Does Vuc make the allstar team?

[Wingy]

If he plays like he did last night for the next 20 games he has a chance. But at this juncture, the Bulls all stars are Derozan and Lavine.

If he plays like last night for the next 20 games we can talk about him for MVP.

But if he plays to his previous best year for the next 20 games, I think he still probably did too much damage in the first 15 or so to overcome it.

Agree to a tee, but add that if we somehow went on to have the best record in the East, then that might be enough to undo the damage done landing Vuc a team success berth. A la Luol Deng, Kyle Korver and those types.

[dougthonus]

Agree to a tee, but add that if we somehow went on to have the best record in the East, then that might be enough to undo the damage done landing Vuc a team success berth. A la Luol Deng, Kyle Korver and those types.

Yeah, if we had the best record in the East, especially given how unexpected that would be, and he continues to play at last year's norms then he'd have a shot.

[InsideInfo]

I certainly hope that the league doesn’t give all star selections based on reputation as there should be a lot of new teams and new allstars.

Let’s assume the standings bear out and all player stats remain the same aside from Vucevic having a rejuvenating December and January (2 massive assumptions)

Based on poor teams not getting any, we can assume Detroit, Indy, Toronto, and Orlando won’t get any.

Boston’s Tatum and Brown have been poor and will split some votes as the 10 seed, they SHOULDNT get in.

Playoff teams guys that are deserving IMO.

Durant
Harden
Lavine
Derozen
Butler
Bam
Harrell (Yes, don’t argue)
Giannis
Trae
LaMelo
Allen (Yes, don’t argue)

Those 11 are locks IMO, and 1 spot left for the following (some of these guys are reputation, haven’t played well this year)

Randle
Rejuvenated Vucevic
Herro
Embiid (only played 11 games)
Harris
Beal
Brown
Tatum


Seems really, really unlikely. Especially seeing the center position stacked this year.

Well it looks like you can remove Bam from your lock list and the center position is a little less stacked than it was yesterday.

[Rowland Garrett]

To those saying no chance, would you bet your house, your life on this. Of course not. Would I bet that on say for Coby White. For a decent payout , maybe.

His chance is very slim. But realistically it could happen. Highly unlikely would have been my vote over small chance.

[HoopsterJones]

With Bam out for 4-6 weeks (Joakim was out 2 months with the same injury and surgery) Vuc has more of chance. But I doubt the Bulls land 3 all stars unless they rip off a 20 game win streak and the big three are dealing.

[InsideInfo]

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Playoff teams guys that are deserving IMO.

Durant
Harden
Lavine
Derozen
Butler
Bam
Harrell (Yes, don’t argue)
Giannis
Trae
LaMelo
Allen (Yes, don’t argue)

Those 11 are locks IMO, and 1 spot left for the following (some of these guys are reputation, haven’t played well this year)

Randle
Rejuvenated Vucevic
Herro
Embiid (only played 11 games)
Harris
Beal
Brown
Tatum


Seems really, really unlikely. Especially seeing the center position stacked this year.

Aside from the fact that Bam is now out, im not really sure that your 2 "dont argue" guys are 100% locks at all..

Harrell has been playing great but isnt starting on his team.. the list of Non starters who have made all star games is few and far between. McHale, Kobe, Manu, and Majerle is all i know of. 3 of those 4 were either FHOF or apart of a dynasty.

As far as Allen goes.. that team may not even be .500 at the all star break. His numbers are good, but they are not the kind of numbers that suggest he is a lock for the ASG especially for a small market, near .500 team, and a guy with little to no name recognition.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

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Playoff teams guys that are deserving IMO.

Durant
Harden
Lavine
Derozen
Butler
Bam
Harrell (Yes, don’t argue)
Giannis
Trae
LaMelo
Allen (Yes, don’t argue)

Those 11 are locks IMO, and 1 spot left for the following (some of these guys are reputation, haven’t played well this year)

Randle
Rejuvenated Vucevic
Herro
Embiid (only played 11 games)
Harris
Beal
Brown
Tatum


Seems really, really unlikely. Especially seeing the center position stacked this year.

Aside from the fact that Bam is now out, im not really sure that your 2 "dont argue" guys are 100% locks at all..

Harrell has been playing great but isnt starting on his team.. the list of Non starters who have made all star games is few and far between. McHale, Kobe, Manu, and Majerle is all i know of. 3 of those 4 were either FHOF or apart of a dynasty.

As far as Allen goes.. that team may not even be .500 at the all star break. His numbers are good, but they are not the kind of numbers that suggest he is a lock for the ASG especially for a small market, near .500 team, and a guy with little to no name recognition.

I noted the list as playoff guys that are deserving. Guys that should get in based on their play, not including outside factors, which are an unfortunate reality.

Harrell has a PER of 28, a VORP of 1.3 and a BPM of 6.9. Those numbers are absurd. Borderline MVP vote numbers. He's been better than anyone on the Bulls, including Lavine and Derozen. Higher net rating than Lavine, Harden (although Demar has him beat there) VORP includes minutes played as a factor.

Pretty much the same situation with Allen. His advanced numbers are absurd, and he is the reason why the Cavs are a playoff team. His numbers aren't quite as high as Harrells, but really impressive. On the same tier as Lavine and Derozen, and those two have each other. He's got a rookie, covering for Lauri, and a backcourt that isn't great defensively outside of Rubio. And they are a playoff team and above .500, and as I already stated, the assumption is things play out how they are. Of course, if the Cavs are 13th by the Allstar break, he likely isn't going to get in.

[sco]

I'm in the whatever makes Vuc play better camp (i.e. if he plays harder with a chip that he didn't make the ASG, I'd go that way or if Vuc needs fan validation to bolster his confidence, then I'd switch). IMO, Vuc should be all in about playing to win and not for stats. He's on his last big contract and on his best team ever. His career is now more influenced by team success.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Who cares?

I only care that we’re getting all star level production heading in to the playoffs………please please please pretty please.

[FriedRise]

We all should know that being a part of a winning team carries a heavy weight towards getting an all star selection, so we'll have to see where everyone is in the Standings.

Last year:
Philly was the #1 team and only got 2 (Embiid and Simmons), but both missed out due to the COVID protocol.
The Nets had 3 all stars (Irving, KD, Harden), but you obviously can't leave those guys out and they were all cooking.
The hapless Celtics somehow got 2, tho I don't think Tatum should be one this year.
The Bucks ended up winning the championship and they only had 1 (Giannis).
Knicks, Wizards, Bulls, and Indiana only got 1.
Heat and Atlanta got none.

It's just very rare for a team to field 3 all stars unless their position is so shallow and they completely dominate it. But if let's say Vooch regains his form, the Bulls are a top 2 team, AND the Pacers, Wizards, Heat, and Cavs falter (teams with dominating centers), then he should definitely be in the conversation. I'd say that's a non-zero chance.

[mj234eva]

Is water dry?

[InsideInfo]

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Playoff teams guys that are deserving IMO.

Durant
Harden
Lavine
Derozen
Butler
Bam
Harrell (Yes, don’t argue)
Giannis
Trae
LaMelo
Allen (Yes, don’t argue)

Those 11 are locks IMO, and 1 spot left for the following (some of these guys are reputation, haven’t played well this year)

Randle
Rejuvenated Vucevic
Herro
Embiid (only played 11 games)
Harris
Beal
Brown
Tatum

Seems really, really unlikely. Especially seeing the center position stacked this year.

Aside from the fact that Bam is now out, im not really sure that your 2 "dont argue" guys are 100% locks at all..

Harrell has been playing great but isnt starting on his team.. the list of Non starters who have made all star games is few and far between. McHale, Kobe, Manu, and Majerle is all i know of. 3 of those 4 were either FHOF or apart of a dynasty.

As far as Allen goes.. that team may not even be .500 at the all star break. His numbers are good, but they are not the kind of numbers that suggest he is a lock for the ASG especially for a small market, near .500 team, and a guy with little to no name recognition.

I noted the list as playoff guys that are deserving. Guys that should get in based on their play, not including outside factors, which are an unfortunate reality.

Harrell has a PER of 28, a VORP of 1.3 and a BPM of 6.9. Those numbers are absurd. Borderline MVP vote numbers. He's been better than anyone on the Bulls, including Lavine and Derozen. Higher net rating than Lavine, Harden (although Demar has him beat there) VORP includes minutes played as a factor.

Pretty much the same situation with Allen. His advanced numbers are absurd, and he is the reason why the Cavs are a playoff team. His numbers aren't quite as high as Harrells, but really impressive. On the same tier as Lavine and Derozen, and those two have each other. He's got a rookie, covering for Lauri, and a backcourt that isn't great defensively outside of Rubio. And they are a playoff team and above .500, and as I already stated, the assumption is things play out how they are. Of course, if the Cavs are 13th by the Allstar break, he likely isn't going to get in.

I dont disagree that they are deserving. My objection is calling them locks. My point is that in reality, outside factors do tend to make a difference in these sort of things. Name recognition, previous AS apparencies, team record... all things working in Vuc favor.

I would think that Joel is a lock. IMO the guys who are locks right now assuming they stay healthy are:

KD
Harden
Zach
Demar
Giannis
Joel
Butler
Trea
LaMelo

That leaves spots up for grabs...

Vuc
Herro (another guy coming off the bench)
Beal
Allen
Harrall
Tatum
Brown
Randall
Sabonis (although his team has a poor record

I guess my point of making this thread was that after an awful start and dealing with Covid.. its not actually inconceivable that there was still a chance. Something that is crazy after watching him play thru the first 1/4 of the season.

[Red8911]

If the bulls are first seed during the all star votes then it’s possible for Vuc but most likely Zach and Derozen make it. The bulls really have a big 4 including Ball, they can’t all make the all star team though.

[MrSparkle]

There is no chance in hell Vuc makes the all star team unless he absolutely tears it up between this Thursday and Feb. He’s putting up his worst digits since being a Philadelphia Sixer. WCJ is sooner making it.

East ASG Centers:
Embiid
Allen

Maybe:
Mobley
Randle
LMA (long-shot)

Vuc’s long out the running. Even D. Gafford and Harrell have outperformed him.

[InsideInfo]

There is no chance in hell Vuc makes the all star team unless he absolutely tears it up between this Thursday and Feb. He’s putting up his worst digits since being a Philadelphia Sixer. WCJ is sooner making it.

East ASG Centers:
Embiid
Allen

Maybe:
Mobley
Randle
LMA (long-shot)

Vuc’s long out the running. Even D. Gafford and Harrell have outperformed him.

WCJ is not even the best player on the second worst team in the NBA.

[MrSparkle]

There is no chance in hell Vuc makes the all star team unless he absolutely tears it up between this Thursday and Feb. He’s putting up his worst digits since being a Philadelphia Sixer. WCJ is sooner making it.

East ASG Centers:
Embiid
Allen

Maybe:
Mobley
Randle
LMA (long-shot)

Vuc’s long out the running. Even D. Gafford and Harrell have outperformed him.

WCJ is not even the best player on the second worst team in the NBA.

Well that was a joke. I’ve been team vuc through the very lows since March. But just saying, you don’t make the ASG in a season with 17 per and 49% TS.

Which meanwhile Wendell has a 18.6 per and 60% TS. He’s not a better player, but Vuc’s had an epically rough month shooting the ball. It’ll take another month of extraordinary play to get on track statistically (like last night).

Which i do hope happens btw.

[FriedRise]

Since bouncing back, Vooch for the season is now up to:
15/11/4 on 46/36/65 shooting
17 PER, 50% TS, 0.9 OBPM

He's not gonna get his PPG high enough to reach his all star number (24.5) because he's just averaging a lot fewer FGA per game. But he should be able to get most of these other numbers up closer to his career averages if he keeps playing like this for a few more games.

[InsideInfo]

There is no chance in hell Vuc makes the all star team unless he absolutely tears it up between this Thursday and Feb. He’s putting up his worst digits since being a Philadelphia Sixer. WCJ is sooner making it.

East ASG Centers:
Embiid
Allen

Maybe:
Mobley
Randle
LMA (long-shot)

Vuc’s long out the running. Even D. Gafford and Harrell have outperformed him.

WCJ is not even the best player on the second worst team in the NBA.

Well that was a joke. I’ve been team vuc through the very lows since March. But just saying, you don’t make the ASG in a season with 17 per and 49% TS.

Which meanwhile Wendell has a 18.6 per and 60% TS. He’s not a better player, but Vuc’s had an epically rough month shooting the ball. It’ll take another month of extraordinary play to get on track statistically (like last night).

Which i do hope happens btw.

I agree with the per and the TS%.... the thing is tho that since he missed those games with covid, his he has only played 16 games for us. If he played above average, those numbers are going to slowly go up. Just last night he raised his FG% up 1%, his 3pt% 2.8%, and FT% up 2.8%.