Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[Kobewade11]

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He’s talking Herro and Robinson for Ingram here

You take that and run. The only issue is that after Tucker is done that'll be Spoelstra's PF.

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Why would we trade Herro for Ingram and why are Ethan’s 5 reasons stooges still trying to make Ingram a thing? Now dont get me wrong BI is cool, but when you factor in Herro’s age, contract, and the way he’s been playing, he should only be brought up in trade talks if we’re bringing in a true franchise player, and Ingram has shown nothing to be that guy.

[twix2500]

Thinking big picture here :


1. With Brook Lopez out with back surgery, and Kyrie not playing - there's no real unbeatable teams in the East.

There's a lot of good teams, but no one we can't beat if we're at our best.

2. We're far from our best. With Bam out this long, Dipo still isn't ready, and Duncan and Lowry struggling to start the season - we just have to find a way to survive the next month or two.

If we can win half of these games, we'll be at a good enough spot to finish the season strong when everybody's healthy. We won't finish as the top 3 seed, but if we'll be at our best - we can beat any Eastern team without home court advantage IMO.

We need Dipo back as soon as possible, we need Morris to get over the neck thing, we need our shooters to get out of their slumps, we need Gabe and Strus to keep playing well, and maybe Omer/KZ can take advantage of the opportunity with Bam out.


Just keep our heads above water for the next 2 months, don't panic and collapse. We'll have a shot once we're at full strength to end the year.

If the Heat play 500 ball up the all-star and everyone returns health. They will have a good chance to finish in the top 3. The top 3 will not have an extrodanary record

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[harlem_ball]

With the loss of Lopez the East is now WIDE OPEN, fellas.

Let's get everyone back healthy and it's time to make the FINALS.

[AirP.]

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He’s talking Herro and Robinson for Ingram here

You take that and run. The only issue is that after Tucker is done that'll be Spoelstra's PF.

Watch on YouTube

Why would we trade Herro for Ingram and why are Ethan’s 5 reasons stooges still trying to make Ingram a thing? Now dont get me wrong BI is cool, but when you factor in Herro’s age, contract, and the way he’s been playing, he should only be brought up in trade talks if we’re bringing in a true franchise player, and Ingram has shown nothing to be that guy.

First, the ages aren't that far off, Herro turns 22 in January, Ingram turned 24 in September, about a 2 1/2 year difference. Secondly just Ingram's size and length gives him an advantage on defense to be shaped into a better overall player on defense.

I believe the reason Ingram is brought up is because he is the only possible higher-level player that could be available for what Miami has since the Pels have shown interest in Robinson and you'd expect they'd have more interest in Herro. Adding 2 good outside shooters to a team with Zion is a smart way to go, especially if you don't think Ingram and Zion can mesh well.

[harlem_ball]

You take that and run. The only issue is that after Tucker is done that'll be Spoelstra's PF.

Watch on YouTube

Why would we trade Herro for Ingram and why are Ethan’s 5 reasons stooges still trying to make Ingram a thing? Now dont get me wrong BI is cool, but when you factor in Herro’s age, contract, and the way he’s been playing, he should only be brought up in trade talks if we’re bringing in a true franchise player, and Ingram has shown nothing to be that guy.

First, the ages aren't that far off, Herro turns 22 in January, Ingram turned 24 in September, about a 2 1/2 year difference. Secondly just Ingram's size and length gives him an advantage on defense to be shaped into a better overall player on defense.

I believe the reason Ingram is brought up is because he is the only possible higher-level player that could be available for what Miami has since the Pels have shown interest in Robinson and you'd expect they'd have more interest in Herro. Adding 2 good outside shooters to a team with Zion is a smart way to go, especially if you don't think Ingram and Zion can mesh well.

Pelis have no chance of prying the future of the Heat franchise for B I

If BI were worthy he would be winning right now without Zion. BI is a future role player. He's a Harrison Barnes.

[MorbidHEAT]

Thinking big picture here :


1. With Brook Lopez out with back surgery, and Kyrie not playing - there's no real unbeatable teams in the East.

There's a lot of good teams, but no one we can't beat if we're at our best.

2. We're far from our best. With Bam out this long, Dipo still isn't ready, and Duncan and Lowry struggling to start the season - we just have to find a way to survive the next month or two.

If we can win half of these games, we'll be at a good enough spot to finish the season strong when everybody's healthy. We won't finish as the top 3 seed, but if we'll be at our best - we can beat any Eastern team without home court advantage IMO.

We need Dipo back as soon as possible, we need Morris to get over the neck thing, we need our shooters to get out of their slumps, we need Gabe and Strus to keep playing well, and maybe Omer/KZ can take advantage of the opportunity with Bam out.


Just keep our heads above water for the next 2 months, don't panic and collapse. We'll have a shot once we're at full strength to end the year.

Agreed. The east is open...the NBA really...but specifically the East. Dipo is going to make a huge difference if he is even 70% of what he was. Duncan and Kyle get their stuff together and we get healthy. If all of that happens and we manage to survive the next few months going at least 500 on those games, we will be in good shape to make a push. We get in the playoffs without the play-in, we can beat anybody in a series.

[AirP.]

Why would we trade Herro for Ingram and why are Ethan’s 5 reasons stooges still trying to make Ingram a thing? Now dont get me wrong BI is cool, but when you factor in Herro’s age, contract, and the way he’s been playing, he should only be brought up in trade talks if we’re bringing in a true franchise player, and Ingram has shown nothing to be that guy.

First, the ages aren't that far off, Herro turns 22 in January, Ingram turned 24 in September, about a 2 1/2 year difference. Secondly just Ingram's size and length gives him an advantage on defense to be shaped into a better overall player on defense.

I believe the reason Ingram is brought up is because he is the only possible higher-level player that could be available for what Miami has since the Pels have shown interest in Robinson and you'd expect they'd have more interest in Herro. Adding 2 good outside shooters to a team with Zion is a smart way to go, especially if you don't think Ingram and Zion can mesh well.

Pelis have no chance of prying the future of the Heat franchise for B I

If BI were worthy he would be winning right now without Zion. BI is a future role player. He's a Harrison Barnes.

Weird, it seems that without Butler this team looks like one of the worst teams in the league, last year and this year. Recently Denver was missing 2 max players when they beat Miami in Miami.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The time is now!! Whatever it takes to win a ring

[Flash4thewin]

Pat may smell blood in the water but what real trade assets do we have? Duncan has been a failure thus far and is a negative asset. Lowry looks old out on the court and hes not have a good season for the near 30 mil we are paying him. Bam is hurt and is our defensive anchor. No point in trading Butler, we want to add people to play with him.

Herro is our only real asset and his value is not enough to get Whales

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Agree that the East is open but even if we're fully healthy (including Dipo) we still have a major issue that threatens to brutally limit our ceiling and that is 3pt shooting. Our two best players being complete non-factors from outside require that everyone else pick up the spacing slack, and while Herro and PJ have been great, we absolutely need Duncan and Lowry to pick it up. Lowry has actually somehow been worse from 3 than Duncan this year. Outside a trade that brings us a deadeye 3pt specialist, or Dipo suddenly becoming one, we're gonna need Duncan and Lowry to get MUCH better from 3 in order to have a realistic chance at a chip

[Kobewade11]

First, the ages aren't that far off, Herro turns 22 in January, Ingram turned 24 in September, about a 2 1/2 year difference. Secondly just Ingram's size and length gives him an advantage on defense to be shaped into a better overall player on defense.

I believe the reason Ingram is brought up is because he is the only possible higher-level player that could be available for what Miami has since the Pels have shown interest in Robinson and you'd expect they'd have more interest in Herro. Adding 2 good outside shooters to a team with Zion is a smart way to go, especially if you don't think Ingram and Zion can mesh well.

Ingram has already gotten paid. Herro is on the most valuable contract in the league. If you make that deal and Ingram isnt the guy you think he is, we’re in purgatory. You only move Herro for a sure thing.

[AirP.]

First, the ages aren't that far off, Herro turns 22 in January, Ingram turned 24 in September, about a 2 1/2 year difference. Secondly just Ingram's size and length gives him an advantage on defense to be shaped into a better overall player on defense.

I believe the reason Ingram is brought up is because he is the only possible higher-level player that could be available for what Miami has since the Pels have shown interest in Robinson and you'd expect they'd have more interest in Herro. Adding 2 good outside shooters to a team with Zion is a smart way to go, especially if you don't think Ingram and Zion can mesh well.

Ingram has already gotten paid. Herro is on the most valuable contract in the league. If you make that deal and Ingram isnt the guy you think he is, we’re in purgatory. You only move Herro for a sure thing.

That's why you're sending out Duncan with him. At the very least Ingram has length, shoots well and can create his own shot.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we traded Herro for Ingram I wouldn’t be ecstatic but I wouldn’t be mad either. Would just have to see how it plays out.

Now if out of nowhere the clippers say hey we’ll give you one of Kawhi or PG with Reggie Jackson for Lowry Herro and Duncan if he hype

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I'm on the fence and could be convinced either way on the Herro/Duncan for Ingram thing. I've always liked Ingram's game as like an ultimate role player who can provide consistent potent offense as your 3rd best player, and my gut wants to convince me that Herro's game will eventually fall off at some point. But if we did that trade then we'd still have to bring in a 3pt shooting specialist to play 25-30 mpg because we'd essentially be trading 2 shooters for 1 (assuming Duncan eventually snaps out of it). Perhaps Strus can be that guy in an elevated role off the bench with Herro gone, and Dipo can replace Herro's 6th man volume scoring

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm on the fence and could be convinced either way on the Herro/Duncan for Ingram thing. I've always liked Ingram's game as like an ultimate role player who can provide consistent potent offense as your 3rd best player, and my gut wants to convince me that Herro's game will eventually fall off at some point. But if we did that trade then we'd still have to bring in a 3pt shooting specialist to play 25-30 mpg because we'd essentially be trading 2 shooters for 1 (assuming Duncan eventually snaps out of it). Perhaps Strus can be that guy in an elevated role off the bench with Herro gone, and Dipo can replace Herro's 6th man volume scoring

Yea man Dipo is the wild card in all of it. If he’s himself he can provide literally everything, there’s nothing he isn’t good at and it would ease the blow if losing Herro. Strus is ready imo

[twix2500]

Not a big fan of Donyell Marshall Jr. I will let yall tug that out

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[Kobewade11]

That's why you're sending out Duncan with him. At the very least Ingram has length, shoots well and can create his own shot.

I've heard aesthetics, length, and shooting ability...but can you win with him? Can he be the center piece of a team with championship aspirations? Can he make a team better? If the answer to the questions are no, that's not a guy I'm moving Herro for.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not a big fan of Donyell Marshall Jr. I will let yall tug that out

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Donyell stop it!!

[AirP.]

That's why you're sending out Duncan with him. At the very least Ingram has length, shoots well and can create his own shot.

I've heard aesthetics, length, and shooting ability...but can you win with him? Can he be the center piece of a team with championship aspirations? Can he make a team better? If the answer to the questions are no, that's not a guy I'm moving Herro for.

With Butler and Bam, absolutely, he gives this team another big athletic body to utilize in the starting lineup. It's quite possible with everyone working on their bodies like Miami pushes their players to do, maybe he fills out better which would help him. Like I have mentioned in a post recently, when Butler wasn't around last year and even this year, this team could not win and in fact looked like one of the worst teams in the league, New Orleans has just been a horribly ran team much like Minnesota and both teams for some reason keep getting lucky to get #1 overall picks.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

That's why you're sending out Duncan with him. At the very least Ingram has length, shoots well and can create his own shot.

I've heard aesthetics, length, and shooting ability...but can you win with him? Can he be the center piece of a team with championship aspirations? Can he make a team better? If the answer to the questions are no, that's not a guy I'm moving Herro for.

We haven’t seen him out in the position to do that though tbh. Young Lakers team then this pelicans team that Zion is always out. People thought the same about Wiggins but look at him now. I think Ingram would be a huge boost, especially to the starting lineup over Duncan