Do you think that deep down inside that Pippen believes that he was better than Jordan?

[shotsquatch]

We spend too much time trying to psychoanalyze these guys. Most NBA players are jocks, with egos inflated by money and fame. Jocks aren't critical thinkers or deep introspectors. There's no use trying to identify Pippen's true feelings on the matter because he probably flip-flops between a variety of contradictory delusions and misconceptions every other day as the wind takes him.

[GameOver25]

He just seems bitter, hopefully time will heal his wounds.

[IG2]

Doesn't have to be "deep down".

Not even at his shallowest and topmost does Pippen think he's anywhere close to MJ.

He's talking all this **** because he has a book to sell and his victim complex interpreted The Last Dance to be something it's clearly not.

[DroseReturnChi]

I do find myself wondering if he believes that, yes.

if so hes crazy should go see a doctor.

[ssang]

Let's just disregard the fact that Scottie Pippen was a perennial All-NBA selection for over 7-8 seasons All-NBA 1st Team at that and All-NBA Defense 1st team over 4-5 times. He was just as good as Jordan[/b] , these Jordan fans are the same Kobe fans who talk like Pau Gasol wasn't All-NBA the two years they won the title 09-10.

Scottie Pippen was easily a top 7 player in the 90's arguably top 4. [b]No one in the 90's had his versatility on both ends of the floor period.

You need to seek counseling. You talk so far out of your ass that it's now gotten to the point where not only do sound like a fool, but to the point where you personally should probably be alarmed.

Whatever it is that has you cling oh-so-tightly to this utterly farcical notion that Michael Jordan was anything other than undeniably, unprecedentedly, out of this world spectacular, in order for you to prop up your (insert favorite player and/or random [i]any baller other than Jordan here) [/i] in your own warped little mind -- is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, something that roots deeply back to your childhood. You know, any even halfway decent psychiatrist can really help you unpack all that.

Now, not gonna lie, it's pretty damn deep with you; so make no mistake, you will shed lots of tears - and I mean like a full-on downpour; probably for days if not weeks, perhaps even years on end. Cause it's gonna require quite the process with you from what I can discern. HOWEVER, I urge you not to let that deter you from addressing this issue of yours. Because this I can promise you: for you, without question, it would be for the better.

And also please take solace in the fact that, although, while yes, you are painfully close to being a lost cause, if you chop right to it and set up an appointment with a local shrink within, oh, say, now and the next 72 hours from now....there still remains a modicum of a chance that a breakthrough still resides deep down within yourself. It simply just requires serious hardcore psychiatric therapy to pull it out of ya, is all. Deep hypnotherapy I imagine.

Aaaanyhow, get 'er done and Godspeed

[ssang]

Probably not better but on the same level or just as valuable. I think he's just so bitter because he was so underpaid with that second contract.

Yeah, no. If you honestly think that, you're either entirely cognitively dissonant or 10. Possibly 9.

[ssang]

Doesn't have to be "deep down".

Not even at his shallowest and topmost does Pippen think he's anywhere close to MJ.

He's talking all this **** because he has a book to sell and his victim complex interpreted The Last Dance to be something it's clearly not.

This is precisely correct. 100% spot-on nailed it.

Scottie Pippen harbors an enormous victim complex. And it's a victim complex that has been thoroughly evident his entire career and clearly still to this day. Always has and almost positively always will.

And it is this complex of his one that distorts things (things such as the Last Dance documentary for example) to the point where whatever Pip interprets, not only are his interpretations completely absent from what any unbiased even somewhat relatively sound-minded individual can plainly see, they are interpretations (or "takes" rather) that are far far more likely to be the complete antithesis of what's really there, than with what's - well - really, actually there. To say Scottie Pippen lacks self-awareness would be quite the understatement.

I mean take his claim that "Phil Jackson is a racist(?!) for designing up a last second shot for Toni Kukoc" for example. Really Scottie??? Jesus Harold Christ. Talk about a baseless, asinine, non-connecting of even the slightest of little dots notion that goes beyond preposterous. Or how about the fact that Scottie still to this day right there on the doc refuses to admit he was wrong for sitting out those last 1.8 seconds; and even going so far as to say - directly and pointedly into the camera, I might add - that if given the chance, he'd do the exact same thing again, and that (in spite of the overwhelming evidence that would lend overwhelming credence to the contrary) he'd even be justified in doing so again too!

Here's the deal with Scottie Pippen right now: Dude needs cash. Being the unstable individual he is is, he's burnt through so many millions on needless, reckless stupid sh*t (i.e. at one point he sunk dozens and dozens of millions into a private jet he bought for himself that he couldn’t responsibly afford) that it's impossible to even keep tally. And now, with his book and presumably sh*tty Bourbon to sell, he currently has a vehicle to generate quick cash. And when you couple that with Scottie's easy ability to conjur up fairy tales in his head in divorcing himself from reality, it's actually easy to reconcile and not the least bit surprising as to the sh*t he's claiming in this latest charade of shenanigans of his.

Scottie Pippen is a walking contradiction. A human flip-flopper to the utmost degree. Back and forth and in different directions, then circling on back six ways till Sunday approximately another 17 to 142 times over, again and again and then once again all over again for good measure. He's arguably the least credible individual in at least the western hemisphere if not the entire planet outside of Donnie-boy Trump.

[Dino353]

Let's just disregard the fact that Scottie Pippen was a perennial All-NBA selection for over 7-8 seasons All-NBA 1st Team at that and All-NBA Defense 1st team over 4-5 times. He was just as good as Jordan[/b] , these Jordan fans are the same Kobe fans who talk like Pau Gasol wasn't All-NBA the two years they won the title 09-10.

Scottie Pippen was easily a top 7 player in the 90's arguably top 4. [b]No one in the 90's had his versatility on both ends of the floor period.

You need to seek counseling. You talk so far out of your ass that it's now gotten to the point where not only do sound like a fool, but to the point where you personally should probably be alarmed.

Whatever it is that has you cling oh-so-tightly to this utterly farcical notion that Michael Jordan was anything other than undeniably, unprecedentedly, out of this world spectacular, in order for you to prop up your (insert favorite player and/or random [i]any baller other than Jordan here) [/i] in your own warped little mind -- is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, something that roots deeply back to your childhood. You know, any even halfway decent psychiatrist can really help you unpack all that.

Now, not gonna lie, it's pretty damn deep with you; so make no mistake, you will shed lots of tears - and I mean like a full-on downpour; probably for days if not weeks, perhaps even years on end. Cause it's gonna require quite the process with you from what I can discern. HOWEVER, I urge you not to let that deter you from addressing this issue of yours. Because this I can promise you: for you, without question, it would be for the better.

And also please take solace in the fact that, although, while yes, you are painfully close to being a lost cause, if you chop right to it and set up an appointment with a local shrink within, oh, say, now and the next 72 hours from now....there still remains a modicum of a chance that a breakthrough still resides deep down within yourself. It simply just requires serious hardcore psychiatric therapy to pull it out of ya, is all. Deep hypnotherapy I imagine.

Aaaanyhow, get 'er done and Godspeed

That is beyond uncalled for.

[Roger Murdock]

I don't think Pippen sees himself as better than Jordan. However I think its sort of demeaning when so much of your career you are compared to someone else.

Like I think theres a reason LeBron seems insecure in that he's always been compared to Jordan, which isn't fair and is an impossible bar. Hes been chasing that dragon since he was 16.

Durant is insanely insecure because his entire career hes been in LeBrons shadow, getting compared to him and being second banana in the league for like 12 seasons.

On the other hand guys like Curry, Jokic, Giannis, and Kawhi were flowers that grew in the darkness, wildly overacheived, and basically get measured on their own merit rather than stacked up against everyone else. Narratives around them focus on what they do well, rather than how they fail to stack up to others. We talk about them for their uniqueness as players rather than their shortcomings against ATGs.

Pippen gets that short stacked treatment except to the most extreme of everyone. He's an incredible player who gets all of his achievements billeted because 'anyone could have done it next to Jordan' which is objectively untrue. I think he feels disrespected and thinks he deserves his praise. He goes about it the wrong way and it makes him more unlikable, which spirals into something more.

[HomoSapien]

I don't think he believes it. I think he's just jealous, petty, and insecure.

[Michael Jackson]

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Probably not better but on the same level or just as valuable. I think he's just so bitter because he was so underpaid with that second contract.

He's definitely still bitter about that, but he also needs to accept some of the blame for taking the contract against the advice of everyone, including Reinsdorf. Then he also needs to realize that they paid him $10 in his last two years when he was done and only played 23 games. Then they paid him $1M a year for 15 years to be a team ambassador (with pretty much no responsibilities) and then het got upset and blew up the deal, citing a lack of respect, when they were asking him to do more.

Plus on top of that they got him the sign and trade he wanted and got him a payday there. He has no right being angry with Jerry.

Funny thing is the last 2 years and ambassador jobs were given to him after he spent the previous years bad mouthing Jerry and the Bulls.

I get Pippens issues but understanding them doesn’t mean he is right. It is kinda sociopathic, where he is “always” the victim for things he initiates.

[BrianFitz]

No, I just think he's tired of the over the top glory bestowed upon Jordan, even at the expense of other great players, like himself. And he's right. No need to continually bash others to prop Jordan up. Jordan is top 5 all time. Pippen is not. But Pippen was damn good. And Jordan never won without him (or the league watering down defenses but thats another conversation). They needed each other. and Pippens first hand accounts of what happened during that time shouldn't be ignored just because it doesn't shed the best light on the guy most of y'all grew up idolizing.

"Jordan is top 5"

[jokeboy86]

I honestly thought that Scottie and Michael were still pretty tight. I know MJ fell out with Barkley. I think a lot of Scottie’s bitterness generally is more the fact that he lost $150 mil post retirement than any issues with his former coaches or teammates.

Even though they were close during playing Pippen and Jordan never struck me as like best friends or anything similar to what the Banana boat gang is. Same way in how I think Bird isn't best buddies with McHale or Parrish or that Magic is really close to KAJ. I actually was always under the impression that Jordan has been tighter with Ewing more than some of his other ex-teammates and even Barkley.

[dickfox]

Probably not better but on the same level or just as valuable. I think he's just so bitter because he was so underpaid with that second contract.

Yeah, no. If you honestly think that, you're either entirely cognitively dissonant or 10. Possibly 9.

Lol, what? I'm not saying that Pippen is on the same level or as valuable. But I think Pippen himself thinks he is. That was the whole point of the thread, my good man. Did you even read it or did you just want to use a big word you recently learned on the internet?

[ssang]

Probably not better but on the same level or just as valuable. I think he's just so bitter because he was so underpaid with that second contract.

Yeah, no. If you honestly think that, you're either entirely cognitively dissonant or 10. Possibly 9.

Lol, what? I'm not saying that Pippen is on the same level or as valuable. But I think Pippen himself thinks he is. That was the whole point of the thread, my good man. Did you even read it or did you just want to use a big word you recently learned on the internet?

No, I knew the word a long time ago. Not a recent learn. Anyhow, my bad on that. I apologize. You see, you have to forgive me. At the time I responded I was fresh off having read like 6 consecutive resident Bronstans posts making ludicrous claims attempting to elevate Pippen as Jordan’s equal if not better.

[JoseRizal]

No. He just wants to be talked about and eventually sells his books.

[God Squad]

I don't think Pippen sees himself as better than Jordan. However I think its sort of demeaning when so much of your career you are compared to someone else.

Like I think theres a reason LeBron seems insecure in that he's always been compared to Jordan, which isn't fair and is an impossible bar. Hes been chasing that dragon since he was 16.

Durant is insanely insecure because his entire career hes been in LeBrons shadow, getting compared to him and being second banana in the league for like 12 seasons.

On the other hand guys like Curry, Jokic, Giannis, and Kawhi were flowers that grew in the darkness, wildly overacheived, and basically get measured on their own merit rather than stacked up against everyone else. Narratives around them focus on what they do well, rather than how they fail to stack up to others. We talk about them for their uniqueness as players rather than their shortcomings against ATGs.

Pippen gets that short stacked treatment except to the most extreme of everyone. He's an incredible player who gets all of his achievements billeted because 'anyone could have done it next to Jordan' which is objectively untrue. I think he feels disrespected and thinks he deserves his praise. He goes about it the wrong way and it makes him more unlikable, which spirals into something more.

1. Should Tony Parker or Manu feel demeaning for playing with Tim Duncan their whole career? Because I'm sure the general populous acknowledges their greatness.
2. We gonna act like LeBron isn't or hasn't been trying to surpass Jordan as the GOAT?
3. Durant gets compared to LeBron because Kevins talent level is that high, and should be considered a compliment IMO.
4. Curry, and Giannis up till late have ALWAYS been compared to /and or discuss their shortcoming against ATGs.
5. I've honestly thought Pippen "ALWAYS" got his praise, and it wasn't until shortly before the " Last Dance" did this come to question, and even then I feel it's only a small circle or younger fans.

He's coming off as very insecure and or jealous of Jordans status of being the GOAT.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

[dickfox]

Yeah, no. If you honestly think that, you're either entirely cognitively dissonant or 10. Possibly 9.

Lol, what? I'm not saying that Pippen is on the same level or as valuable. But I think Pippen himself thinks he is. That was the whole point of the thread, my good man. Did you even read it or did you just want to use a big word you recently learned on the internet?

No, I knew the word a long time ago. Not a recent learn. Anyhow, my bad on that. I apologize. You see, you have to forgive me. At the time I responded I was fresh off having read like 6 consecutive resident Bronstans posts making ludicrous claims attempting to elevate Pippen as Jordan’s equal if not better.

LOL right on. I can't believe it's even an argument. Some just can't give in to the greatness of Jordan. I honestly think he is the greatest individual athlete of all time when you consider both skill and accolades. Pippen was amazing but he wasn't even close to that.

[ssang]

Lol, what? I'm not saying that Pippen is on the same level or as valuable. But I think Pippen himself thinks he is. That was the whole point of the thread, my good man. Did you even read it or did you just want to use a big word you recently learned on the internet?

No, I knew the word a long time ago. Not a recent learn. Anyhow, my bad on that. I apologize. You see, you have to forgive me. At the time I responded I was fresh off having read like 6 consecutive resident Bronstans posts making ludicrous claims attempting to elevate Pippen as Jordan’s equal if not better.

LOL right on. I can't believe it's even an argument. Some just can't give in to the greatness of Jordan. I honestly think he is the greatest individual athlete of all time when you consider both skill and accolades. Pippen was amazing but he wasn't even close to that.

In a world where everyone understood basketball and what they were viewing at merely even the most rudimentary and remedial levels and were to view things with an genuinely unbiased eye in a static environment, it truly truly would be unbelievable - check that, it would actually be literally certifiably impossible - for anyone to not only think but to absolutely know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to a level of complete and utter catharsis, that Michael Jordan were anything other than astonishingly sensational - and I mean like full-on Matrix sh*t - at the game of basketball.

There are levels to this sh*t. And MJ was on a level all unto himself. And not just one like level a notch above anyone else, more like a dozen notches. One would be justified to legitimately question whether Jordan was human or not. That's how good he was.

But in the actual real life world we live in, where none of those aforementioned things I mentioned at the top are a given (i.e. one's understanding of hoops and the surrounding context and nuances that go along with that understanding with the respect to the differences in making considerations for comparison as to the resistances one is facing in executing the sh*t that they're seeing one guy do versus, well, the modern day NBA ballers for example. And furthermore, by no means is everyone even close to viewing things with an unbiased eyes. Today, in the real world, more so than ever we have agenda driven individuals that calls for and allows them to spew an offensive level of disingenuousness, folks who get off on being contrarian for contrarian sake, swarths of humans with serious cases of cognitive dissonance, etc. And of course, in no way shape or form do we live in a static environment. All the outlets and recourses that allow such crap to thrive in numbers - social media for starters - it's all there in spades these days), where all of these things are appreciably and ever-increasingly prevalent in the world we live in....yeah, I agree; even then find it difficult to comprehend how one can't or won't give into the greatness of one Michael Jeffery Jordan. Dude was the coldest, baddest, most insanely awesome muthaf*cka who's ever graced this earth, and them's is just the facts.

[celticfan42487]

No, but I feel that he sees himself as an equal.

This.

I'm sure he views himself just as important to Jordan's success as Jordan is to his. And with the chaos of Rodman and the attitude issues of "take my ball home and go suck at another ball game and punch players in practice there". They all had a lot of flaws and he can think that without it being a crazy take.