Is Fred a true point guard?

[johanliebert]

You basketball philosophers still arguing that a 6’1 player with average athleticism is a SG?

Stop reading spreadsheets and watch games.

[johanliebert]

We can debate whether or not he's a point guard, but what shouldn't be up for debate is if he is the problem on this team. He is not. There are 3 guys that are on contracts that are close to Fred's, that are around his level as a player. Malcolm Brogdon, Lonzo Ball, and Marcus Smart. They've all got their flaws, and I don't think you can definitively say that any one of them is better than Fred.

We can debate his current role, but he is without a doubt a very valuable piece as a 3rd or 4th scoring option.

I don't understand how people can watch the team and say Fred is the problem. This team sucks without him and Memphis played box and one on him and allowed all these guys to shoot last game. Guess what? they fell down 11 in the first half.

We're asking him to be a 1st and 2nd option that is completely unfair to him, but he's thriving despite the team having no spacing whatsoever.

They’d have to watch games to notice how they defended him.

Instead they’ll post ncaa stats claiming Flynn can run a team while he struggled getting the rs;tors into sets in the NBA.

[vulture]

We can debate whether or not he's a point guard, but what shouldn't be up for debate is if he is the problem on this team. He is not. There are 3 guys that are on contracts that are close to Fred's, that are around his level as a player. Malcolm Brogdon, Lonzo Ball, and Marcus Smart. They've all got their flaws, and I don't think you can definitively say that any one of them is better than Fred.

We can debate his current role, but he is without a doubt a very valuable piece as a 3rd or 4th scoring option.

I don't understand how people can watch the team and say Fred is the problem. This team sucks without him and Memphis played box and one on him and allowed all these guys to shoot last game. Guess what? they fell down 11 in the first half.

We're asking him to be a 1st and 2nd option that is completely unfair to him, but he's thriving despite the team having no spacing whatsoever.

They’d have to watch games to notice how they defended him.

Instead they’ll post ncaa stats claiming Flynn can run a team while he struggled getting the rs;tors into sets in the NBA.

not very many posters here can tell you what coverages team employ to defend Pascal and Fred or what the raptors do to limit other stars other than they help aggressively.

[Danny1616]

He's been better than Lowry this year who has been very underwhelming for the Heat.

I'm reading Heat reddit and they are very disappointed with how he's playing.

He's shooting only 41% from the field and 30% from 3. I love Lowry but I've watched a few Heat games and he's been very passive and actually has a lot of unforced turnovers and sloppy plays.

Fred at this point is the better player, but obviously prime Lowry was elite.

[ItsDanger]

In over 1.5 seasons from now, Fred has a PO. The real question is do you see this guy as your future "PG" with Scottie on the team and a potentially a high lottery pick incoming? Its a question I'm sure management is asking themselves in the trade market currently.

[vulture]

In over 1.5 seasons from now, Fred has a PO. The real question is do you see this guy as your future "PG" with Scottie on the team and a potentially a high lottery pick incoming? Its a question I'm sure management is asking themselves in the trade market currently.

The only question they are asking themselves is if they move him they will bottom out and is that what they want to do?
I'm good either way, but it's something they have to consider.

[TRik]

I love FVV for this team. I just wished he could pass more, recognise the good pass earlier, and learn how to pass well.

If he can’t improve there…..then yup, trade away.

[WaltFrazier]

OK Freddie, awesome game, no more hating. For a few games at least.

And a large part of his success vs Bucks was that he played off the ball a lot. Because Holiday was making it tough for him at the point. I hope this is a recipe going forward, run Fred off more screens and use his shooting.

But full credit, kept plugging on D against a bigger super guard in Jrue, AND made many clutch shots. Great effort.

[mdenny]

In over 1.5 seasons from now, Fred has a PO. The real question is do you see this guy as your future "PG" with Scottie on the team and a potentially a high lottery pick incoming? Its a question I'm sure management is asking themselves in the trade market currently.

You are completely wrong about this. Management are not asking this question. Management think very highly of him. This board has clouded your perception.

[Ref_from_hell]

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William Lou did not hold back his slander of Fred haters tonight

[Psubs]

In over 1.5 seasons from now, Fred has a PO. The real question is do you see this guy as your future "PG" with Scottie on the team and a potentially a high lottery pick incoming? Its a question I'm sure management is asking themselves in the trade market currently.

You are completely wrong about this. Management are not asking this question. Management think very highly of him. This board has clouded your perception.

Management is wondering if they can extend him for $25 million per year. If not then may have to let him walk. 5 year $125 million extension?

[sidsid]

In over 1.5 seasons from now, Fred has a PO. The real question is do you see this guy as your future "PG" with Scottie on the team and a potentially a high lottery pick incoming? Its a question I'm sure management is asking themselves in the trade market currently.

You are completely wrong about this. Management are not asking this question. Management think very highly of him. This board has clouded your perception.

Management is wondering if they can extend him for $25 million per year. If not then may have to let him walk. 5 year $125 million extension?

If management is smart, they'll be planning a pitch to Jokic if he hasn't re-upped with Denver, then they'll pivot to plan B: asset retention in Fred and GTJ if they fail.

[mdenny]

You are completely wrong about this. Management are not asking this question. Management think very highly of him. This board has clouded your perception.

Management is wondering if they can extend him for $25 million per year. If not then may have to let him walk. 5 year $125 million extension?

If management is smart, they'll be planning a pitch to Jokic if he hasn't re-upped with Denver, then they'll pivot to plan B: asset retention in Fred and GTJ if they fail.

Is there any question about jokic's resigning. He's eligible for the supermax next year. One would think he would sign that as soon as the door opens no?

[OakleyDokely]

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[sidsid]

Management is wondering if they can extend him for $25 million per year. If not then may have to let him walk. 5 year $125 million extension?

If management is smart, they'll be planning a pitch to Jokic if he hasn't re-upped with Denver, then they'll pivot to plan B: asset retention in Fred and GTJ if they fail.

Is there any question about jokic's resigning. He's eligible for the supermax next year. One would think he would sign that as soon as the door opens no?

They've got a big contract guy leaving for season ending back surgery and their other one hasn't played in a year for his own major, possibly career defining surgery.

If they flounder in the playoffs these next two years and these guys can't stay healthy or effective... If I'm Jokic that's my signal to get out. Giannis has been an outlier in this era when it comes to sticking with a mediocre team.

[Basketball_Jones]

He’s been great. If Boucher and Precious would finish open layups he dimes them that’d be great as well.

[KrazyP]

Can the OP make a list of all the "true point guards" in the game today so we have an opportunity to micro analyze their deficiencies the way we do with VanVleet?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

He's been better than Lowry this year who has been very underwhelming for the Heat.

I'm reading Heat reddit and they are very disappointed with how he's playing.

He's shooting only 41% from the field and 30% from 3. I love Lowry but I've watched a few Heat games and he's been very passive and actually has a lot of unforced turnovers and sloppy plays.

Fred at this point is the better player, but obviously prime Lowry was elite.

His three point shooting brings down his overall shooting percentage. Only thing wrong with lowry's game is the three.

I would say its in the unlikely to incredibly unlikely range that lowry forgot or lost the ability to hit the nba three at a higher rate than 30%. I pointed this out many times the last time lowry started out poorly from three, but whatever.

[Danny1616]

He's been better than Lowry this year who has been very underwhelming for the Heat.

I'm reading Heat reddit and they are very disappointed with how he's playing.

He's shooting only 41% from the field and 30% from 3. I love Lowry but I've watched a few Heat games and he's been very passive and actually has a lot of unforced turnovers and sloppy plays.

Fred at this point is the better player, but obviously prime Lowry was elite.

His three point shooting brings down his overall shooting percentage. Only thing wrong with lowry's game is the three.

I would say its in the unlikely to incredibly unlikely range that lowry forgot or lost the ability to hit the nba three at a higher rate than 30%. I pointed this out many times the last time lowry started out poorly from three, but whatever.

Fair point, but he just doesn't look like he can take over games like he used to and is overly passive. Even Heat fans are bewildered by him not taking many shots when they have injuries to key players.

I hope I'm wrong because I really want Lowry to succeed.

[VanWest82]

He's been better than Lowry this year who has been very underwhelming for the Heat.

I'm reading Heat reddit and they are very disappointed with how he's playing.

He's shooting only 41% from the field and 30% from 3. I love Lowry but I've watched a few Heat games and he's been very passive and actually has a lot of unforced turnovers and sloppy plays.

Fred at this point is the better player, but obviously prime Lowry was elite.

His three point shooting brings down his overall shooting percentage. Only thing wrong with lowry's game is the three.

I would say its in the unlikely to incredibly unlikely range that lowry forgot or lost the ability to hit the nba three at a higher rate than 30%. I pointed this out many times the last time lowry started out poorly from three, but whatever.

Kyle's FTAs are also way down (5.9 in 19/20; 3.5 in 20/21; 2.1 so far this year) and he's now getting full on targeted on defense. He's leading the Heat in defended FGAs because of this and is giving up a whopping +7.7% above expected FG%.

It's more than just his three ball. Kyle is declining while Fred is ascending. Fred is very clearly the better player at this stage.