Tank World Order (6.0)

[God Squad]

Imagine being proud of beating a team without their 2 time MVP player or starting C on a b2b (that had a war of a game) at home

Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

Imagine being a a "fan" of a team and actively rooting for them to lose

Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

Some of us have more patience then a five year old. *Shrug*

Watching a team year after year, knowing they'll top out at a 1st..maybe second round exit...I'll pass on that. What fan would want that? Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

I understand wanting to watch your team win. I would love to feel confident in our squad again like I used to. At the end of the day it's all preferential and everyone see's the outlook of the team differently. Where I disagree with them is coming into the TwO thread trying to either

1. Change the opinion of the many
2. Add nothing to prospect talk
3. derail thread because of their opinions.

I've said for months that their opinions shouldn't be disregarded because we don't agree with them. But they're going about it wrong. They should create their own thread and share their opinions with like minded individuals instead of coming into TwO and bickering with people who careless about their opinion on the matter.

Edit : I'd like to add that those posters who get mad when people post in here during losses . . What do you expect honestly? Losses moves TwO closer to that 6-8 range. Also there is only so many videos of prospects you can post if those same prospects don't play any games that day, or even the next few days.

Anyways E.L.E guys.

[mdenny]

Is Chet actually legit? Seems like he will get destroyed in the NBA, he'll need to get much stronger.

His handle is SICK. So weird seeing someone that size who can dribble like a guard. Almost looks like a ghost or something taking the ball up the court. Smooth and silky.

But i still wouldnt take the chance on his frame. His amazing skills might just not matter in nba.

[God Squad]

Is Chet actually legit? Seems like he will get destroyed in the NBA, he'll need to get much stronger.

His handle is SICK. So weird seeing someone that size who can dribble like a guard. Almost looks like a ghost or something taking the ball up the court. Smooth and silky.

But i still wouldnt take the chance on his frame. His amazing skills might just not matter in nba.

I understand the concerns especially considering Kevin Durant was a 225-pound 18-year-old when he was drafted in 2004. Then we have Kristaps Porzingis who was around 230 pounds as a rookie.

Then we have Chet at 7-foot-1, 190 lbs. Pretty concerning IMO if he's supposed to be a big.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

MVPpoku is also 7 foot 190 lbs! It's the future of the league!

I read that he's 195 though. He's put on 5 pounds in three years.

[God Squad]

MVPpoku is also 7 foot 190 lbs! It's the future of the league!

I read that he's 195 though. He's put on 5 pounds in three years.

Yeah man, the concerns are very real. There is no glossing over it tbh. People will say he'll bulk up while in the league overtime. But none of that is guaranteed, especially for someone like Poku like you said. Chris Boucher right "NOW" only weighs 215, and we know he can't cut it full time. Obviously Chet and Chris are different, I just think people underestimate frames and how much weight certain body types can add.

[mdenny]

MVPpoku is also 7 foot 190 lbs! It's the future of the league!

I read that he's 195 though. He's put on 5 pounds in three years.

Yeah man, the concerns are very real. There is no glossing over it tbh. People will say he'll bulk up while in the league overtime. But none of that is guaranteed, especially for someone like Poku like you said. Chris Boucher right "NOW" only weighs 215, and we know he can't cut it full time. Obviously Chet and Chris are different, I just think people underestimate frames and how much weight certain body types can add.

Agreed.

Unprecedented things happen. Jokic is kinda unprecedented.

But noone had to decide whether to use a top 2 pick on him. Can't really think of something comparable in nba draft history.

[mdenny]

MVPpoku is also 7 foot 190 lbs! It's the future of the league!

I read that he's 195 though. He's put on 5 pounds in three years.

Yeah man, the concerns are very real. There is no glossing over it tbh. People will say he'll bulk up while in the league overtime. But none of that is guaranteed, especially for someone like Poku like you said. Chris Boucher right "NOW" only weighs 215, and we know he can't cut it full time. Obviously Chet and Chris are different, I just think people underestimate frames and how much weight certain body types can add.

Jokic is a bit of a first....but noone had to bet on him with a top 2 pick.

I don't know. Ppl tend to think putting on weight is easy because for most ppl it is. I've never tried to lose weight in my life. I have tried to put it on tho....and it can be hard. Genetics can be limiting.

One thing tho....i've watched 2 of his games and he is not a wimpy guy. He talks trash and doesn't do it with a smile on his face. He definitely has a competitive edge. He's edgy.

[sbsat]

Imagine being a a "fan" of a team and actively rooting for them to lose

Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

Some of us have more patience then a five year old. *Shrug*

Watching a team year after year, knowing they'll top out at a 1st..maybe second round exit...I'll pass on that. What fan would want that? Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

I understand wanting to watch your team win. I would love to feel confident in our squad again like I used to. At the end of the day it's all preferential and everyone see's the outlook of the team differently. Where I disagree with them is coming into the TwO thread trying to either

1. Change the opinion of the many
2. Add nothing to prospect talk
3. detail thread because of their opinions.

I've said for months that their opinions shouldn't be disregarded because we don't agree with them. But they're going about it wrong. They should create their own thread and share their opinions with like minded individuals instead of coming into TwO and bickering with people who careless about their opinion on the matter.

Edit : I'd like to add that those posters who get mad when people post in here during losses . . What do you expect honestly? Losses moves TwO closer to that 6-8 range. Also there is only so many videos of prospects you can post if those same prospects don't play any games that day, or even the next few days.

Anyways E.L.E guys.

This thread was "detailed" by one of its own. Not me. If this is about prospects why is there a discourse on poking fun at fans who are happy with a Raptors win.? And when I see non sense like this I'll come in here and debate it be because.... You know... That's what a forum is for?

Outside of this I don't think coming in here and discussing the merits or lunacy about tanking is derailing. The thread is about... Tanking.

[sbsat]

If you’re against tanking, good for you. Why do you come to this thread? Got nothing better to do?

What the hell do you think a forum is for? I'm here directly expressing my opposing view on many the opinions expressed here. And the "well this thread is about prospects only" and we are derailing it is complete bs. If I came on here and lauded how awesome tanking is no one would call it derailing. It just so happens I have the opposite opinion. You know forums are for expressing and sharing one's opinion, even if it differs from yours.

[sbsat]

Imagine being proud of beating a team without their 2 time MVP player or starting C on a b2b (that had a war of a game) at home

Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

Imagine being a a "fan" of a team and actively rooting for them to lose

Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

Some of us have more patience then a five year old. *Shrug*

Watching a team year after year, knowing they'll top out at a 1st..maybe second round exit...I'll pass on that. What fan would want that? Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

Yeah I don't know... A fan who pays their hard earned many for seasons tickets wants to see a quality product and effort every night? That sounds laughable to you? A fan who knows empirically deliberately losing has overwhelmingly hurt more teams than help? Yeah I don't understand... I'm the dumb one.

[God Squad]

If you’re against tanking, good for you. Why do you come to this thread? Got nothing better to do?

What the hell do you think a forum is for? I'm here directly expressing my opposing view on many the opinions expressed here. And the "well this thread is about prospects only" and we are derailing it is complete bs. If I came on here and lauded how awesome tanking is no one would call it derailing. It just so happens I have the opposite opinion. You know forums are for expressing and sharing one's opinion, even if it differs from yours.

If you have the time to debate/bicker with people that don't share your opinion because " its a forum" then more power to you. But I'm not surprised that poster are getting tired of you.
Anyways you do you.

[sbsat]

If you’re against tanking, good for you. Why do you come to this thread? Got nothing better to do?

What the hell do you think a forum is for? I'm here directly expressing my opposing view on many the opinions expressed here. And the "well this thread is about prospects only" and we are derailing it is complete bs. If I came on here and lauded how awesome tanking is no one would call it derailing. It just so happens I have the opposite opinion. You know forums are for expressing and sharing one's opinion, even if it differs from yours.

If you have the time to debate/bicker with people that don't share your opinion because " its a forum" then more power to you. But I'm not surprised that poster are getting tired of you.
Anyways you do you.

ok will do and thanks.

[KrazyP]

Imagine being a a "fan" of a team and actively rooting for them to lose

Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

Some of us have more patience then a five year old. *Shrug*

Watching a team year after year, knowing they'll top out at a 1st..maybe second round exit...I'll pass on that. What fan would want that? Truly laughable stuff, actually kinda sad.

The Bucks are interesting. They turned a #15 pick (Giannis) and an under the radar trade for a guy picked in the 2nd round (Middleton) into a championship team.

After drafting Giannis, they did tank for 1 year but that landed them a complete scrub #2 overall - Jabari Parker. From that point, they were a middling "play-in" type team hovering around .500/1st round exit for 4-5 years before taking the next step.

Tank Nation logic would imply they should have continued to tank rather than trying to compete and build a winning culture. Would that have been the right move?

People need to be more flexible with their thinking. Not everything is black and white. Building a championship is a complex process with a lot of luck involved. The end goal can be accomplished in many different ways. 1st round exits on the surface may be a problem for impatient fans but they can actually serve as building steps for young teams.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/black-and-white-thinking

[Psubs]

The Bucks are interesting. They turned a #15 pick (Giannis) and an under the radar trade for a guy picked in the 2nd round (Middleton) into a championship team.

After drafting Giannis, they did tank for 1 year but that landed them a complete scrub #2 overall - Jabari Parker. From that point, they were a middling "play-in" type team hovering around .500/1st round exit for 4-5 years before taking the next step.

Tank Nation logic would imply they should have tanked rather than trying to compete and build a winning culture. Would that have been the right move?

People need to be more flexible with their thinking. Not everything is black and white. Building a championship is a complex process with a lot of luck involved. The end goal can be accomplished in many different ways. 1st round exits on the surface may be a problem for impatient fans but they can actually server as building steps for young teams.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/black-and-white-thinking

Pay your scouts well.

Kendall Brown and Nikola Jovic are tall, young and toolsy.

Raptors did their due diligence with Giddey, who seems like Lamelo Ball.

[KrazyP]

The Bucks are interesting. They turned a #15 pick (Giannis) and an under the radar trade for a guy picked in the 2nd round (Middleton) into a championship team.

After drafting Giannis, they did tank for 1 year but that landed them a complete scrub #2 overall - Jabari Parker. From that point, they were a middling "play-in" type team hovering around .500/1st round exit for 4-5 years before taking the next step.

Tank Nation logic would imply they should have tanked rather than trying to compete and build a winning culture. Would that have been the right move?

People need to be more flexible with their thinking. Not everything is black and white. Building a championship is a complex process with a lot of luck involved. The end goal can be accomplished in many different ways. 1st round exits on the surface may be a problem for impatient fans but they can actually server as building steps for young teams.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/black-and-white-thinking

Pay your scouts well.

Kendall Brown and Nikola Jovic are tall, young and toolsy.

Raptors did their due diligence with Giddey, who seems like Lamelo Ball.

Agreed.

The Raps had about a 70% chance of not moving up in the lottery last year to draft Barnes.

Had that happened, I wonder who they would have picked at #7 or #8? Franz Wagner seems to be the only guy that looks good right now....everybody else has looked pretty meh in that range. Things may change in time.

That said, the delta between drafting 7-10 vs 12-16 next summer simply isnt worth throwing an entire season away for the sake of tanking. Trust the scouting. Let the season play out....if the team manages to get to the playoffs - thats a great sign. If they totally flop, tank post all-star break and trust the Raptors superior scouting and development program. This shouldnt be so controversial.

[aligator]

I think it likely the Raps come up with a useful player wherever they pick. Imo, the top of this draft is not as good as 2021 draft, but it does have substantial depth. I would like to see the team acquire at least one 2nd round pick as with the developmental rules as they are now, 2nd rounders have more value than they once did.

[OakleyDokely]

The Bucks are interesting. They turned a #15 pick (Giannis) and an under the radar trade for a guy picked in the 2nd round (Middleton) into a championship team.

After drafting Giannis, they did tank for 1 year but that landed them a complete scrub #2 overall - Jabari Parker. From that point, they were a middling "play-in" type team hovering around .500/1st round exit for 4-5 years before taking the next step.

Tank Nation logic would imply they should have tanked rather than trying to compete and build a winning culture. Would that have been the right move?

People need to be more flexible with their thinking. Not everything is black and white. Building a championship is a complex process with a lot of luck involved. The end goal can be accomplished in many different ways. 1st round exits on the surface may be a problem for impatient fans but they can actually server as building steps for young teams.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/black-and-white-thinking

Pay your scouts well.

Kendall Brown and Nikola Jovic are tall, young and toolsy.

Raptors did their due diligence with Giddey, who seems like Lamelo Ball.

Agreed.

The Raps had about a 70% chance of not moving up in the lottery last year to draft Barnes.

Had that happened, I wonder who they would have picked at #7 or #8? Franz Wagner seems to be the only guy that looks good right now....everybody else has looked pretty meh in that range. Things may change in time.

That said, the delta between drafting 7-10 vs 12-16 next summer simply isnt worth throwing an entire season away for the sake of tanking. Trust the scouting. Let the season play out....if the team manages to get to the playoffs - thats a great sign. If they totally flop, tank post all-star break and trust the Raptors superior scouting and development program. This shouldnt be so controversial.

If the Raps didn't move up, it's possible Giddey would've been there because if OKC moved up, they would've likely taken Barnes instead.

[Psubs]

I think it likely the Raps come up with a useful player wherever they pick. Imo, the top of this draft is not as good as 2021 draft, but it does have substantial depth. I would like to see the team acquire at least one 2nd round pick as with the developmental rules as they are now, 2nd rounders have more value than they once did.

I feel like they can just pickup another player that goes undrafted.

Maybe Champagnie's brother makes it through clean?

[Psubs]

The Bucks are interesting. They turned a #15 pick (Giannis) and an under the radar trade for a guy picked in the 2nd round (Middleton) into a championship team.

After drafting Giannis, they did tank for 1 year but that landed them a complete scrub #2 overall - Jabari Parker. From that point, they were a middling "play-in" type team hovering around .500/1st round exit for 4-5 years before taking the next step.

Tank Nation logic would imply they should have tanked rather than trying to compete and build a winning culture. Would that have been the right move?

People need to be more flexible with their thinking. Not everything is black and white. Building a championship is a complex process with a lot of luck involved. The end goal can be accomplished in many different ways. 1st round exits on the surface may be a problem for impatient fans but they can actually server as building steps for young teams.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/black-and-white-thinking

Pay your scouts well.

Kendall Brown and Nikola Jovic are tall, young and toolsy.

Raptors did their due diligence with Giddey, who seems like Lamelo Ball.

Agreed.

The Raps had about a 70% chance of not moving up in the lottery last year to draft Barnes.

Had that happened, I wonder who they would have picked at #7 or #8? Franz Wagner seems to be the only guy that looks good right now....everybody else has looked pretty meh in that range. Things may change in time.

That said, the delta between drafting 7-10 vs 12-16 next summer simply isnt worth throwing an entire season away for the sake of tanking. Trust the scouting. Let the season play out....if the team manages to get to the playoffs - thats a great sign. If they totally flop, tank post all-star break and trust the Raptors superior scouting and development program. This shouldnt be so controversial.

Seems like a flat draft 1st round like the Flynn draft. Can pick up a Cole Anthony #15, Saddiq Bey, Tyrese Maxey or Precious Achiuwa around #20.

Overrated Okoro #5, Obi Toppin at #8, Jalen Smith went #10, Aaron Nesmith went #14.

[NotMyKawhi]

Mobley is a top 5 player already.

I was wrong abt Jalen Green even tho i still think he can grow. He's shown signs. I was against Cade. I was against Suggs

Mobley top 5 player