Is Evan Mobley the most valuable asset in the league?

NRSV · Post #41 » by **NRSV** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:33 pm

I am interested in other opinions but they have to be valid opinions.

QingJames · Post #42 » by **QingJames** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:37 pm

NRSV wrote:
QingJames wrote:
NRSV wrote:
if somebody hit a home run in each of their first 18 MLB games, how many more games do you need to see before you know what you have?

Top five defensive player as a rookie, he’s going to shoot nearly 40% from three, and score at least 20 PPG in the next 16 months. Other than Giannis, Who is very expensive, Who can do that?

If we're talking about guys who can shoot 40% from 3 and average 20 ppg, Mobley isn't one of them considering he hasn't done that. You're just extrapolating crazy stats at this point with no real basis. 34% and 14ppg are pretty far off from those marks. Look, Mobley's been superb. He's ROY right now. But you guys are crowning a kid who hasn't even played a quarter of an NBA season. That's pretty whack. Let's give him a year before we start calling him a better value player than the absolute best players in the league.

There is projection going on but there’s projection everywhere when the league gives max extensions to trash players in hopes that they get better. A lot of them don’t.

Mobley has already shown a face up game. He’s taking guys off the dribble as a 7 footer. He’s shooting in the mid-30% as a rookie from three. He’s improving every game he goes out there and he’s not even a primary scoring option or ball handler yet. He’s going to be a 20 points per game scorer sooner than later based on increased usage alone. His 3 form is already improved.

He’s an ATG in the making tbh

Yes but you're saying Mobley is the most valuable player in the league because of some random projections you just pulled out of your ass. I'm sorry, and @ me if I'm wrong in 16 months, but there is NO WAY Mobley is going to flip a switch and just start shooting 40% from 3. That's a dumb projection, basically no player who isn't a shooting specialist does that. Christ, Kevin Durant ain't even shooting 40% from 3.

Look, he's shown some nice moves. 70% of his buckets are still assisted. He's not meaningfully creating for himself and that is going to seriously inhibit his ability to average 20ppg. If he reaches that over the next 16 months it'll probably be because Garland continues to make serious strides as a playmaker, but Mobley is not really doing much off the dribble on his own right now.

QingJames · Post #43 » by **QingJames** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:38 pm

NRSV wrote:I am interested in other opinions but they have to be valid opinions.

Valid according to you. :roll:

Post #44 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:42 pm

NRSV wrote:I am interested in other opinions but they have to be valid opinions.

Ok - a guy that is statistically neither the highest performing player at his age or class nor is currently capable of shooting league average efficiency is not the most valuable asset in the league. He has potential, but potential is not more valuable than players that are currently MVP caliber that are in his age range.

Potential is a two-edged sword - it allows you to envision the best case scenario and attribute that degree of value to a player, but it also brings with it risk. You seem to think he has GOAT potential. Maybe he does, but the most valuable asset in the league is not one that is entirely banking on future improvement.

7r5ur · Post #45 » by **7r5ur** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:46 pm

NRSV wrote:I am interested in other opinions but they have to be valid opinions.

"I am interested in opinions as long as they are exactly the same as my opinions"

TGW · Post #46 » by **TGW** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:47 pm

If you offered Mobley for Giannis, Curry, Booker, Doncic, Lebron, or Durant, you would get a resounding no. Not only are those players better on the court and more fit for their team's current goals, but they also represent an economic dollar figure. Jersey, ticket, merch sales. No offense to Mobley, but he's not a draw. He's simply a nice young basketball player on a small market team. No one is running out to buy Mobley merch except for Cavs fans.

jokeboy86 · Post #47 » by **jokeboy86** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:51 pm

No. Giannis right now is the most valuable asset and probably best player in the league for the most important factor now in the current NBA: Availability.

NRSV · Post #48 » by **NRSV** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:52 pm

Overpriced one way player Booker gets traded for Mobley immediately. Young Tim Duncan is worth more than a generic me first SG.

Dupp · Post #49 » by **Dupp** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:54 pm

Definitely not. But given his impact, potential and cheap salary he may have a case for top 10- 20.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #50 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:58 pm

KGtabake wrote:
NRSV wrote:Already a better shooter than Giannis and will be much better sooner than later. Opening up his offensive game slowly but surely.

DPOY level defender already as a rookie.

Cost controlled and cheap for years.

This is just too easy.

Why did you make the thread if you're about to tell anyone who disagrees that he's wrong?

I kind of feel the answer to your question is hinted at by your question.

LivingLegend · Post #51 » by **LivingLegend** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:01 pm

NRSV wrote:

Read on Twitter

That is a 7 footer locking down a SG all around the perimeter.

The man is a top 5 defender in the league already at 20 years old.

However, he is nowhere close to the most valuable asset in the league. Maybe in 2-3 years he will be considered one.

LivingLegend · Post #52 » by **LivingLegend** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:08 pm

yosemiteben wrote:What's fun is that he's three months older than LaMelo.

I just say this. The offensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo is much closer than the Defensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo

Post #53 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:08 pm

I'm not a Melo fanboy, but when you start this thread, see Melo brought up (who is younger and at least as effective offensively as Mobley is defensively), and your response is "but Mobley is good at defense and also he's tall" while also making statements about how it's so easy to see that Mobley is the most valuable and just assuming he'll add new offensive skills so he's not below average on that end...that's just being disingenuous.

NRSV · Post #54 » by **NRSV** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:08 pm

Do not fall for the allure of chuckers. Do not fall for allure of ballhogs.

There is a reason the top 10 all-time great list is dominated by two-way big men.

Always choose the big men.

Post #55 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:08 pm

LivingLegend wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:What's fun is that he's three months older than LaMelo.

I just say this. The offensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo is much closer than the Defensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo

I'll play...

Based on what metric exactly?

Post #56 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:10 pm

NRSV wrote:Do not fall for the allure of chuckers. Do not fall for allure of ballhogs.

Well at least we now know you've never watched the Hornets. Melo's vision, playmaking, and willingness to share the ball has transformed the culture in Charlotte and elevates his teammates.

NRSV · Post #57 » by **NRSV** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:10 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:What's fun is that he's three months older than LaMelo.

I just say this. The offensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo is much closer than the Defensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo

I'll play...

Based on what metric exactly?

Based on watching the games. At this point we have to favor the eye test for Mobley. All of the stats are trending in the right direction. He showing a willingness to shoot a three and he’s hitting it. No hesitation. He’s taking guys off the dribble from the perimeter. He’s shown an ability to finish with both hands and through contact. He’s finding the open man. The game is slow for him.

LaMelo if he stays healthy is a Hall of Fame talent. I’m a big fan. But there is an undeniable physical difference and that raises Mobley’s ceiling. He’s a more impactful defender as a rookie than LaMelo will ever be. If his shooting continues to trend in the right direction he will be a fine number two option on a championship team in addition to DPOY level defender.

Bobbymcgee · Post #58 » by **Bobbymcgee** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:19 pm

Nah, I'll go with the finals mvp who scored 50 in game 6 to win the title.

NRSV · Post #59 » by **NRSV** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:22 pm

Mobley, if he stays healthy, will be higher on the 2035 RealGM top 100 list than Giannis. And I love Giannis.

LivingLegend · Post #60 » by **LivingLegend** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:24 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:What's fun is that he's three months older than LaMelo.

I just say this. The offensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo is much closer than the Defensive gap between Mobley/LeMelo

I'll play...

Based on what metric exactly?

Based on the fact that Evan Mobley is a top 3 defensive player in the entire NBA by numerous metrics and Ball is....well not considered defensively savvy. Mobley is #1 in the NBA in defensive rating when he is on the court. #1 overall. Of every player in basketball.

Also, Mobley while being raw on the offense end, has shown clear signs of being a great offensive player in the future. We know that thats where Ball makes his money at so I am not saying they are close there, but the gap between them on offense is not a grand canyon like it is on defense.

Mobley, outside of muscling people in the paint, has very few holes in his game. He is already one of the most complete players in the NBA....and hes 20.

Offense-- He can dribble, he is a good passer, hes a good FT shooter, he can hit 3s, he has a polished back to the basket game.
Defense-- He can guard 1-5. He is a excellent shot blocker, he is near the top of the league in contests, he can rebound.

He needs to refine some of his offensive work and 'go-to' moves but that will come with experience. Right now though hes a shape shifter man, a freakin amoeba, he can hurt you in soooooooo many ways. His bag is deeper on offense and defense already that 75% of the NBA.

I love Ball and his shooting/flashiness/passing abity. Its truely great, but Im trusting a guy with Mobleys skillset in the playoffs far before I trust a player with Balls skillset. We've seen it 100x. Those shots hes taking, even for a guy like Curry, dont fall in the playoffs like they do in the RS. Thats something i would be concerned with him.

Is Mobley the most valuable asset in the NBA currently?