Better 5 year stretch: 17-21 Giannis vs 99-03 Garnett

No-more-rings · Post #1 » by **No-more-rings** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 6:59 pm

Presumably the early primes of both players, basically the same age too. In case it's not clear to some, 2021 Giannis doesn't mean this current season, it means the one where he won a chip.

eminence · Post #2 » by **eminence** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 7:07 pm

Close, I’d lean KG, similar peak, but I think KG was solidly better in ‘99 than Giannis in ‘17 and it probably holds a little for ‘00/‘18.

Ron Swanson · Post #3 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:15 pm

I mean, if we're gonna have the cutoff at age-26 season and exclude KG's MVP year, then this isn't much of a debate. Giannis by a significant margin.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #4 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:29 am

I think there's a reasonable case for Giannis even if its 00-04 KG.

1993Playoffs · Post #5 » by **1993Playoffs** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 1:27 am

Since you didn’t include 04, (I’d still take Giannis even with 04 tbh). Giannis for sure.

canada_dry · Post #6 » by **canada_dry** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:30 am

Garnett couldn't do what Giannis did in regards to carrying a team to a title as the #1 option.

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HeartBreakKid · Post #7 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:33 am

canada_dry wrote:Garnett couldn't do what Giannis did in regards to carrying a team to a title as the #1 option.

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He certainly could...

ceiling raiser · Post #8 » by **ceiling raiser** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:40 am

Garnett was arguably the best player in the league in 03 (I probably give it to Duncan narrowly). I think this is close.

dygaction · Post #9 » by **dygaction** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 8:26 am

You will have to replace 99/00 with 04 and 08 seasons to barely match what Giannis did...

Jaivl · Post #10 » by **Jaivl** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 11:52 am

2003 KG is not much different than 2004 KG, and is certainly better than 2008 KG.

No-more-rings · Post #11 » by **No-more-rings** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 2:18 pm

KG starting in 2000 was was a perennial all defense first team, perennial all star, and perennial all nba 1st/2nd team guy. With the way people are saying it's not close, you'd think KG was a Lamarcus Aldridge level player over this span or something lol.

Stalwart · Post #12 » by **Stalwart** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 2:29 pm

Giannis is a 2-time MVP, Champion, DPOY, FMVP, better numbers....what are we talking about here?

KG simply is not in that upper echelon of players. He's close but still clearly not there.

dygaction · Post #13 » by **dygaction** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 1:31 am

It is no longer really debatable. Giannis is just a better basketball player.

Regular seasons:
Player A: 372 games/39.6mpg
22.1p/12.0r/5.2a/1.4s/1.6b/.483FG%/.535TS%/24.2PER/109ORTG/99DRTG/6.7BPM
Player B: 351 games/33.9mpg
26.8p/11.0r/5.5a/1.3s/1.4b/.549FG%/.617TS%/28.8EPR/118ORTG/103DRTG/8.6BPM

Playoffs:
Player A: 21 games/42.9mpg/0 playoff series win
22.9p/13.8r/5.4a/1.5s/1.5b/.457FG%/.512TS%/24.0PER/106ORTG/102DRTG/7.8BPM
Player B: 58 games/36.4mpg/7 playoff series wins + NBA championship
27.3p/12.1r/5.2a/1.2s/1.4b/.546FG%/.592TS%/27.0PER/116ORTG/102DRTG/8.9BPM

Achievements:
Player A:
2x All-NBA First + 2x All-NBA Second + 1x All-NBA Third
4x NBA All-Defensive first team
4x All star

Player B:
2x NBA MVP
1x NBA Finals MVP
1x DPOY
3x All-NBA First + 2x All-NBA Second
3x NBA All-Defensive first team + 1x All-Defensive Second team
5x All star

ty 4191 · Post #14 » by **ty 4191** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 3:08 pm

No-more-rings wrote:Presumably the early primes of both players, basically the same age too. In case it's not clear to some, 2021 Giannis doesn't mean this current season, it means the one where he won a chip.

Can we include Garnett's MVP season in 2004 to make this somewhat fair?

Dutchball97 · Post #15 » by **Dutchball97** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:05 pm

KG's peak is probably still higher but I'd take Giannis here because of better consistency year to year, better play-off performer already as well.

70sFan · Post #16 » by **70sFan** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:43 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:KG's peak is probably still higher but I'd take Giannis here because of better consistency year to year, better play-off performer already as well.

Giannis doesn't have consistency edge in the playoffs here. He underperformed both in 2019 and 2020 seasons. He wasn't very consistent in 2021 playoffs either (and he missed games).

No-more-rings · Post #17 » by **No-more-rings** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:30 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:Presumably the early primes of both players, basically the same age too. In case it's not clear to some, 2021 Giannis doesn't mean this current season, it means the one where he won a chip.

Can we include Garnett's MVP season in 2004 to make this somewhat fair?

It seems fair already. KG led the league in RAPM in 03 while also having some of the best box scores in the league. 04 is not some outlier for KG even if it is clearly his best season. If it was an unreasonable comparison I don’t think KG would get 6 votes. People calling it not close, are likely anti-KG folks.

feyki · Post #18 » by **feyki** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 7:49 am

Yannis. He had 3 historic years in that stretch while KG had only one.

kendogg · Post #19 » by **kendogg** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:15 am

Pretty clearly Giannis even if you give KG any 5-year stretch he wants. KG and Giannis are pretty close defensively. But Giannis is clearly better scorer, like an entire tier ahead if not more. His efficiency for his scoring rate is among the best in history.

Jaivl · Post #20 » by **Jaivl** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:10 pm

kendogg wrote:But Giannis is clearly better scorer, like an entire tier ahead if not more. His efficiency for his scoring rate is among the best in history.

Absolutely true.

kendogg wrote:KG and Giannis are pretty close defensively.

Ehhhh not really. Hell, even 11-13 KG is probably a better defender per-minute than Giannis.

Better 5 year run: