Game 22: Sacramento Kings @ Los Angeles Clippers: Déc 1 7:30 PM PCT

[Wammy Giveaway]

First 3-game losing streak of the season for Clippers. Their playoffs run is now completely compromised.

But I gotta hand it to them: going 6-0 in preventing 3-game losing streaks since their rematch vs. Mavs in last year's playoffs. Coming back from down 2-0 twice while denying Mavs, Jazz and Suns the commanding 3-0 lead became their primary sense of urgency. Also, I have to admire their poise despite their difficulty in trying to lash out. They still get technical fouls and flagrant fouls, but we have not seen any regular season ejections by any Clipper under Tyronn Lue.

Friday vs. the Lakers is going to be a disaster. I wouldn't be surprised if DeAndre Jordan has a breakthrough Laker game just because his opponent is his former team.

[esqtvd]

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[Captain Ballmer]

Gotta have Kawhi and PG on the court playing for guys like Morris, Zu, Reggie, and Bledsoe to look competent otherwise they need to sit, especially Morris. Good to see the youth get some run. Boston is the truth and Keon and Scrubb has nice upside as well. Hart is better than Zu. For right now in reality it would be nice to have the older guys play less and put the youth with PG, Batum, and Serge but I doubt that will happen. Boston definitely should be in the rotation from here on out.

Couldn't agree more. All those 30+ years old veteran pieces are valuable only the complement the core guys. They know their strengths and weaknesses and try to fit in with as much as possible to main guys to help them win a game. When you don't have your guys to play this type of game happens.

Young guys otoh, they don't have a clue about their weaknessess and strengths yet, they don't try to fit in, they go out there to establish their name and game. Discover their abilities, test them.

I think the Bledsoe&Reggie experiment should be over after this moment and B.Boston should start instead one of them till Kawhi returns.

[NickP]

I think Ty is simply following the coaching tradition of giving enough playing time to a veteran coming back from injury. That'd be Sr.
But Ty is also smart enough to see what's not working. At least I'm hoping he's smart enough to make changes in the lineup but not have a knee jerk reaction to something.
I have a feeling this team will get up for the Lakers and use that as another turning point to salvage the season.

[KL2]

I still can’t imagine what Lue was thinking starting Zu/Ibaka/Morris in the front court. Against an athletic team. I wonder if Morris slept at all after what Terrence Davis did to him. Whew. Talk about shame.

I’m not sure why it has to be all or nothing for the rookies? No one here thinks we need to ride them to a championship. We’re 20 something games into the season and the team is starting them all off like they're noon games. No fight. No urgency. No pride in what they’re doing. This team needs a jolt. We have three youngsters on the team who are fearless and have confidence through the roof. Yes, they’re inexperienced, will make mistakes, but they’re not going to learn on the sidelines because of reasons. This team could use a dose of that mindset. Instead we got old vets who are sleepwalking half the time and spending the other half waiting to see who is going to do what.

I wish someone in the media would call out Lue.

[TheNewEra]

I still can’t imagine what Lue was thinking starting Zu/Ibaka/Morris in the front court. Against an athletic team. I wonder if Morris slept at all after what Terrence Davis did to him. Whew. Talk about shame.

I’m not sure why it has to be all or nothing for the rookies? No one here thinks we need to ride them to a championship. We’re 20 something games into the season and the team is starting them all off like they're noon games. No fight. No urgency. No pride in what they’re doing. This team needs a jolt. We have three youngsters on the team who are fearless and have confidence through the roof. Yes, they’re inexperienced, will make mistakes, but they’re not going to learn on the sidelines because of reasons. This team could use a dose of that mindset. Instead we got old vets who are sleepwalking half the time and spending the other half waiting to see who is going to do what.

I wish someone in the media would call out Lue.

The big to big stuff was the only thing working. Morris missing shots wasn’t going to make a difference at SF or PF it was just a off night. The bench completely fell apart tonight and it seems so odd the starters are getting blamed for the game getting out of hand when they played it close even with poor shooting games for Morris and Jackson

[TheNewEra]

It’s amazing what a little energy can do to a team. Boston and Johnson mostly with a little Scrubb late. Lue is too stubborn to give those guys minutes though. He’d rather watch the old, slow, and uninspired drag this team down.

Hartenstein always brings energy. Kennard and Mann stepped theirs up after watching Boston and Johnson. Don’t underestimate what energy can bring. It’s infectious. We just got a big fat lesson on that type of play from the Kings tonight.

We’re about to get another b2b whooping by the Lakers/Kings this weekend.

The bench was god awful last night and let the lead get out of hand. Kennard mentioned the unit has played poorly since early Nov and yet again the defense with Mann-Kennard-Hartenstein looked bad. Kennard and Mann had about 5 and 6 points each until the game was in blowout form late third so this was far from the game to spin a narrative.

[TheNewEra]

Gotta have Kawhi and PG on the court playing for guys like Morris, Zu, Reggie, and Bledsoe to look competent otherwise they need to sit, especially Morris. Good to see the youth get some run. Boston is the truth and Keon and Scrubb has nice upside as well. Hart is better than Zu. For right now in reality it would be nice to have the older guys play less and put the youth with PG, Batum, and Serge but I doubt that will happen. Boston definitely should be in the rotation from here on out.

Couldn't agree more. All those 30+ years old veteran pieces are valuable only the complement the core guys. They know their strengths and weaknesses and try to fit in with as much as possible to main guys to help them win a game. When you don't have your guys to play this type of game happens.

Young guys otoh, they don't have a clue about their weaknessess and strengths yet, they don't try to fit in, they go out there to establish their name and game. Discover their abilities, test them.

I think the Bledsoe&Reggie experiment should be over after this moment and B.Boston should start instead one of them till Kawhi returns.

It was a bad shooting night and it’s no point doing something drastic down both star players. Lineups need some tweaking but that game didn’t give the clippers any type of real hope because Scrubb, Boston, and Johnson won’t get consistent minutes.

Hell going by last night we should use Justise Winslow as the backup C

[Clemenza]

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[Clemenza]

It’s amazing what a little energy can do to a team. Boston and Johnson mostly with a little Scrubb late. Lue is too stubborn to give those guys minutes though. He’d rather watch the old, slow, and uninspired drag this team down.

Hartenstein always brings energy. Kennard and Mann stepped theirs up after watching Boston and Johnson. Don’t underestimate what energy can bring. It’s infectious. We just got a big fat lesson on that type of play from the Kings tonight.

We’re about to get another b2b whooping by the Lakers/Kings this weekend.

The bench was god awful last night and let the lead get out of hand. Kennard mentioned the unit has played poorly since early Nov and yet again the defense with Mann-Kennard-Hartenstein looked bad. Kennard and Mann had about 5 and 6 points each until the game was in blowout form late third so this was far from the game to spin a narrative.

The bench was experimental last night as Lue was trying out putting Boston into the mix but the starters are just so lifeless and simply going through the motions out there. If PG and Kawhi are out there with them Reggie, Bledsoe, Zu, Morris are game changing players.. barely competent and passable at this stage of their careers. Remember the game last year where ATL was killing us and Lue sat everybody and Kennard and Mann brought us back. That's where we're currently at now. The starting five outside of PG is not good.

[TheNewEra]

It’s amazing what a little energy can do to a team. Boston and Johnson mostly with a little Scrubb late. Lue is too stubborn to give those guys minutes though. He’d rather watch the old, slow, and uninspired drag this team down.

Hartenstein always brings energy. Kennard and Mann stepped theirs up after watching Boston and Johnson. Don’t underestimate what energy can bring. It’s infectious. We just got a big fat lesson on that type of play from the Kings tonight.

We’re about to get another b2b whooping by the Lakers/Kings this weekend.

The bench was god awful last night and let the lead get out of hand. Kennard mentioned the unit has played poorly since early Nov and yet again the defense with Mann-Kennard-Hartenstein looked bad. Kennard and Mann had about 5 and 6 points each until the game was in blowout form late third so this was far from the game to spin a narrative.

The bench was experimental last night as Lue was trying out putting Boston into the mix but the starters are just so lifeless and simply going through the motions out there. If PG and Kawhi are out there with them Reggie, Bledsoe, Zu, Morris are game changing players.. barely competent and passable at this stage of their careers. Remember the game last year where ATL was killing us and Lue sat everybody and Kennard and Mann brought us back. That's where we're currently at now. The starting five outside of PG is not good.

You are aware that those said Mann and Kennard situation last year was to push players out of the rotation like Lou Williams? Johnson, Scrubb and Boston Jr are far more likely to eat into the minutes of Mann and Kennard with them struggling as of late and being indecisive when it’s not garbage time. Comparing ATL game to last night is saying Winslow should play more minutes over Hartenstein who’s been playing poor defense inside and anchored a underperforming bench defense. Morris and Bledsoe type moves are likely to be fixed with trades and a player like Batum not a 3rd string to 1st string jump.

You are greatly underestimating how poorly the team as a whole is playing. The bench hasn’t been good enough consistently

Mann and Kennard are beyond getting brownie points for performing in garbage time that was last season. We need that effort earlier in the game when they were looking off shots that Boston Jr would take. I’m sure they will bounce back but last night was not a start for the roles they have on this team now.

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[Clemenza]

The bench was god awful last night and let the lead get out of hand. Kennard mentioned the unit has played poorly since early Nov and yet again the defense with Mann-Kennard-Hartenstein looked bad. Kennard and Mann had about 5 and 6 points each until the game was in blowout form late third so this was far from the game to spin a narrative.

The bench was experimental last night as Lue was trying out putting Boston into the mix but the starters are just so lifeless and simply going through the motions out there. If PG and Kawhi are out there with them Reggie, Bledsoe, Zu, Morris are game changing players.. barely competent and passable at this stage of their careers. Remember the game last year where ATL was killing us and Lue sat everybody and Kennard and Mann brought us back. That's where we're currently at now. The starting five outside of PG is not good.

You are aware that those said Mann and Kennard situation last year was to push players out of the rotation like Lou Williams? Johnson, Scrubb and Boston Jr are far more likely to eat into the minutes of Mann and Kennard with them struggling as of late and being indecisive when it’s not garbage time. Comparing ATL game to last night is saying Winslow should play more minutes over Hartenstein who’s been playing poor defense inside and anchored a underperforming bench defense. Morris and Bledsoe type moves are likely to be fixed with trades and a player like Batum not a 3rd string to 1st string jump.

You are greatly underestimating how poorly the team as a whole is playing. The bench hasn’t been good enough consistently

Mann and Kennard are beyond getting brownie points for performing in garbage time that was last season. We need that effort earlier in the game when they were looking off shots that Boston Jr would take. I’m sure they will bounce back but last night was not a start for the roles they have on this team now.

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No doubt Mann and Kennard have been struggling. That goes without saying. I didn't mean to exclude them and their lackluster play I think with those two along with Coffey we're basically starting to realize they they've pretty much reached their ceiling as far as improvement goes. The leap in play that we hoped to see from them doesn't look like its going to take place. They actually weren't that good even in the WCF's series against the Sons last season. I was just kinda focused on the rooks yesterday but yeah Mann still passing up layups and shots and Luke getting clamped down and unable to get shots off is kind of past tense for me now.

[esqtvd]

No doubt Mann and Kennard have been struggling. That goes without saying. I didn't mean to exclude them and their lackluster play I think with those two along with Coffey we're basically starting to realize they they've pretty much reached their ceiling as far as improvement goes. The leap in play that we hoped to see from them doesn't look like its going to take place. They actually weren't that good even in the WCF's series against the Sons last season. I was just kinda focused on the rooks yesterday but yeah Mann still passing up layups and shots and Luke getting clamped down and unable to get shots off is kind of past tense for me now.

Ouch. FTR--While the game was still close the starters were around 0 [except Bledsoe] and H-M-K were all minus-11 or worse. This is no Lou & Trezz Show. [And costs more.]

There are some encouraging combinations with Bledsoe. Perhaps he and Mann should switch places.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=3&TeamID=1610612746&CF=MIN*G*30&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

[TheNewEra]

The bench was experimental last night as Lue was trying out putting Boston into the mix but the starters are just so lifeless and simply going through the motions out there. If PG and Kawhi are out there with them Reggie, Bledsoe, Zu, Morris are game changing players.. barely competent and passable at this stage of their careers. Remember the game last year where ATL was killing us and Lue sat everybody and Kennard and Mann brought us back. That's where we're currently at now. The starting five outside of PG is not good.

You are aware that those said Mann and Kennard situation last year was to push players out of the rotation like Lou Williams? Johnson, Scrubb and Boston Jr are far more likely to eat into the minutes of Mann and Kennard with them struggling as of late and being indecisive when it’s not garbage time. Comparing ATL game to last night is saying Winslow should play more minutes over Hartenstein who’s been playing poor defense inside and anchored a underperforming bench defense. Morris and Bledsoe type moves are likely to be fixed with trades and a player like Batum not a 3rd string to 1st string jump.

You are greatly underestimating how poorly the team as a whole is playing. The bench hasn’t been good enough consistently

Mann and Kennard are beyond getting brownie points for performing in garbage time that was last season. We need that effort earlier in the game when they were looking off shots that Boston Jr would take. I’m sure they will bounce back but last night was not a start for the roles they have on this team now.

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No doubt Mann and Kennard have been struggling. That goes without saying. I didn't mean to exclude them and their lackluster play I think with those two along with Coffey we're basically starting to realize they they've pretty much reached their ceiling as far as improvement goes. The leap in play that we hoped to see from them doesn't look like its going to take place. They actually weren't that good even in the WCF's series against the Sons last season. I was just kinda focused on the rooks yesterday but yeah Mann still passing up layups and shots and Luke getting clamped down and unable to get shots off is kind of past tense for me now.

I think it just takes adjustments. I wouldn’t say anyone has peaked or closed to it especially the younger guys but roles for everyone keep getting moved and it’s hard to build consistency. We still haven’t seen what this roster can do at full strength and I’m not talking about Kawhi back type full strength it’s everyone else. This team still has plenty of room to grow it’s about putting everything together. Our expectations overall just need to be scaled back for everyone

[esqtvd]

You are aware that those said Mann and Kennard situation last year was to push players out of the rotation like Lou Williams? Johnson, Scrubb and Boston Jr are far more likely to eat into the minutes of Mann and Kennard with them struggling as of late and being indecisive when it’s not garbage time. Comparing ATL game to last night is saying Winslow should play more minutes over Hartenstein who’s been playing poor defense inside and anchored a underperforming bench defense. Morris and Bledsoe type moves are likely to be fixed with trades and a player like Batum not a 3rd string to 1st string jump.

You are greatly underestimating how poorly the team as a whole is playing. The bench hasn’t been good enough consistently

Mann and Kennard are beyond getting brownie points for performing in garbage time that was last season. We need that effort earlier in the game when they were looking off shots that Boston Jr would take. I’m sure they will bounce back but last night was not a start for the roles they have on this team now.

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No doubt Mann and Kennard have been struggling. That goes without saying. I didn't mean to exclude them and their lackluster play I think with those two along with Coffey we're basically starting to realize they they've pretty much reached their ceiling as far as improvement goes. The leap in play that we hoped to see from them doesn't look like its going to take place. They actually weren't that good even in the WCF's series against the Sons last season. I was just kinda focused on the rooks yesterday but yeah Mann still passing up layups and shots and Luke getting clamped down and unable to get shots off is kind of past tense for me now.

I think it just takes adjustments. I wouldn’t say anyone has peaked or closed to it especially the younger guys but roles for everyone keep getting moved and it’s hard to build consistency. We still haven’t seen what this roster can do at full strength and I’m not talking about Kawhi back type full strength it’s everyone else. This team still has plenty of room to grow it’s about putting everything together. Our expectations overall just need to be scaled back for everyone

Not to take sides bros because I consider you both among the very best contributors and positive influences on our board. My gripe is not with the coach or even the players. It's the FO.

For the same money, we could have had Dennis Schroder instead of Justise WTFslow, ffs. Dennis is a real NBA player; Justise can't even beat out a 2nd-round G-Leaguer for PT.

I do think that Luke and T-Mann are already showing us their ceilings when the chips are down. And Zu too. I don't hate them like I hate the long-term signing of the complete waste of a Clippers uni Marcus Morris, but none of them will ever average 15 ppg for us like JJ Redick, Lou, Trezz, or--dare I say it--Austin Rivers. [Yes, he did once, you could look it up.]

But I do think Ty has no choice but to give them minutes to get their sh*it together and hope for the best. Hartenstein too. Even Bledsoe if we move him to the second unit. KL and PG aren't getting any younger. The rookies are too far away.

Ty has to keep playing the hand that Ballmer's FO dealt him until a trade is made. But if I'm a GM, I don't want ANYTHING the Clippers have to offer. Ty has no choice but to showcase our garbage.

[Clemenza]

Just looked ahead at our schedule and its brutal asf

[madmaxmedia]

No doubt Mann and Kennard have been struggling. That goes without saying. I didn't mean to exclude them and their lackluster play I think with those two along with Coffey we're basically starting to realize they they've pretty much reached their ceiling as far as improvement goes. The leap in play that we hoped to see from them doesn't look like its going to take place. They actually weren't that good even in the WCF's series against the Sons last season. I was just kinda focused on the rooks yesterday but yeah Mann still passing up layups and shots and Luke getting clamped down and unable to get shots off is kind of past tense for me now.

I think it just takes adjustments. I wouldn’t say anyone has peaked or closed to it especially the younger guys but roles for everyone keep getting moved and it’s hard to build consistency. We still haven’t seen what this roster can do at full strength and I’m not talking about Kawhi back type full strength it’s everyone else. This team still has plenty of room to grow it’s about putting everything together. Our expectations overall just need to be scaled back for everyone

Not to take sides bros because I consider you both among the very best contributors and positive influences on our board. My gripe is not with the coach or even the players. It's the FO.

For the same money, we could have had Dennis Schroder instead of Justise WTFslow, ffs. Dennis is a real NBA player; Justise can't even beat out a 2nd-round G-Leaguer for PT.

I do think that Luke and T-Mann are already showing us their ceilings when the chips are down. And Zu too. I don't hate them like I hate the long-term signing of the complete waste of a Clippers uni Marcus Morris, but none of them will ever average 15 ppg for us like JJ Redick, Lou, Trezz, or--dare I say it--Austin Rivers. [Yes, he did once, you could look it up.]

But I do think Ty has no choice but to give them minutes to get their sh*it together and hope for the best. Hartenstein too. Even Bledsoe if we move him to the second unit. KL and PG aren't getting any younger. The rookies are too far away.

Ty has to keep playing the hand that Ballmer's FO dealt him until a trade is made. But if I'm a GM, I don't want ANYTHING the Clippers have to offer. Ty has no choice but to showcase our garbage.

I mean Schroeder wouldn't just be an upgrade over Winslow, he'd be a nice upgrade over Bledsoe too. I wonder what our chances would have been had we courted him- pretty good I imagine.

I'm okay with Morris when he's healthy, the re-sign was obviously not a value signing but fine as a capped-out Bird Rights re-up. He is reasonably versatile as a front court player and is a plus when he's hitting 3's (mostly great last year, we'll see this year.) His top line contract number is the same as Kennard's, but unlike Kennard all of that is guaranteed.

I think our FO has definitely done some things right, but has also made the mistakes that have left us unable to really capitalize on the good to potentially put us over the top.