GT #21, Cavaliers @ Mavericks, 29 November 2021, 8:30 PM ET

[Andri]

Sexton is great for a 6th man scorer. If you are thinking as a starter, he will be fool's gold. Same old story as it was for Russell in Minnesota. He can score, but the team won't play the same with him, period, and in my mind, the team won't be as succesful as it is now.

In fact, I feel bad for his injury, of course, but maybe it has been a blessing in disguise for Cleveland

[Revenged25]

Yep. The Cavs suffer droughts where they cannot get shots off and Rubio is carrying one heck of a load.

Rubio at 25mpg is a better player than Rubio at 35mpg and the Cavs are robbing backup PG to fill the SG role.


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Fair enough. Though I'm willing to pay that price for the sake of getting the ball to our three talented bigs. They're maturing before our eyes. Hands down, getting Rubio was a fantastic move.

In my view Sexton going ISO 20 times a game is kind of a team offense killer. Sort of empty calories.

I think the Cavs do better in the long run having more democratic distribution of scoring chances. Sign me in the Rubio Extension Camp.

So.....if it becomes a choice of either/or with Rubio and Sexton? Find a trade with one and sign the other, which way do you go? Admittedly there are a ton of variables, particularly Sexton's injury but lets say the trade return on either is similar, Rubio would probably be cheaper, more beneficial to the type of offense being run, better defensively and would likely take a shorter term contract. Is he actually more valuable to the team than Sexton? It's been a small sample size but so far I would say definitely yes.

Sexton will get a better return than Rubio, especially with Sexton likely to end up signing a more reasonable contract, though probably 3 years, so a S&T with Sexton could get someone better and fitting the roster. Heck even before Sexton becomes a S&T they might be able to find piece for a team that is already tanking this year and would like to have Sexton's RFA rights as they were going to make an offer next year anyways or even if that team doesn't have anything the Cavs would want they could send value to a 3rd team for someone the Cavs might want. For example if the Cavs could get Dillon Brooks from the Grizzlies. Although I love Sexton, the team is looking good and as long as they can get someone that can score from the SG spot they'll be extremely tough this year. Plus Brooks has good length so a line-up of:

PG: Garland/Rubio
SG: Brooks/Okoro
SF: Lauri/Osman
PF: Mobley/Love
C: Allen/Davis

Is pretty good 2 deep with much better overall height even with Brooks being 6'7.

[FranchisePlayer]

Yep. The Cavs suffer droughts where they cannot get shots off and Rubio is carrying one heck of a load.

Rubio at 25mpg is a better player than Rubio at 35mpg and the Cavs are robbing backup PG to fill the SG role.


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Fair enough. Though I'm willing to pay that price for the sake of getting the ball to our three talented bigs. They're maturing before our eyes. Hands down, getting Rubio was a fantastic move.

In my view Sexton going ISO 20 times a game is kind of a team offense killer. Sort of empty calories.

I think the Cavs do better in the long run having more democratic distribution of scoring chances. Sign me in the Rubio Extension Camp.

So.....if it becomes a choice of either/or with Rubio and Sexton? Find a trade with one and sign the other, which way do you go? Admittedly there are a ton of variables, particularly Sexton's injury but lets say the trade return on either is similar, Rubio would probably be cheaper, more beneficial to the type of offense being run, better defensively and would likely take a shorter term contract. Is he actually more valuable to the team than Sexton? It's been a small sample size but so far I would say definitely yes.

Since Garland is here, I'd say that alone decides Sexton is the odd man out of that trio.

[FranchisePlayer]

Fair enough. Though I'm willing to pay that price for the sake of getting the ball to our three talented bigs. They're maturing before our eyes. Hands down, getting Rubio was a fantastic move.

In my view Sexton going ISO 20 times a game is kind of a team offense killer. Sort of empty calories.

I think the Cavs do better in the long run having more democratic distribution of scoring chances. Sign me in the Rubio Extension Camp.

So.....if it becomes a choice of either/or with Rubio and Sexton? Find a trade with one and sign the other, which way do you go? Admittedly there are a ton of variables, particularly Sexton's injury but lets say the trade return on either is similar, Rubio would probably be cheaper, more beneficial to the type of offense being run, better defensively and would likely take a shorter term contract. Is he actually more valuable to the team than Sexton? It's been a small sample size but so far I would say definitely yes.

If it's one or the other, it's a leap of faith to say anything but Ricky right now. Ideally, we get both signed to reasonable deals and can let things shake out.

Collin isn't even 23 yet and it's just painful to give up on a young player unless his cost makes it crazy ... otoh if we really need something out of Collin he's not well suited to giving, it may just be time to move on. If he just has to be the guy with the ball in his hands surrounded by defenders and shooters, then let him go find that elsewhere. It doesn't appear to be our direction.

Word.

[gflem]

Fair enough. Though I'm willing to pay that price for the sake of getting the ball to our three talented bigs. They're maturing before our eyes. Hands down, getting Rubio was a fantastic move.

In my view Sexton going ISO 20 times a game is kind of a team offense killer. Sort of empty calories.

I think the Cavs do better in the long run having more democratic distribution of scoring chances. Sign me in the Rubio Extension Camp.

So.....if it becomes a choice of either/or with Rubio and Sexton? Find a trade with one and sign the other, which way do you go? Admittedly there are a ton of variables, particularly Sexton's injury but lets say the trade return on either is similar, Rubio would probably be cheaper, more beneficial to the type of offense being run, better defensively and would likely take a shorter term contract. Is he actually more valuable to the team than Sexton? It's been a small sample size but so far I would say definitely yes.

Sexton will get a better return than Rubio, especially with Sexton likely to end up signing a more reasonable contract, though probably 3 years, so a S&T with Sexton could get someone better and fitting the roster. Heck even before Sexton becomes a S&T they might be able to find piece for a team that is already tanking this year and would like to have Sexton's RFA rights as they were going to make an offer next year anyways or even if that team doesn't have anything the Cavs would want they could send value to a 3rd team for someone the Cavs might want. For example if the Cavs could get Dillon Brooks from the Grizzlies. Although I love Sexton, the team is looking good and as long as they can get someone that can score from the SG spot they'll be extremely tough this year. Plus Brooks has good length so a line-up of:

PG: Garland/Rubio
SG: Brooks/Okoro
SF: Lauri/Osman
PF: Mobley/Love
C: Allen/Davis

Is pretty good 2 deep with much better overall height even with Brooks being 6'7.

Thanks, great feedback! And I would definitely be down with the idea of a guy like Brooks if it could be done. There is still (always?) the thought of giving up on a talent like Sexton so young is going to come back to bite us in the a$$ but I just don't think the roster can defend with both Sexton and Garland as starters.

[LesGrossman]

I think Ricky Rubio might. He's been trying to pick up Sexton's scoring load and failing miserably, shooting 32% from the field and 30% from 3 in his last 9 games.

Yeah, he's getting a little bit of ahead of himself. Pushing his shots.

OTOH, he's made plays and created scoring chances for others. Something Sexton is unable to do.

At this point, to me, Rubio > Sexton and not even particularly close. Call me old school.

Yep, super scoring Rubio has been MIA lately, but it's easy to dismiss given he's giving us competent and aggressive PG play.

Call me new school, but I'm just not going to complain about the player who leads our team with +4.1 on-court +/- and +10.1 on-off even as his TS% dips below 50%.

The trick to picking up Collin's scoring was always to spread it around to the hot hand any given night. If Ricky was firing up 20+ shots a night without regard to how many he bricked, I'd be concerned.

In Collin's highest scoring game last year, he gave us 42 points on 29 shots in a win .vs. Brooklyn.

In this last game .vs. Dallas, Lauri and Jarrett (two guys who can't create their own shot) scored 52 points on 32 shots, .vs. Orlando they gave us 39 points on 22 shots.

So, that's how we get it done ... move the ball and generate even higher % shots than a scorer having a career game.

He keeps having bad shooting nights and earning huge +- and that is a trend he has been keeping up for all the teams he has played on. Its actually simple - he helps with winning, and if you could choose between a hero-balling super shooter with zero playmaking or defensive abilities, who scores 40 every night but your team keeps losing, or having Rubio, then the choice should be obvious. But its also true that most fans dont even understand the value he brings.

I'd recommend focussing on his help defense and earned extra posessions for one game instead of griping on about his shooting. Just count how many charges he takes, steals, deflections, offensive rebounds, other kinds of turnovers caused simply by being 2-3 seconds ahead of what happens. That is winning basketball. I'm seeing a ton more of that in Rubio than in Garland even. How one could seriously compare his value to Sexton is just puzzling.