Ball Don't Lie: The LaMelo Ball Thread

Post #1761 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:52 am

SWedd523 · Post #1762 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:01 am

Ball strikes me as someone who would thrive from a very direct, no BS, hands on developmental coach. All of the talent in the world but hasn't really had anyone holding him accountable or keeping him in check since he was basically a pre-teen.

It's still on him to be receptive and, to my surprise, he very much so appears to be despite his incredibly flamboyant outward projection.

Folks dog on JB a lot as a coach, but there's no denying he has been at the head of some pretty awesome player development. Guys like Devonte and Miles, Cody Martin, Melo, even guys like McD and Dicky, hell you could even argue Rozier a little bit. Really the only guy who hasn't had positive development has been PJ which has more to do with his personal life than anything else.

Post #1763 » by **fatlever** » Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:41 am

gone are the old days were our young players never improved, except kemba..... after 6 years.
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felton
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not a a single **** one showed real noticeable improvement

HornetJail · Post #1764 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:27 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Ball strikes me as someone who would thrive from a very direct, no BS, hands on developmental coach. All of the talent in the world but hasn't really had anyone holding him accountable or keeping him in check since he was basically a pre-teen.

It's still on him to be receptive and, to my surprise, he very much so appears to be despite his incredibly flamboyant outward projection.

Folks dog on JB a lot as a coach, but there's no denying he has been at the head of some pretty awesome player development. Guys like Devonte and Miles, Cody Martin, Melo, even guys like McD and Dicky, hell you could even argue Rozier a little bit. Really the only guy who hasn't had positive development has been PJ which has more to do with his personal life than anything else.

we must have some ridiculously good shooting coach in the ranks because nearly all these guys have gone from mediocre shooters to good/great ones.

Rozier was a brick layer in Boston till he came here
Melo had major shot questions as a prospect and put those all to bed quickly
Miles was a mediocre shooter his first two years and became very good
McDaniels/Martin both got to a good level
Monk figured it out in year 4
Devonte' blew up in 19-20
even PJ who doesn't appear to have improved much since coming to the NBA, wasn't much of a shooter in college

JB doesn't miss with the player development. For this alone, I'm happy to keep him and his staff around for now. This is where we truly appreciate how large a difference it is between him and Clifford

Post #1765 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:38 am

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MPM · Post #1766 » by **MPM** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:48 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Ball strikes me as someone who would thrive from a very direct, no BS, hands on developmental coach. All of the talent in the world but hasn't really had anyone holding him accountable or keeping him in check since he was basically a pre-teen.

It's still on him to be receptive and, to my surprise, he very much so appears to be despite his incredibly flamboyant outward projection.

Folks dog on JB a lot as a coach, but there's no denying he has been at the head of some pretty awesome player development. Guys like Devonte and Miles, Cody Martin, Melo, even guys like McD and Dicky, hell you could even argue Rozier a little bit. Really the only guy who hasn't had positive development has been PJ which has more to do with his personal life than anything else.

we must have some ridiculously good shooting coach in the ranks because nearly all these guys have gone from mediocre shooters to good/great ones.

Rozier was a brick layer in Boston till he came here
Melo had major shot questions as a prospect and put those all to bed quickly
Miles was a mediocre shooter his first two years and became very good
McDaniels/Martin both got to a good level
Monk figured it out in year 4
Devonte' blew up in 19-20
even PJ who doesn't appear to have improved much since coming to the NBA, wasn't much of a shooter in college

JB doesn't miss with the player development. For this alone, I'm happy to keep him and his staff around for now. This is where we truly appreciate how large a difference it is between him and Clifford

You left out Oubre. Easily a career year from 3 this year.

HornetJail · Post #1767 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:03 am

truth.... provided it holds up. Oubre has been known to go on long cold stretches (see: his first 10+ games with GS, it's why they hate him there)

but i'm encouraged

Benjamin Linus · Post #1768 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 1:16 pm

The way players improve their shooting here, I have no doubt Bouknight will be hitting a high volume, high percentage from three by year two or three

Hell, at this point, I'm fully expecting Kai and Thor to be shooting upper 30's if not over 40% in a year or two. Our ability to develop shooters is definitely worth noting. I'd say keep on targeting talented players who are below average shooters and build them up

Benjamin Linus · Post #1769 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 1:34 pm

Kinda random but just noticed how similar of a season LaMelo and Dejounte Murray are having

LaMelo - 19.3 PTS - 8.2 AST - 7.8 REBS - 1.9 STL - 3.1 TO - 41 FG% - 38 3P% - 20.8 PER
Murray - 19.1 PTS - 8.1 AST - 8.5 REBS - 2.0 STL - 2.3 TO - 45 FG% - 31 3P% - 20.3 PER

Liver_Pooty · Post #1770 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 12:27 pm

Hes now shooting 39% from deep on nearly 7.5 attempts a game. That's currently better than Trae Young is doing this year (or any season for that matter) and on more attempts. I never, ever envisioned him being this good of a shooter for any season his entire career. Let alone just his second year.

SWedd523 · Post #1771 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 1:40 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Hes now shooting 39% from deep on nearly 7.5 attempts a game. That's currently better than Trae Young is doing this year (or any season for that matter) and on more attempts. I never, ever envisioned him being this good of a shooter for any season his entire career. Let alone just his second year.

especially considering how many bad shots he takes

Post #1772 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:45 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Hes now shooting 39% from deep on nearly 7.5 attempts a game. That's currently better than Trae Young is doing this year (or any season for that matter) and on more attempts. I never, ever envisioned him being this good of a shooter for any season his entire career. Let alone just his second year.

If he keeps shooting like that then "all" he has to do is add some bulk/muscle to help him finish at the rim and the kid will be pretty much unstoppable.

Roll Tide 09 · Post #1773 » by **Roll Tide 09** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:04 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Hes now shooting 39% from deep on nearly 7.5 attempts a game. That's currently better than Trae Young is doing this year (or any season for that matter) and on more attempts. I never, ever envisioned him being this good of a shooter for any season his entire career. Let alone just his second year.

If he keeps shooting like that then "all" he has to do is add some bulk/muscle to help him finish at the rim and the kid will be pretty much unstoppable.

He’ll end up with several 28-10-10 seasons.

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HornetJail · Post #1774 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:20 pm

He's just crossed 20ppg for the first time...

I literally never expected him to hit that mark in his career, let alone age 20... unreal

Liver_Pooty · Post #1775 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:15 pm

I just can't on the GB with the Edwards vs Ball stuff. I think Ball is better and I honestly don't even think it's even close. Only thing people continously say is Edwards being stronger and more athletic. Like, okay.

Post #1776 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:29 pm

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:He's just crossed 20ppg for the first time...

I literally never expected him to hit that mark in his career, let alone age 20... unreal

I previously thought that if he was putting up 20pp a game, he'd be taking 25-30 shots to do it.

Post #1777 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 11:07 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I just can't on the GB with the Edwards vs Ball stuff. I think Ball is better and I honestly don't even think it's even close. Only thing people continously say is Edwards being stronger and more athletic. Like, okay.

It reminds me a bit of 2005/06 when Jazz fans were desperately trying to convince everyone that Deron Williams was as good as Chris Paul.

Don't get me wrong Anthony Edwards is a great player, I just feel like Ball has another gear on him and has crazy vision and feel which are harder to come by than scoring ability.

KembaWalker · Post #1778 » by **KembaWalker** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:27 am

every debate on that board is the same..LaMelo could be better in 1000000 different ways, 99% of the game of basketball, and someone will just post the 1 thing Edwards is better and and act like that just validates their entire position.
"hes just more athletic"
ok? so is Dennis Smith Jr. it'd be like if I just went into a conversation and tried to mic drop it with "oh yeah? Lamelos a better passer" and patted myself on the back

and the arguments are never consistent. youll see the same guys using an advanced stat to pump or dump someone in one thread and then when its not favorable to their current debate that stat is suddenly useless or needs "extra context" and some condescending snide remark about how you just don't understand the stats in this particular instance

dumb

Post #1779 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 1:19 am

I honestly could not care less if Edwards is better than LaMelo.

Perhaps he is - like I said, I really don't care.

I only care about LaMelo, and I am stoked with him.

So even if Edwards is better it means nothing to me, because how good Edwards is will not impact how happy I am that we have LaMelo.

Post #1780 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 3:11 pm

LaMelo is in COVID protocols.

**** awesome.