Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[nate33]

Agreed on Grant, he's really just a guy on offense, but I like his flexibility on defense and that's where I really like the idea of plugging him into the Wizards starting lineup as a small forward.

Not a chance I'd send a draft pick straight up, but if I could parlay Hachimura + Bertans + 1st into Grant I'd have to think long and hard about whether that's not a worthwhile consideration.

Not when Grant costs $21M next year and is an UFA the year after. You just gave up a 1st and a cost-controlled asset in Hachimura for the right to rent an average SF for $21M for just 1 year.

Hachimura will be a UFA just like Grant, I'd look at it as a first for purging Bertans deal at worst.

It's all moot though, I'd prefer to see Rui playing meaningful minutes under this staff before involving him in any transaction.

No. Hachimura will be a restricted free agent. That's a big difference.

I sympathize with the desire to dump Bertans, but I think it's imprudent to do so now when his value is lowest. The team has the luxtax flexibility to retain KCP and one of Harrell/Bryant this offseason, so there really isn't much urgency to move Bertans at the moment. I'd be patient, try to rebuild his value some, and then move him next year when is hopefully playing better and has one less year on his contract.

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IMO, the Wiz should explore a trade for Jerami Grant. He's at an age that fits perfectly with Beal, Dinwiddie, KCP, Harrell, etc. Deni is a nice young player but he is still developing and not on the same time-line as your main guys. The Pistons might even be open to taking on Bertans' contract as they rebuild, and Avdija would have the time/space to better develop his game too.

Jerami Grant for Bertans + Avdija (or Rui) + 2022 1st...

I'm sorry, but that's just absolutely terrible. Even getting us out from under Bertans's contract... it's still terrible. Grant isn't particularly good, hence his age is irrelevant.

Plus, he's making $20m, meaning that bringing on the 15th player to complete the roster very likely puts us in the luxury tax.

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...I'd just go for Rui for Haliburton straight up, and then see if extra incentive was needed....

Just curious. Do you think that's reasonable value to offer? I.e. does that represent a reasonable assessment, in your mind, of the value of the two assets in the trade?

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I sympathize with the desire to dump Bertans, but I think it's imprudent to do so now when his value is lowest....

You've expressed this pov a few times, but I wonder about it. Especially in the context of...

...The team has the luxtax flexibility to retain KCP and one of Harrell/Bryant this offseason....

It sounds like dumping Bertans now would mean we could keep both of Harrell & Bryant.

If so, I would far prefer to do that instead of attempting to rebuild Bertans' value in order to get more for him.

For one thing, it's speculative how much we can rebuild in Bertans' value. For another, it would only make sense if it meant we could get a player for him who has the value of either Harrell or Bryant.

I'd say the latter is a long shot. Moreover, even keeping 1 of those 2 guys might wind up difficult with Bertans' contract weighing things down.

That said, it might simply be impossible to trade Bertans -- this year or next!

[pcbothwel]

...I'd just go for Rui for Haliburton straight up, and then see if extra incentive was needed....

Just curious. Do you think that's reasonable value to offer? I.e. does that represent a reasonable assessment, in your mind, of the value of the two assets in the trade?

A couple things.
1) I really like Haliburton and have so for 2 years...but my worry about him is the same as it always was. Very limited player that looks good with some analytics because he has a high IQ and picks his spots (Very much like Lonzo Ball). His 16.5% usage clearly illustrates this as it has over the last 3 years. That is EXTREAMLY low for his role. That is KCP type 3&D usage, not primary or even secondary decision maker.

2) I did mention in my original trade that Rui would of had to come back for a few weeks and shown something worthwhile.

Again, I just have this feeling that in a few years we'll look at him the same way we look at Otto. Key cog on a contender, but not a 3rd, or even reliable 4th piece. For a team like the Kings with no playmaking big and only Barnes on the wing, Haliburton should be doing more as there is clearly a need for ballhandling and playmaking.

[nate33]

That said, it might simply be impossible to trade Bertans -- this year or next!

Yes. We can't dump him right now without paying A LOT.

And I have no particular desire to keep both Bryant and Harrell. Together, they will cost something around 25M. You don't pay $25M for 24 minutes a game of center play.

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That's kind of a good point, nate!

[gambitx777]

That said, it might simply be impossible to trade Bertans -- this year or next!

Yes. We can't dump him right now without paying A LOT.

And I have no particular desire to keep both Bryant and Harrell. Together, they will cost something around 25M. You don't pay $25M for 24 minutes a game of center play.

I personally don't wanna see what Bryant looks like playing some PF in this system next to gafford and Harrell carrying most of the D load.

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[nate33]

That said, it might simply be impossible to trade Bertans -- this year or next!

Yes. We can't dump him right now without paying A LOT.

And I have no particular desire to keep both Bryant and Harrell. Together, they will cost something around 25M. You don't pay $25M for 24 minutes a game of center play.

I personally don't wanna see what Bryant looks like playing some PF in this system next to gafford and Harrell carrying most of the D load.

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Sigh.

We've been over this on this board a dozen times. It's NEVER going to happen. Neither Harrell nor Bryant can play PF. And even if they did, they wouldn't post the same numbers they post as centers. Centers are productive because they are near the basket. You can't have two people near the basket.

[Dat2U]

Yes. We can't dump him right now without paying A LOT.

And I have no particular desire to keep both Bryant and Harrell. Together, they will cost something around 25M. You don't pay $25M for 24 minutes a game of center play.

I personally don't wanna see what Bryant looks like playing some PF in this system next to gafford and Harrell carrying most of the D load.

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Sigh.

We've been over this on this board a dozen times. It's NEVER going to happen. Neither Harrell nor Bryant can play PF. And even if they did, they wouldn't post the same numbers they post as centers. Centers are productive because they are near the basket. You can't have two people near the basket.

The minutes for Bryant aren't really there either. Bryant could be Trezz insurance if Trezz becomes too pricey and that's definitely something to watch. Overpaying for an undersized backup C that's light on the defensive end is fraught with potential risks.

Rui's situation and how well were playing likely prevents any consolidation moves initially planned for after mid-Dec when last summer's free agents can be traded. We need to see Rui on the floor and how he fits with the current group to determine if he or Kuz is potentially the excess piece moved with Bryant for a wing or even maybe another playmaker. (Bertans would be too costly to move IMO right now).

[Dat2U]

Also I like Dinwiddie personally but based on him struggling to get to the rim atm... if Philly would swap Ben Simmons for Spencer & Davis I'd jump on it.

[gambitx777]

I again think it's worth an experiment.
Bryant has some range and he could maybe work as a 4 having every big be a good rebounder with Russ gone isn't a bad thing. And if Bryant can stay on the floor with gafford or Trez and hit some open jumper and be useable, why not he's a good young player why not try to utilize him instead of writing him off.
Also I thi k ruis future is at 3 not 4

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[Ruzious]

The one 2-bigs combo I think has a chance is Gafford and Bryant - because of Bryant's 3 point shooting range and size/length and Gafford's defensive ability. Trez is great at what he does, but he doesn't come close to having any of those qualities.

[NatP4]

I very much like a Rui for Haliburton move. Why the hell would the Kings do that though?

I still think something centered around Kuzma for Derrick White would be the move to make.

[NatP4]

Just let it die. We will never play any of Gafford, Bryant, Harrell at PF. Unseld should be fired on the spot if he ever even tried that.

No chance we re-sign both of Bryant and Harrell and pay that much money to 3 centers.

[bsilver]

We have to give Bryant playing time somewhere. Based on past performance he might be our second best player, after Harrell. And we're desperate for better 3 point shooting.

Some think it can't be at PF, but have to give it a shot. It's been quite a while since he played any PF, and I don't think it was a very big sample size to determine he couldn't play there. And that was under Brooks who most of us don't think could be trusted to bring out the most in his players.

[NatP4]

We have to give Bryant playing time somewhere. Based on past performance he might be our second best player, after Harrell. And we're desperate for better 3 point shooting.

Some think it can't be at PF, but have to give it a shot. It's been quite a while since he played any PF, and I don't think it was a very big sample size to determine he couldn't play there. And that was under Brooks who most of us don't think could be trusted to bring out the most in his players.

it is not going to happen. Bryant has below average lateral quickness for a C. There is no chance at all that he could play the 4 position, which basically has to be another wing player that can switch onto guards in the new NBA. The exact same goes for Harrell.

This idea just totally needs to die. Bryant can get playing time at the 5 if one of Gafford/Harrell gets hurt or catches covid/flu or something. Other than that, he's an afterthought/trade bait. It's great depth to have though, same goes for having Rui and Gill at the 4 behind Bertans/Kuzma

this team has a ridiculous amount of depth but needs to trade some of it in to improve the overall talent level.

[dckingsfan]

I very much like a Rui for Haliburton move. Why the hell would the Kings do that though?

They won't. The trade they might do is Buddy Hield for Bertans & Hachimura as a base. They are desperately seeking help at forward.

I like Hield coming off the bench behind Beal. I like him as an insurance policy if Beal goes a different direction.

[Ruzious]

It's not like Haliburton is setting the world en fuego. His scoring has gone down from 15.5 per 40 to only 12.4 while his shooting percentages have gone down - which is a bit surprising. And they drafted Davion Mitchell - who's also a 3rd guard type - with the 9th pick - which makes Hali tradable - considering they also have Fox and Hield. They need a forward to complement Barnes and a center to share the load with Holmes. Barnes and Holmes are having fabulous seasons. Not saying Hali will come cheap, but I doubt Sac considers him untouchable by any stretch.

[dckingsfan]

It's not like Haliburton is setting the world en fuego. His scoring has gone down from 15.5 per 40 to only 12.4 while his shooting percentages have gone down - which is a bit surprising. And they drafted Davion Mitchell - who's also a 3rd guard type - with the 9th pick - which makes Hali tradable - considering they also have Fox and Hield. They need a forward to complement Barnes and a center to share the load with Holmes. Barnes and Holmes are having fabulous seasons. Not saying Hali will come cheap, but I doubt Sac considers him untouchable by any stretch.

Wow, I get to disagree with you . I think Sac feels that feels that the trio of Fox, Halliburton and Mitchell is their long-term future.

I think the odd man out is Hield - which (in my mind (and I am no GM)) would be a good thing for us?

Edit: If you wanted to "sell high" on Avidja (you don't believe in his long-term future) then you swap Avidja for Rui.