The Rockets are 4-0 without Jalen Green.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I just worked my way up to his first game played...he was a -37, they lost by only 18. That differential was gross, but the rockets winning out the minutes with him on the bench isn't unusual at all.

Including those 4 wins, they have a streak of 9 games where they outscore their opponents in non Jalen Green minutes.

[ocelot17]

This thread is stupid. Anyone that actually watches rockets games will tell you benching Theis and getting rid of that two centers starting lineup is the main reason Rockets are on a four game winning streak.

Read on Twitter

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Green scored 11 points in the first quarter against the Bulls before he got injured.

[GeorgeSears]

The Wiseman effect

[BallerTalk]

The Rockets record with Jalen Green is 1-16.

The Rockets record without Jalen Green is currently 4-0.

Jalen Green entered the league with tremendous hype as the next sensational SG.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The rockets improvement comes from going small and not starting Theis.

He posted the record - what doesn’t he know what he’s talking about?

1) The record posted is FACTUALLY WRONG.
2) The intended suggestion is laughably obtuse.
3) The agenda-driven dishonesty (or sincere ignorance) of OP is needlessly embarrassing.

In other words, typical RealGM dumbassery.
Carry on.

[Dominator83]

I mean he's a rookie, what do you expect?z

True. But Scott Barnes is a rookie and he's helping his team win games

[GreatWhiteStiff]

You have no idea what you are talking about. The rockets improvement comes from going small and not starting Theis.

He posted the record - what doesn’t he know what he’s talking about?

1) The record posted is FACTUALLY WRONG.
2) The intended suggestion is laughably obtuse.
3) The agenda-driven dishonesty (or sincere ignorance) of OP is needlessly embarrassing.

In other words, typical RealGM dumbassery.
Carry on.

I have no agenda, but there are like nine consecutive games rockets have outscored their opponents without green, Green has been a MASSIVE negative in the games he played except the last game he was injured and scored those eleven points. Obviously he was playing great in that game, credit for that.

I mean plus minus is dependent on how your teammates play, and how the team plays when you sit...but I do think its kind of amazing rockets have done THAT well, over that long a streak. To me....It's pretty impressive they can put some productive/competitive lineups out there.

[Adam Stern]

Yeah this is silly even for around here.
The Rockets finally hit the softer part of their schedule combined with a spate of home games and most significantly they finally ditched the double big lineups.

But go off on the rookie though.

[fanofthegreats]

Always felt the “generational athleticism” label was a stretch. Never felt that way when watching him play.

[nikster]

Like others have said the Rockets have made that lineup change. We will have to see how they play when hes back.

I have my doubts tho. Green has been a big negative on both ends of the floor, his advanced stats are shockingly bad. With him off the floor they have an offensive rating of 111.8, 6th in the league. With him they're at 93, 7 points worse than last place. The defense too: 103.7 or 2nd in the league without him, 115.4 with him on the floor. Dont know ive seen someone look that bad with on/off.

As for the lineup change, Wood and Theis are a positive 28 net rating in a small sample without Green. And even with Theis on the floor he is significantly negative

If hes playing i dont think they're beating Bulls or Hornets and drop one to the Thunder

[7r5ur]

green is a bust.

Well, that settles it. Now I know Green's gonna be a beast.

[BostonCouchGM]

I thought he was 6'7" based on what NBA draft "experts" and talking heads were telling us. WIth that in mind, I figured he was a can't miss prospect and potentially the next Kobe. Seen him play several times now and he's barely taller than KPJ and maybe 6'5" in shoes. That lowers his upside dramatically. Now I see him as a taller Sexton or very poor man's Beal. Still extremely talented but just not quite the prospect we were led to believe he was.

[Antinomy]

Green is talented but he seems to have negative IQ out there & nearly zero situational awareness.

Plus they have Kevin Porter running the Point which might actually be worse.

[The-Power]

The Rockets record with Jalen Green is 1-16.

The Rockets record without Jalen Green is currently 4-0.

Jalen Green entered the league with tremendous hype as the next sensational SG.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The rockets improvement comes from going small and not starting Theis.

Green has a -30.4 on/off net rating. Nobody else is even close to that on the Rockets, not even Theis as the second worst with -16.9. It's not a big deal yet because Rookies tend to have negative impact. But to imply that Green hasn't been a huge negative and his absence isn't conducive to the winning streak is just trying to explain away the obvious.

[GoBobs]

4 games is a small sample size. As for Green TS% is bad, he isn’t helping a team get wins right now.

[God Squad]

I knew once we went down they'd manage to get some wins. I'll bet once we returns and even without Theis they'll go back to losing. Green's that bad right now.

[The Box Office]

So Rocket fans don't want Jalen Green now? LOL ok. Let him go then. The Chicago Bulls will happily take him.

[pcbothwel]

The Memphis is 3-0 without Morant too, are you saying Green and Morant have negative impact?

I think its simple. If you are the primary ball handler/scorer/decision maker archetype, then you have a significant impact on the teams outcome. Similar to a QB in the NFL. If said player is making a few too many bad decisions, then it is amplified on the W/L record.

Its no surprise that Green, Suggs, Mitchell, etc. have started off poorly. Maxey, Anthony Edwards, and Cole Anthony all were terrible last year. Garland and Ja before them. Trae Young and Sexton too....

Point is, these types of players have a much harder time slowly incorporating themselves into the offense and picking their spots because they are asked to carry a high burden sooner.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Is this one of those times when we can learn from very recent history?

Last year's #1 pick, Anthony Edwards, was arguably the league's WORST rotational player through the first 20 or 30 games. His advanced stats were shockingly bad.

Granted, Edwards' drastic in-season turnaround was possibly unprecedented(?)... but it did at least show us that it's not always wise to write off guys after their first couple months in the L.

[TheDunc]

Always felt the “generational athleticism” label was a stretch. Never felt that way when watching him play.

Depends how you define athleticism, if were just talking about running and jumping he's definitely up there with the best but in the NBA strength counts for a lot too and hes lacking severely in that department

[Godymas]

if he had Wall dishing dimes and showing how to run the floor it would be very helpful.

Even Wall has asked to be willing to play, maybe Wall is even willing to be a floor general rather than an inefficient chucker. That would be the best way to return to value, to show a CP3 type of impact instead of being a pure shooter and scorer.

And Jalen Green is talented, he's already posted a 30 point game on 8-11 from 3. He's had a couple of solid 20 point games, anyone who is able to do that in the NBA against solid teams has a place. By the end of the year he'll be looking a lot better but he needs serious coaching and development to be successful.