part of that starting group that really sucked.

Zeng: a pretty terrible game again, keep getting fouls and just looked flustered/frustrated. obviously also don't help he was part of that early group that couldn't get into anything and he was the main off-ball guy.

EMG518 · Post #65 » by **EMG518** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:01 pm

I can't get over Scoot playing like this at 17. He potentially could go 1 in this draft if he was eligible.

The-Power · Post #66 » by **The-Power** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:11 pm

EMG518 wrote:I can't get over Scoot playing like this at 17. He potentially could go 1 in this draft if he was eligible.

I'll take it further and say that he would (or at least should) be far and away the first pick in this draft.

RollingWave · Post #67 » by **RollingWave** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:58 pm

I mean I'm a little floored by how bad his three point shot looks relative to how pure his mid range, but yeah other than that holy **** this guy is going to be a big star, he's like rich man's DeAaron Fox at worst

Chupchup · Post #68 » by **Chupchup** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:59 pm

It's a different team for them offensively when they have a #1 option (Scoot) who can pass/dribble/efficiently shoot. Then everyone can play off of Scoot. It's obvious the rest of the guys aren't #1 but secondary role players who don't make others better or are efficient shooters (Hardy). Granted this is probably due to a some of them just needing to mature and get stronger (ie Hardy?).

Scoot looks like a cross between Ja Morant and a Young Derrick Rose.

Hal14 · Post #69 » by **Hal14** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 5:15 pm

Chupchup wrote:Scoot looks like a cross between Ja Morant and a Young Derrick Rose.

Is there really that much difference between Ja Morant and young Derrick Rose?

Hal14 · Post #70 » by **Hal14** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 5:16 pm

RollingWave wrote:They won the second game against Stockton as well, rather impressive given that Stockton had played very well to start the season.

Their starting lineup got destroyed and the backup with Scoot + Jeter just destroyed everyone.

Scoot: continues to be dominant, best player in the game again. showed some warts like some careless passes but the good is just so good.

Daniels: One of the main reasons why their starting lineup got torched was again Daniels handling to start was very ugly, couldn't get into offense again and often just got into desperate pass situations and looked bad under pressure. looked better later on when he was with Jeter / Scoot .

Beauchamp / Foster: more or less continue the same generally solid play not as good as last game but not bad at all either, especially considering that they were part of that starting group that really sucked.

Zeng: a pretty terrible game again, keep getting fouls and just looked flustered/frustrated. obviously also don't help he was part of that early group that couldn't get into anything and he was the main off-ball guy.

What about Jaden Hardy? Or did he not play for some reason?

ROballer · Post #71 » by **ROballer** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 5:46 pm

Fun fact.

All three of Victor Wembanyama, Scoot Henderson and Emoni Bates(possible top 3 from 2023) are born at most within a month from one another.

And all 3 are uneligible for the 2022 draft by mere days(can't be born in 2004, 31 Jan 2003 last day of eligibility). 4 days for Victor, 28 days for Emoni, 36 days for Scoot.

What a **** bummer, imagine these 3 in next years's draft. Change these rules already, it's ridiculous.
We're going to miss a full year of their careers because they happened to be born a few days after a random set deadline.

Chupchup · Post #72 » by **Chupchup** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 5:54 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Chupchup wrote:Scoot looks like a cross between Ja Morant and a Young Derrick Rose.

Is there really that much difference between Ja Morant and young Derrick Rose?

They're probably pretty close.. I thought D Rose was more physical and stronger. More explosive. Morant doesn't seem to be as strong. Scoots cross over seems as quick and explosive like D rose.

Hal14 · Post #73 » by **Hal14** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 6:00 pm

ROballer wrote:Fun fact.

All three of Victor Wembanyama, Scoot Henderson and Emoni Bates(possible top 3 from 2023) are born at most within a month from one another.

And all 3 are uneligible for the 2022 draft by mere days(can't be born in 2004, 31 Jan 2003 last day of eligibility). 4 days for Victor, 28 days for Emoni, 36 days for Scoot.

What a **** bummer, imagine these 3 in next years's draft. Change these rules already, it's ridiculous.
We're going to miss a full year of their careers because they happened to be born a few days after a random set deadline.

There's no rush. They're only 17 yrs old right now.

The extra year will allow them to be stronger physically, more mature and better at basketball by the time they enter the league.

Back in the day, players had to play at least 2-3 college seasons before entering the NBA. Michael Jordan turned out ok. Bird turned 23 a month into his rookie year - he turned out ok too.

Chupchup · Post #74 » by **Chupchup** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 6:20 pm

Hal14 wrote:
RollingWave wrote:They won the second game against Stockton as well, rather impressive given that Stockton had played very well to start the season.

Their starting lineup got destroyed and the backup with Scoot + Jeter just destroyed everyone.

Scoot: continues to be dominant, best player in the game again. showed some warts like some careless passes but the good is just so good.

Daniels: One of the main reasons why their starting lineup got torched was again Daniels handling to start was very ugly, couldn't get into offense again and often just got into desperate pass situations and looked bad under pressure. looked better later on when he was with Jeter / Scoot .

Beauchamp / Foster: more or less continue the same generally solid play not as good as last game but not bad at all either, especially considering that they were part of that starting group that really sucked.

Zeng: a pretty terrible game again, keep getting fouls and just looked flustered/frustrated. obviously also don't help he was part of that early group that couldn't get into anything and he was the main off-ball guy.

What about Jaden Hardy? Or did he not play for some reason?

Probably related to this:

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clyde21 · Post #75 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 6:34 pm

cant believe thats actually a serious sentence.

EMG518 · Post #76 » by **EMG518** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 1:58 am

ROballer wrote:Fun fact.

All three of Victor Wembanyama, Scoot Henderson and Emoni Bates(possible top 3 from 2023) are born at most within a month from one another.

And all 3 are uneligible for the 2022 draft by mere days(can't be born in 2004, 31 Jan 2003 last day of eligibility). 4 days for Victor, 28 days for Emoni, 36 days for Scoot.

What a **** bummer, imagine these 3 in next years's draft. Change these rules already, it's ridiculous.
We're going to miss a full year of their careers because they happened to be born a few days after a random set deadline.

If you're 18 and want to declare you should be allowed. Scoot is a potential #1 this year.

He is going to waste a year next year in the Gleague, he looks like he can make an impact on an NBA team now.

BostonCouchGM · Post #77 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 2:12 am

Not sure what to make of Scoot. Physically and athletically he's Sexton 2.0. Much shorter than his listed 6'4" height, probably 6'2" in sneakers. They must be counting his fro. But he's obviously a better passer, defender and has higher BBIQ than Sexton so imho he'll be a better player. He lacks elite athleticism that limits his upside though he's still an elite prospect. Should be top 3-5. Now knowing Green is closer to 6'4" and not the 6'7" he was listed at, Scoot imo is a better prospect.

yoyoboy · Post #78 » by **yoyoboy** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 1:41 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:Not sure what to make of Scoot. Physically and athletically he's Sexton 2.0. Much shorter than his listed 6'4" height, probably 6'2" in sneakers. They must be counting his fro. But he's obviously a better passer, defender and has higher BBIQ than Sexton so imho he'll be a better player. He lacks elite athleticism that limits his upside though he's still an elite prospect. Should be top 3-5. Now knowing Green is closer to 6'4" and not the 6'7" he was listed at, Scoot imo is a better prospect.

To be fair if you give Sexton 2 inches more in height, 2 inches more in wingspan, legitimately good playmaking ability, and way better defense, that’s an awesome player. Because Sexton when healthy is a great scorer. He’s just severely lacking in everything else.

Post #79 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:36 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:Not sure what to make of Scoot. Physically and athletically he's Sexton 2.0. Much shorter than his listed 6'4" height, probably 6'2" in sneakers. They must be counting his fro. But he's obviously a better passer, defender and has higher BBIQ than Sexton so imho he'll be a better player. He lacks elite athleticism that limits his upside though he's still an elite prospect. Should be top 3-5. Now knowing Green is closer to 6'4" and not the 6'7" he was listed at, Scoot imo is a better prospect.

Given that he's still 17 until early February, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up a legit 6'4. The draft rules are fair to almost everyone - but not for him. When you could be a top 3 pick and aren't eligible for the draft, that's a lot of earnings ability thrown away. Granted, he'll end up perfectly fine, lol.

RollingWave · Post #80 » by **RollingWave** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 2:51 am

A few more games in the books, some updates

Hardy: playing better now, at least he's taking more 3s (and hitting them at a better clip too) now, and is starting to look like the guy we were hoping for, I do think his other aspect of game is a bit underrated, he does dribble very well and pass decently. when he manages to have people really worried about his shot he is a serious threat to get to the cup, but isn't quite dominant enough athletically to finish well there if the other team is ready for him there.

Scoot: cooled down a bit after that blazing hot start, still playing quite well, I'm especially shocked by how awesome his defense is, the offense isn't quite there every game but the defense is basically a guaranteed 3 to 5 steals or something crazy, between him and Daniels now they're a absolute terror in the backcourt (Beauchamp is quite agressive out there as well. Their latest game they managed to keep the OKC Blues (one of the hotter teams in the G League ) to just 89 points off the back of them forcing 23 TOs

Beauchamp: latest game was probably his first bad on in quite awhile, otherwise generally very solid.

Foster: Probably the most consistent of this group by far, every game is pretty good, and again he's going up against real dudes, last 2 game matched up against DJ Wilson (in the 2nd game clearly out played him.) I get the reservations on him but I'm starting to feel that at least against backups he'll probably be very good.

Daniels: the offense can be on or off, he's hit more 3s than I feared though it's still a bit hit or miss, the defense especially when he doesn't need to be up against fast small guards is really good though, awesome help side / deflection guy.

Zeng: finally had a bit of a perk up after really struggling badly for quite a few games (though he missed the latest game after not feeling super well after his booster shot.) finally had a stretch where he did quite a bit of things in short burst. needs to really calm down and play defense within himself though, looking like he just has zero experience playing defense against guys in his own range of athleticism.

So after a really rough start now with all their guys going this team looks kinda like a better Ignite team than last year's tbh, the overall quality of talent is higher and Scoot is obviously a must watch.