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Bulls vs Knicks @ MSG 12-2 6:30pm

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Re: Bulls vs Knicks @ MSG 12-2 6:30pm 

Post#21 » by dabig3 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 3:39 pm

heh, I thought the game was tonight. I had gotten so used to the Bulls having at most only 1 day of rest between games this past month.
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Post#22 » by NecessaryEvil » Wed Dec 1, 2021 5:37 pm

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Post#24 » by ImSlower » Wed Dec 1, 2021 6:12 pm

Got a good buddy going to the game tomorrow, his first Knicks game since Covid. If we could smash them to pieces so I can heckle him through FB, I'd be really happy. He's taking his kids, and the oldest is big enough now to start to learn the Knicks' natural inferiority to the Bulls. It's the circle of life, kid.
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Post#26 » by Jello Biafra » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:54 pm

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Post#27 » by madvillian » Wed Dec 1, 2021 9:24 pm

time for Ayo to shine.
dumbell78 wrote:Random comment....Mikal Bridges stroke is dripping right now in summer league. Carry on.


I'll go ahead and make a sig bet that Mikal is better by RPM this year than Zach.
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Re: Bulls vs Knicks @ MSG 12-2 6:30pm 

Post#28 » by cool007 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 11:19 pm

The way to beat the Knicks is making your open 3s. They will blitz on Zach and Demar so we will need to run the pick and roll with Vuc and Vuc should be open at the top of the 3pt line. If he knocks down a few, that will require a chain reaction. That means guys like Green/DJJ need to cut to the hoop and Ayo, Lonzo and Caruso need to spot up and without hesitant take and make their open 3s.

Simple game. But if we miss our open 3s, Knicks defense will go bezerk and we will have hard time scoring with them taking charges, shot blockers etc.

Since we will be rested, I expect us to be great at both ends of the floor and knock down the 3s and win this by 8 points.
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Post#29 » by weneeda2guard » Thu Dec 2, 2021 1:50 am

Our bench will be better defensively

We need more scoring otherwise lavine and derozan and vucevic will have dead legs by the 4th

Need carsuo ayo and maybe Troy Brown Jr to put some points on the board and not just watch derozan go iso
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Post#30 » by weneeda2guard » Thu Dec 2, 2021 1:55 am

A thibs team

They can look like they can beat anyone on any night or look like the worst team in the league so it depends on who we get
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Post#31 » by ImSlower » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:22 am

Was just thinking about Trae Young doing his villain thing in MSG. Ayo is a totally different dude, but they both have some young-blood swagger about them.

I'm now big-time hoping that without Coby, Donovan leans on Ayo's grit and confidence tomorrow. And the kid shines under the MSG lights and puts up some big-time shots.
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Post#32 » by bearadonisdna » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:28 am

Bulls are gonna have to dig deep to lose this game .
About to watch the last meeting and before tip off I notice the bulls are coming with a better version ( have vuc) and the Knicks are coming in at worser version ( starting Mitch ).
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Post#33 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:30 am

ImSlower wrote:Was just thinking about Trae Young doing his villain thing in MSG. Ayo is a totally different dude, but they both have some young-blood swagger about them.

I'm now big-time hoping that without Coby, Donovan leans on Ayo's grit and confidence tomorrow. And the kid shines under the MSG lights and puts up some big-time shots.



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Post#34 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:42 am

DDR and Zach about shout out at MSG
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Post#35 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:49 am

coldfish wrote:Thibs already used a ton of his tools on the Bulls and kind of showed the rest of the league what to do. The game Chicago lost against the Knicks was likely the first time they saw defensive changeups like that. Now they have seen it many times.

Hopefully the team is ready for the double teams and zones.


Vuc playing well destroys that strategy.
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Post#36 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:50 am

weneeda2guard wrote:Our bench will be better defensively

We need more scoring otherwise lavine and derozan and vucevic will have dead legs by the 4th

Need carsuo ayo and maybe Troy Brown Jr to put some points on the board and not just watch derozan go iso


We just had two days off for the first time in what seems like all season. They should not be tired tomorrow with normal minutes.
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Post#37 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Dec 2, 2021 6:01 am

This is the first time in a while the Bulls are back and can make a statement so of course let’s honor the classic I’m Back! There is not the same drama but still, there is that similar feel to an extent. Always gotta love playing in MSG

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Post#38 » by bearadonisdna » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:34 am

speaking of jordan,
in total points , demar is 1 point away from 1st in the league. Zach is 3rd.
it look like :
1. Durant 571
2. Derozan 570
3. Lavine 557

That is pretty spectacular. Thats all nba level for both these guys considering team record.
Last year the jazz had 3 all stars and so did brooklyn.
Each of those big 3 include their point guard.
The Bulls can boast a big 3 , and still have the luxury of elite point guard play.

If you dont believe in Vuc, when he was traded, he averaged 25ppg and 10+ rebounds and both numbers were higher than AD at the time .

This is elite roster construction, and lowkey one of the best rosters in the entire conference and league. At least from the top but generally that is the goal.
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Post#39 » by bearadonisdna » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:48 am

A question , this to me is another look offensively,
what if javonte became more of a ballhandler ?
And he is he were like draymond point forward to a pretty lethal 4 man group.

We can get javonte involved in the offense and have 4 guys out which would stretch out a zone.

Even under Boylen , it felt like we had multiple offenses. In my opinion this could be a good look. With an elite point guard like lonzo, its not like the bread and butter but maybe an option when the bulls offense gets stuck in the halfcourt.
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Re: Bulls vs Knicks @ MSG 12-2 6:30pm 

Post#40 » by bearadonisdna » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:59 am

Points of interest / concern in my opinion:
1. RJB rounding into his Harden archetype at the wrong time right on our heads.

2. Quickley low key being the knicks best point guard, yes better than rose so dont let him get all tyrese maxey or SGA on us. (all kentucky guards)

3. Burks - the new pointguard but i feel he is stretched thin, he is ball handling , running offense when his offense and defense is needed on the wing. In all honesty also gives me a little bit of a harden vibes. We dont want that.

4. While the knicks may have a lot of positives, Mitch seems to be a pretty major handicap.
This is a guy who could possibly challenge for 6moy. As a starter, some people say he doesnt rotate on shooters, but his skill is limited and basically anchored a historically bad knicks lineup. As many positives as the knicks can have, in my opinion his is the number #1 flaw on the team and the primary reason the knicks are just .500. Basically DAJ part 2 and we are talking about present day.

5. Wanted to say Thibs is coaching from another planet but there are so many positives other than the Mitch stuff that it might not be fair. For example Donovan, ive disagreed a ton but recently we seem to agree on at least a starting lineup. While there are bumps in the road following donovan, theres a lot of common ground and it makes it much easier to understand. Its like thibs is speaking a different language than everybody, with donovan its looking like only a few phrases that im not getting /following.

6. Just between us, we know julius has not been always playing at his all nba level. If he does not, do we wanna get beat by a bunch of middle men? Here i say dont let Thibs off the hook.

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