Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[SixthStreet]

The objective of a Harris trade is not to get better this year. He's a good player and you won't get a better one in exchange given his contract. However, you can acquire salary that's easier to move down the line. See what the Wizards did to the contract of John Wall in a series of moves. Furthermore, getting rid of Harris removes the crutch that River's leans on in high leverage moments and forces him to swim/sink with the young guys that actually can raise the team's ceiling in the future.

The more you force the ball into Maxey's hands the better for next year and beyond. To a much smaller degree this applies to the other Sixers ball handlers too.

We aren't winning anything this year absent a Simmons like for like trade or his return (which neither I view as likely). So what exactly does Harris give us that matters?

Just break him up into more easily digestible/moveable salary. That's my low expectations of a Harris trade and I imagine there's someone out there that could make it happen.

[Zumramania]

He'll probably get back to his last years' regular season numbers or somewhere near that, we will start winning and reddit fans will think that we have a good player again, until we lose in the playoffs again. Of course I think other teams understand this as well but I think that Doc doesn't understand this and still considers Tobias a star, the number two option after Joel. I think that the fact that Tobias had the ball in the last seconds of the game shows that Doc overvalues him. Yeah this is how Doc works you will say, but this cannot be good even in the long run. Tobias will never be a closer and Maxey has a higher potential in that department. I sometimes find it very hard to understand how Doc thinks. He must have saw how we had a better offensive flow without Tobias and now when is back after Covid, so not even in a good shape, he gives him full minutes and authority. Almost like he cares too much about the nominal status, seniority, his long and good relationship with Tobias and other non-game stuff when he assembles the roster. This reminds me of some mediocre European coaches I know about, but I would not expect this from a supposedly great NBA coach haha.
I just hope that Morey has a more realistic view of Tobias.

[the_process]

San Antonio should have interest in Tobias.

As much as I want to agree, I have trouble believing that anyone should have interest in Tobias, a JAG paid like a difference maker.

They clearly need a PF. And they need a centerpiece player, Murray isn't it.

Neither is Tobias, obviously, but he has the stats to at least try and sell it.

[the_process]

I’d take John Wall or Wiggins at this point. Just get this dude off the team.

Yep.

[Tomjas]

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[mjkvol]

San Antonio should have interest in Tobias.

As much as I want to agree, I have trouble believing that anyone should have interest in Tobias, a JAG paid like a difference maker.

They clearly need a PF. And they need a centerpiece player, Murray isn't it.

Neither is Tobias, obviously, but he has the stats to at least try and sell it.

Listen, I'll sign for it in a second - get it done.

[mjkvol]

:lol:

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Don't let this get out and spoil the narrative of Tobias deserving an All-Star nod.

[ProcessDoctor]

We have to offer Tobi for Kyrie at this point. It's a medium-risk (not high because we get out of Tobi's contract), high-reward move and is probably our best shot at acquiring a star.

Who knows, maybe acquiring Kyrie would even convince Ben to stay because it would shine the spotlight away from him.


Kyrie/Maxey/Milton
Green/Curry/Springer
Thybulle/Korkmaz/Joe
Simmons/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

[the_process]

We have to offer Tobi for Kyrie at this point. It's a medium-risk (not high because we get out of Tobi's contract), high-reward move and is probably our best shot at acquiring a star.

Who knows, maybe acquiring Kyrie would even convince Ben to stay because it would shine the spotlight away from him.


Kyrie/Maxey/Milton
Green/Curry/Springer
Thybulle/Korkmaz/Joe
Simmons/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

Add a first to it, and even if Kyrie never plays again it's still a win.

[SixthStreet]

There is no team in the league to whom Harris would be less useful to than the Nets. Maybe there's a three or four team deal with those two as principles but it'll be complicated, if not impossible, to pull off.

[76ciology]

Im a supporter of Tobi. But Tobi has no place on this team unless if Ben returns.

Tobi’s non-needle moving offense isn’t good enough to what you are giving up with him at PF on defense

If you have Ben, you can hide Tobi’s defense. Doc has been trying this Niang with Tobi duo to hide it but Niang is not a good defensive player and is even a terrible rebounder.

[Kobblehead]

Harris is becoming maddening with his playstyle choices. He's shown flashes of being the kind of player that would fit in our offense. But mainly, he has reverted back to his Orlando days of crap high post isos and no floor spacing. It's becoming harder to support him.

I'm not sure if Morey is willing to place calls shopping him for fear it would leak out and hurt the team morale even further. Would be great if someone approached us on a Tobias trade and Morey pulled the trigger quickly before anything leaked out.

[mjkvol]

Harris is becoming maddening with his playstyle choices. He's shown flashes of being the kind of player that would fit in our offense. But mainly, he has reverted back to his Orlando days of crap high post isos and no floor spacing. It's becoming harder to support him.

I'm not sure if Morey is willing to place calls shopping him for fear it would leak out and hurt the team morale even further. Would be great if someone approached us on a Tobias trade and Morey pulled the trigger quickly before anything leaked out.

Hard to teach an old dog ........ Harris is what he is, and will always revert to form in big spots like the other night. Totally agree with your last comment, something just needs to pop quickly.

[the_process]

You know it's bad when you agree with Doc.

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This is hilarious. Can we just give Tobi away at this point. Morey has to know right?

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[the_process]

Send Milton somewhere for a 2nd. Then Harris to DAL for THJ and Kleber.

Maxey/Curry/Springer
THJ/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle/(Simmons)
Kleber/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

[Negrodamus]

Great game last night. We should begin the discussion to extend his contract now.

[sixers hoops]

The objective of a Harris trade is not to get better this year. He's a good player and you won't get a better one in exchange given his contract. However, you can acquire salary that's easier to move down the line. See what the Wizards did to the contract of John Wall in a series of moves. Furthermore, getting rid of Harris removes the crutch that River's leans on in high leverage moments and forces him to swim/sink with the young guys that actually can raise the team's ceiling in the future.

The more you force the ball into Maxey's hands the better for next year and beyond. To a much smaller degree this applies to the other Sixers ball handlers too.

We aren't winning anything this year absent a Simmons like for like trade or his return (which neither I view as likely). So what exactly does Harris give us that matters?

Just break him up into more easily digestible/moveable salary. That's my low expectations of a Harris trade and I imagine there's someone out there that could make it happen.

This has been my opinion for a while now. I believe he is about 2.5 years into a 5 year deal. If we can get someone with one less year on their deal, it’s a win.

[51X3RF4N]

Send Milton somewhere for a 2nd. Then Harris to DAL for THJ and Kleber.

Maxey/Curry/Springer
THJ/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle/(Simmons)
Kleber/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

I'm actually surprised this one isn't discussed more often. Are either Mavs player All Stars? No. But neither is Tobias. He couldn't even get an All Star appearance in his best year of his career by far. And now this season and the last half of the Hawks series he has reverted back to a non starter.

THJ makes a lot of sense starting over Maxey, as a ball handler who can get his own shot, or distribute to Embiid/Curry.

Kleber as a catch and shoot threat is better than Tobias as a catch and dribble 2 times then miss non threat.

For Dallas, Tobias fits next to Luka and Zinger. Shake fits off the bench. Shake played college ball nearby Dallas too.

On paper, the deal makes sense. 2 for 2.

I'm wondering why it hasn't happened yet.

You could flip Simmons and Korkmaz for a starting wing to replace Danny and a butt load of picks, and then bring Maxey/Thybulle/Green/Niang/Drummond off the bench.

I also think Doug McDermott fits the stretch 4 role and is on a great contract for 3 years. Tobias to San Antonio for McDermott and Thad Young would work too.

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[spikeslovechild]

The objective of a Harris trade is not to get better this year. He's a good player and you won't get a better one in exchange given his contract. However, you can acquire salary that's easier to move down the line. See what the Wizards did to the contract of John Wall in a series of moves. Furthermore, getting rid of Harris removes the crutch that River's leans on in high leverage moments and forces him to swim/sink with the young guys that actually can raise the team's ceiling in the future.

The more you force the ball into Maxey's hands the better for next year and beyond. To a much smaller degree this applies to the other Sixers ball handlers too.

We aren't winning anything this year absent a Simmons like for like trade or his return (which neither I view as likely). So what exactly does Harris give us that matters?

Just break him up into more easily digestible/moveable salary. That's my low expectations of a Harris trade and I imagine there's someone out there that could make it happen.

This has been my opinion for a while now. I believe he is about 2.5 years into a 5 year deal. If we can get someone with one less year on their deal, it’s a win.

Why would that be a win? We are not rebuilding who cares about two years from now?

I am not opposed to moving Harris but am skeptical that we can pull off a trade where we get better while doing so. I also think he functions fine as a third banana on a championship contending team.

[DCasey91]

THJ isn’t a ballhandler. Mavs have only two and that’s Luka and Brunson that’s it that’s the list. It’s a wonky construction. Zingis and Luka fit well when both play together but man they do lack a lot of talent in the places that need upgrades just like us.