[Shams]Kyrie not close to being vaccinated, won’t play unless traded

[BlazersBroncos]

Negotiations for the next CBA will be very, very interesting.

It's also time to question whether basketball is a priority for Kyrie.

Going to be an absolute nightmare. Headed toward lockout.

Unfortunately, I fear negotiations for the next CBA is trending towards a lockout as well. This matter boils down to Kyrie’s personal choice; well, just how far does that choice stretch? Can players refuse to play, as a matter of personal preference in protest of other laws, social matters, or league-related practices (e.g., the NBA’s dealings with China) by sitting out games? How do franchises and the league remedy such matters without nullifying player protections, such as guaranteed contracts?

Have it be treated like every other freaking job and simply not pay people that are not fulfilling their job obligations?

[trickshot]

Negotiations for the next CBA will be very, very interesting.

It's also time to question whether basketball is a priority for Kyrie.

He already said basketball isn't a priority. In that podcast with KD I think said basketball is just something he does and not what's really important. That his family and community were his true passion or something of the ilk. His own statements a year ago pretty much foreshadowed everything that's happening now.

[King4Day]

Most logical choice is Simmons for Irving. Seems like a massive win for both teams who effectively gain an all-star for a player who isn't playing resulting in massive bumps to both teams.

With that said i see Philly as extremely motivated sitting at 11-11 and completely out of the playoff currently.
The Nets are 15-6, first place in the east, and look like they can win the title without Kyrie so their primary focus is gonna be to not piss of Durant or Harden.

The issue is, both teams are contending for the East crown. Irving may help Philly more than Simmons would have.

Knowing Simmons can't really play off-ball (lack of shooting), as he would for some of the time in Brooklyn (behind Harden and KD), it's hard to see that working, or for both teams to not have their doubt in the back of their mind that it could backfire.

But I do agree as well. It's a trade that makes so much sense from a talent standpoint, from both sides.
In the end, I think Philly won't do it since he's probably not on their 'list of 30 players'.

[xAIRNESSx]

Kyrie gonna Kyrie

[Sark]

Negotiations for the next CBA will be very, very interesting.

It's also time to question whether basketball is a priority for Kyrie.

This has nothing really to do with the NBA, nor the CBA. This is all about the city of New York not allowing any unvaccinated resident/worker to enter any large gatherings during this pandemic.

Imagine if a sick person went to a game, and it turns into a super spreader event. In a city the size of NYC, it could spread like wild fire.

[Educator]

Negotiations for the next CBA will be very, very interesting.

It's also time to question whether basketball is a priority for Kyrie.

This has nothing really to do with the NBA, nor the CBA. This is all about the city of New York not allowing any unvaccinated resident/worker to enter any large gatherings during this pandemic.

Imagine if a sick person went to a game, and it turns into a super spreader event. In a city the size of NYC, it could spread like wild fire.

It does have to do with the NBA because a player is willfully sitting out games by refusing to comply with local rules and is abdicating his responsibility to his team yet he is still getting paid an enormous sum of money. No owner is going to continue to put up with this and this entitled behavior from both Irving and Simmons is absolutely going to have an effect on the next CBA.

[LivingLegend]

Has any player in the league tanked their own reputation over the 3-5 year span harder than Kyrie has tanked his reputation?

Honestly, the dude was universally loved in Cleveland and since 2016 he has gone from pent house to out house.

[infinite11285]

Just do Simmons for Kyrie and get it over with.

I really don't think Philly would entertain a trade for Kyrie unless Harden’s involved.

[yosemiteben]

Just do Simmons for Kyrie and get it over with.

I really don't think Philly would entertain a trade for Kyrie unless Harden’s involved.

As in they are getting both Harden and Kyrie?

Like...is Embiid coming back or something? Where is PHI getting that sort of value?

[G_Misconduct]

No team would trade for him IMO. Brooklyn is stuck with him

Why would you give up anything of value to get a guy who might not be able to play in a playoff series depending on where it took place?

[lakerz12]

Just do Simmons for Kyrie and get it over with.

Why would the Sixers do this?

There's no guarantee Kyrie will ever play again. He's injury prone even when he does play.

I would much rather have some great draft picks or a couple good young players in return for Simmons.

If that were viable, the Sixers would have already executed that trade. The fact is, both players have tanked their respective trade values, and the only way EITHER team gets anything RESEMBLING a decent return for either of them is if they are traded for each other and given a fresh start.

If they are both equally worthless, neither team benefits from that trade.

At least Simmons will actually play for a new team, in theory. Kyrie seems committed to sitting out the season.

I could be wrong, but I think a contender could be willing to trade some assets for Simmons.

Kyrie on the other hand is worth nothing, imo.

[DaeDae]

Why would the Sixers do this?

There's no guarantee Kyrie will ever play again. He's injury prone even when he does play.

I would much rather have some great draft picks or a couple good young players in return for Simmons.

If that were viable, the Sixers would have already executed that trade. The fact is, both players have tanked their respective trade values, and the only way EITHER team gets anything RESEMBLING a decent return for either of them is if they are traded for each other and given a fresh start.

If they are both equally worthless, neither team benefits from that trade.

At least Simmons will actually play for a new team, in theory. Kyrie seems committed to sitting out the season.

I could be wrong, but I think a contender could be willing to trade some assets for Simmons.

Kyrie on the other hand is worth nothing, imo.

Worthless is relative. Simmons is currently worthless to Philly. A lot less so to Brooklyn.

I do agree that Kyrie has tanked his value more globally than Simmons. But there's always a team on the fringe of the playoffs that will believe taking the risk will put them over the top. If Philly is faultering in february, it could very well be them.

[UcanUwill]

I dont know what is here to discuss if we arent just gonna crap on Kyrie who has made a wrong life decision every time since he decided hes just dont want to be LeBrons teammate for some reason. Hope this guy just fades into nothing at this point.

[UcanUwill]

Negotiations for the next CBA will be very, very interesting.

It's also time to question whether basketball is a priority for Kyrie.

This has nothing really to do with the NBA, nor the CBA. This is all about the city of New York not allowing any unvaccinated resident/worker to enter any large gatherings during this pandemic.

Imagine if a sick person went to a game, and it turns into a super spreader event. In a city the size of NYC, it could spread like wild fire.

But if most people are vaccinated, shouldnt that stop the spread to a big point?

[Hobo4President]

Dude should just retire at this point

[nshidbaby]

Negotiations for the next CBA will be very, very interesting.

It's also time to question whether basketball is a priority for Kyrie.

This has nothing really to do with the NBA, nor the CBA. This is all about the city of New York not allowing any unvaccinated resident/worker to enter any large gatherings during this pandemic.

Imagine if a sick person went to a game, and it turns into a super spreader event. In a city the size of NYC, it could spread like wild fire.

This is definitely much more a health issue than basketball-related. I would go even further and say this is "human rights" issue. There is a lot of misinformation and controversy surrounding the vaccine mandates. Fairness and human rights should always be part of the conversation. Simply jumping to one side without considering human rights just adds to the controversy.

There is a way for the NBA to bypass the politics and simultaneously protect the organization by allowing Kyrie to be tested every game and play at least part-time with the Nets. Let's be honest here, it's really about big business politics taking priority over human rights. Remember 2/3rds Compromise, Jim Crow, suffrage movement? Now let think in the context of the NBA with someone not standing for the National Anthem or declining to take a rushed vaccine with no apparent reported adverse side effects.

A lockout is probably coming in the near future.

[infinite11285]

Just do Simmons for Kyrie and get it over with.

I really don't think Philly would entertain a trade for Kyrie unless Harden’s involved.

As in they are getting both Harden and Kyrie?

Like...is Embiid coming back or something? Where is PHI getting that sort of value?

Honestly, I have no idea how it would work, but I do remember the 76ers reportedly having Harden on their list of players they'd accept in a Ben Simmons trade.

[Goomba3666]

Top 3 most exciting players in the league and we dont get to see him play. Sucks for all of us.

Propaganda is a helluva drug.

[VDT]

Just do Simmons for Kyrie and get it over with.

This only happens with KD's(and to some extent Harden) approval and I actually don't think it will happen this season because I think Durant and Harden both still think that they can win a title on their own without Irving playing. But if they lose early or don't win I could see them giving the go-ahead after the season is over to trade him. The bigger question is would the Nets/KD give Kyrie the heads up and let him know that they are actively trying to trade him in order to avoid the potential public blowback from him if you do it without his knowledge. Kyrie seems like the type who would be vocal if you betray him.

The Sixers would do this in a heartbeat though. A heartbeat.

Kyrie is not only a headcase but completely overrated. I dont really think Morey makes that trrade.

[dhsilv2]

Just do Simmons for Kyrie and get it over with.

This only happens with KD's(and to some extent Harden) approval and I actually don't think it will happen this season because I think Durant and Harden both still think that they can win a title on their own without Irving playing. But if they lose early or don't win I could see them giving the go-ahead after the season is over to trade him. The bigger question is would the Nets/KD give Kyrie the heads up and let him know that they are actively trying to trade him in order to avoid the potential public blowback from him if you do it without his knowledge. Kyrie seems like the type who would be vocal if you betray him.

The Sixers would do this in a heartbeat though. A heartbeat.

I don't think the 76ers would do this. I think they've even stated as such.