PG Thread: Oof

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No they didn’t. Unless the new GM just doesn’t hire Thibs and finds some tank coach to do it. Hiring Thibs ended the tank dream until he’s gone

The Kemba and Fournier signings were bad though. Well we’ll see if they move Kemba. But no doubt on Fournier

Thibs missed the playoffs his first season with the Wolves and got into the top 10 of the draft, all we had to do to insure missing the playoffs and getting in the top 10 of the lottery was not trade for Rose. Thib's is not a miracle worker, as evidenced by this season. How would we look right now with Franz Wagner playing the 3 for us in a jumbo lineup? We didn't need to tank to get an impact player in this draft.

These guys may lose their jobs just the same for not being daring enough. This is a middle of the road team at best.

They were 12-15 before D.Rose. Not really bad enough to guarantee a top 10 pick. Probably late lotto because Thibs is going all out for wins. And then do you really have confidence in them to not have drafted another late lotto bust? I don’t. But I guess we’ll never know

They weren't going to make the playoffs without Rose, and even without a top 10 pick maybe they get the guy they coveted in Duarte, which would stop them from signing Fournier. You're making Thibs out to be more than he is to be honest.

You're right we don't know, but we do know this isn't a good team.

[moocow007]

DeRozan 25, 5 and 4 on 49% shooting this year. He would have been great here.

Yeah but at least we got Fournier and Kemba...and all our role players back (except Bullock).

[prophet_of_rage]

Yep. Some of us are not content with auditioning for Oliver with our begging bowls outstretched saying May I have another sir please?

Randle is a juiced up journeyman whose stats are pumped up due to his role. People getting all bent out of shape because we don't act grateful just don't appreciate that our standards are higher than theirs and we're not content to settle for a guy like this being whom you build around.

Randle as the foundational player of your club is a joke. People can go pound sand if that bothers them.

Ya’lls standards really aren’t that high though because we pump up every scrub rookie that drifts through this franchise like they’re a future superstar

The knicks haven't extended a 1st round rookie since Charlier Ward. How can you blame Knicks fans for that?

By adding to a toxic environment amd enabling a mercurial owner. Every sell the team chant has created a panicked regime change.

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[moocow007]

I genuinely don't know what to make of this team. It's a true enigma.. Randle makes a ton of big plays down the stretch and tough shots... Then misses free throws. Just kind of embodies this team at the moment LOL

They aren't talented enough to do the things that fans expect them to be able to do then bitch when they can't.

Randle is not a true no.1 expected to be a no.1. RJ Barrett isn't a true no.2 expected to be a true no.2. Their starting PG is a journeyman bench player and yet he's looked better than any starting PG they've had in how many years now (think about that and you'll realize what that means)? The most talented C is their 36 year old 3rd string C. Their best shot creator (Rose) is a bench player that can't play major minutes across games cause of past injuries and mileage. They've essentially be going 3 on 5 for years now when they have the ball starting the 1st and 3rd quarters (where starters usually star) because their starting PG AND C have been offensively challenged. And the 3 they have aren't exactly exceptional relative to their expected roles. Thibs being able to get the Knicks even to where they are is pretty impressive and you have to give credit to the players on this team to be able to even go out there and be where they are to be very candid here.

I've been saying this over and over and over again for years now (decades?) and yet folks still think that all it takes is 3 point shooting (3&D, a C that can shoot 3's) and a whole gaggle of young players that also aren't talented enough to do diddly to do anything. The NBA, above any other professional sport is about talent. You need top end talent. Without it you can have all the nicest role players, mid round to 2nd round draftees and great human beings in the world and you'll not win. Talent is where it starts. Always has been. The Knicks have consistently failed in that area...getting enough talent to even begin to worry about the other things (team chemistry, balanced role players, etc.). Ewing and the Knicks of the 90's were the closest and lets be honest, they weren't even as close as it seemed. Why's that?

[robillionaire]

Thibs missed the playoffs his first season with the Wolves and got into the top 10 of the draft, all we had to do to insure missing the playoffs and getting in the top 10 of the lottery was not trade for Rose. Thib's is not a miracle worker, as evidenced by this season. How would we look right now with Franz Wagner playing the 3 for us in a jumbo lineup? We didn't need to tank to get an impact player in this draft.

These guys may lose their jobs just the same for not being daring enough. This is a middle of the road team at best.

They were 12-15 before D.Rose. Not really bad enough to guarantee a top 10 pick. Probably late lotto because Thibs is going all out for wins. And then do you really have confidence in them to not have drafted another late lotto bust? I don’t. But I guess we’ll never know

They weren't going to make the playoffs without Rose, and even without a top 10 pick maybe they get the guy they coveted in Duarte, which would stop them from signing Fournier. You're making Thibs out to be more than he is to be honest.

You're right we don't know, but we do know this isn't a good team.

maybe you’re right, I probably do overrate Thibs. But it’s because we’ve had so much incompetence at the coaching position over the years

Last year’s team wasn’t good either. It was 12-15. And mostly unchanged from the 6th worst record in the nba the prior year. Thibs coaching is the main thing keeping their heads a little bit above water

[knickstape4ever]

Thibs missed the playoffs his first season with the Wolves and got into the top 10 of the draft, all we had to do to insure missing the playoffs and getting in the top 10 of the lottery was not trade for Rose. Thib's is not a miracle worker, as evidenced by this season. How would we look right now with Franz Wagner playing the 3 for us in a jumbo lineup? We didn't need to tank to get an impact player in this draft.

These guys may lose their jobs just the same for not being daring enough. This is a middle of the road team at best.

They were 12-15 before D.Rose. Not really bad enough to guarantee a top 10 pick. Probably late lotto because Thibs is going all out for wins. And then do you really have confidence in them to not have drafted another late lotto bust? I don’t. But I guess we’ll never know

They weren't going to make the playoffs without Rose, and even without a top 10 pick maybe they get the guy they coveted in Duarte, which would stop them from signing Fournier. You're making Thibs out to be more than he is to be honest.

You're right we don't know, but we do know this isn't a good team.

Thibs did a great job last year and our culture is improved but seeing where we are now, I just would've preferred a regular rebuild than the Knicks classic skipping steps. I guess that went out the window when Rose was hired rather than someone like Ujiri or Presti

I'll die on the Kenny Atkinson hill. IMO he would've been perfect for us

[prophet_of_rage]

I don’t blame fans for the Knicks failed scouting and draft selections however I can accurately point out the overhyping of all these guys and going so far to blame the organization and coaches for not force feeding more minutes to the busts

Just stop it with the bookmark stuff. Halfway through Frank's tenure I was already resigned to just hoping he could become a productive player. It was fun to root for him partly because of the extremist idiocy of people being so anti-Frankenfooters which was not an actual thing, just a fun way to root for someone in light of our lack of success as a franchise. Ron Baker was a Gawd too. That was fun for a minute or two.

I'm not hyped about anyone at this point. I think IQ could evolve into a special player, but he's wild and still makes bad decisions and has lots of skill development ahead of him to reach that pinnacle. This year's rookies are just rookies until they make a dent in the universe. Obi is a breath of fresh air and I love to watch him play. He is probably the # 1 source of joy for me this season. But he's not a future superstar by a long shot. He's still weak AF and has a janky handle, but he sure can do unique things that no one else does. He's fun.

So having fun with young players is just that, fun. There are still no future superstars on this team. And Randle making the ASG last year was nice, but let's not hype that either, because he really is not that good at basketball sometimes even though he's a bull and can carry you for spurts when he's hot. But he's not a great player. He's our featured player. So everything is what it is: fairly mediocre.

We do not have a single talent that can be a Top 10 or even Top 20 player. And we'll need one some day to change the narrative

I don’t really disagree with any of that. It’s fun to pretend, for example, that McBride will come in and save us. It’s fun for me to watch Kevin Knox come in for 4 minutes and make a 3. I get it. Plus it gives us this sense of hope that there’s something we can do to salvage things. But IMO we are too hard on the players we have that are actually doing the heavy lifting and act like pollyannas about all these young guys. Not even talking about you specifically but just the tendency of the fanbase in general

There was no better Knick than Patrick Ewing and he hated us because we bkamed him for not beating Jordan. The Greatest Knick ever and we blamed him. Unless two all stars comr this is how it will be for our best guy.

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[robillionaire]

Just stop it with the bookmark stuff. Halfway through Frank's tenure I was already resigned to just hoping he could become a productive player. It was fun to root for him partly because of the extremist idiocy of people being so anti-Frankenfooters which was not an actual thing, just a fun way to root for someone in light of our lack of success as a franchise. Ron Baker was a Gawd too. That was fun for a minute or two.

I'm not hyped about anyone at this point. I think IQ could evolve into a special player, but he's wild and still makes bad decisions and has lots of skill development ahead of him to reach that pinnacle. This year's rookies are just rookies until they make a dent in the universe. Obi is a breath of fresh air and I love to watch him play. He is probably the # 1 source of joy for me this season. But he's not a future superstar by a long shot. He's still weak AF and has a janky handle, but he sure can do unique things that no one else does. He's fun.

So having fun with young players is just that, fun. There are still no future superstars on this team. And Randle making the ASG last year was nice, but let's not hype that either, because he really is not that good at basketball sometimes even though he's a bull and can carry you for spurts when he's hot. But he's not a great player. He's our featured player. So everything is what it is: fairly mediocre.

We do not have a single talent that can be a Top 10 or even Top 20 player. And we'll need one some day to change the narrative

I don’t really disagree with any of that. It’s fun to pretend, for example, that McBride will come in and save us. It’s fun for me to watch Kevin Knox come in for 4 minutes and make a 3. I get it. Plus it gives us this sense of hope that there’s something we can do to salvage things. But IMO we are too hard on the players we have that are actually doing the heavy lifting and act like pollyannas about all these young guys. Not even talking about you specifically but just the tendency of the fanbase in general

There was no better Knick than Patrick Ewing and he hated us because we bkamed him for not beating Jordan. The Greatest Knick ever and we blamed him. Unless two all stars comr this is how it will be for our best guy.

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Facts. Just comes with the territory

[moocow007]

Just stop it with the bookmark stuff. Halfway through Frank's tenure I was already resigned to just hoping he could become a productive player. It was fun to root for him partly because of the extremist idiocy of people being so anti-Frankenfooters which was not an actual thing, just a fun way to root for someone in light of our lack of success as a franchise. Ron Baker was a Gawd too. That was fun for a minute or two.

I'm not hyped about anyone at this point. I think IQ could evolve into a special player, but he's wild and still makes bad decisions and has lots of skill development ahead of him to reach that pinnacle. This year's rookies are just rookies until they make a dent in the universe. Obi is a breath of fresh air and I love to watch him play. He is probably the # 1 source of joy for me this season. But he's not a future superstar by a long shot. He's still weak AF and has a janky handle, but he sure can do unique things that no one else does. He's fun.

So having fun with young players is just that, fun. There are still no future superstars on this team. And Randle making the ASG last year was nice, but let's not hype that either, because he really is not that good at basketball sometimes even though he's a bull and can carry you for spurts when he's hot. But he's not a great player. He's our featured player. So everything is what it is: fairly mediocre.

We do not have a single talent that can be a Top 10 or even Top 20 player. And we'll need one some day to change the narrative

I don’t really disagree with any of that. It’s fun to pretend, for example, that McBride will come in and save us. It’s fun for me to watch Kevin Knox come in for 4 minutes and make a 3. I get it. Plus it gives us this sense of hope that there’s something we can do to salvage things. But IMO we are too hard on the players we have that are actually doing the heavy lifting and act like pollyannas about all these young guys. Not even talking about you specifically but just the tendency of the fanbase in general

There was no better Knick than Patrick Ewing and he hated us because we bkamed him for not beating Jordan. The Greatest Knick ever and we blamed him. Unless two all stars comr this is how it will be for our best guy.

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And we keep doing this. When the one guy that no one in their right mind should expect to be able to pull gold out their butt fails to do so we run him out of town or want to trade him for any old grass is greener on the other side player or package. Then when that doesn't work, we blame that player, and rinse repeat. Too many fans expect something that is not realistic from guys like Ewing on down to Carmleo and now Randle and when they can't perform miracles they are escapegoated and basically run out of town. Our player not Michael, Kobe or Lebron level? **** him and get him out of here.

[Chanel Bomber]

I mean it’s easy for us to sit back like it’s a my gm on 2k and say they should have blown it up traded the most improved player for draft picks the summer after being a 4 seed and tanked and fired Thibs who just won coach of the year (he isn’t a tank coach) etc etc but if put yourself in the shoes of Leon Rose, who I presume enjoys having a job and doesn’t want to be unemployed, you’d see that you’re not being reasonable and nobody would have done this in reality

And also you’d have to deal with the fanbase who would have insisted that if we kept the 4 seed team together and kept building on it we could be contenders during your whole tank effort which wouldn’t go over nearly as well as 2015-2020 did

Jerry West advised the Clippers to trade Blake Griffin after a jersey retirement ceremony and promises of making him a Clipper for life.

They traded him, and they now have two of the best players in the game in Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

The best front offices do what's best for the franchise. And that includes sometimes making unpopular decisions, like the Warriors trading Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut.

The Knicks were never able to build a contender around Melo partly because they didn't amnesty Amar'e Stoudemire. Yes, it would have been a PR nightmare at the time. He had just made All-NBA, and had supposedly made the Knicks relevant again. But it would have been the right move. Nobody cared about Amar'e just a year after the Knicks amnestied Billups.

[Chanel Bomber]

I don’t really disagree with any of that. It’s fun to pretend, for example, that McBride will come in and save us. It’s fun for me to watch Kevin Knox come in for 4 minutes and make a 3. I get it. Plus it gives us this sense of hope that there’s something we can do to salvage things. But IMO we are too hard on the players we have that are actually doing the heavy lifting and act like pollyannas about all these young guys. Not even talking about you specifically but just the tendency of the fanbase in general

There was no better Knick than Patrick Ewing and he hated us because we bkamed him for not beating Jordan. The Greatest Knick ever and we blamed him. Unless two all stars comr this is how it will be for our best guy.

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And we keep doing this. When the one guy that no one in their right mind should expect to be able to pull gold out their butt fails to do so we run him out of town or want to trade him for any old grass is greener on the other side player or package. Then when that doesn't work, we blame that player, and rinse repeat. Too many fans expect something that is not realistic from guys like Ewing on down to Carmleo and now Randle and when they can't perform miracles they are escapegoated and basically run out of town. Our player not Michael, Kobe or Lebron level? **** him and get him out of here.

Randle is nowhere near Melo or Ewing though.

Those guys are Hall-of-Famers and NBA legends, whether we like them or not.

Randle isn't.

It's not Randle's fault that he's miscast as a #1 option when he should really be a #3 option.

But Melo and Ewing were far better than that.

[dakomish23]

Every time down it was an open shot with no adjustments. Feel bad for Mitch but no adjustments has to be on coach . We allowed Derozen to go right and pull up every time instead of forcing him to do something different. We let Vuc get off without breaking a sweat.

0:32: Gibson leaves Vuc to guard the paint. Lavine doesn’t hit a wide open Vuc.

1:14: Mitch leaves ball to guard the paint. Ball open 3.

3:45 Mitch leaves Vuc to guard the paint. Vuc open midrange.

7:24 Mitch leaves Vuc to guard the paint on a PnR . Vuc open 3.

7:43 Mitch leaves Vuc to stop guard the paint on a PnR. Vuc open 3.

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Our scheme works when they don’t have a stretch big. If they have one, it’s easy to pick apart.

Scheme seemed fine last year when we had the best defense in the nba and I don’t remember getting routinely torched by stretch bigs

3:07 Gibson drops to guard paint. Vuc open 3

5:05 Noel drops to guard paint. Vuc open 3

Those are just the makes. They don’t show me every 3 he took.

26 pts. 18 rebs. 3 asts. 2 blks. 3-7 from 3.

You’re 100% wrong about this.

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[Chanel Bomber]

The Ewing-Randle comparison is really a false equivalency.

One was an all-time great player, who probably would've delivered a championship if the front office hadn't failed him by not giving him a proper sidekick in 15 years.

The other is a career-loser who has only made the playoffs once, and had one of the most epic choke-jobs in NBA history in his lone playoff appearance.

Ewing and Melo were unfairly treated by a portion of Knicks fans, that is true. Both were failed by their front offices. But Randle doesn't belong in the same sentence as those guys.

I can't believe y'all are doing this.

[dakomish23]

I mean it’s easy for us to sit back like it’s a my gm on 2k and say they should have blown it up traded the most improved player for draft picks the summer after being a 4 seed and tanked and fired Thibs who just won coach of the year (he isn’t a tank coach) etc etc but if put yourself in the shoes of Leon Rose, who I presume enjoys having a job and doesn’t want to be unemployed, you’d see that you’re not being reasonable and nobody would have done this in reality

And also you’d have to deal with the fanbase who would have insisted that if we kept the 4 seed team together and kept building on it we could be contenders during your whole tank effort which wouldn’t go over nearly as well as 2015-2020 did

Jerry West advised the Clippers to trade Blake Griffin after a jersey retirement ceremony and promises of making him a Clipper for life.

They traded him, and they now have two of the best players in the game in Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

The best front offices do what's best for the franchise. And that includes sometimes making unpopular decisions, like the Warriors trading Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut.

The Knicks were never able to build a contender around Melo partly because they didn't amnesty Amar'e Stoudemire. Yes, it would have been a PR nightmare at the time. He had just made All-NBA, and had supposedly made the Knicks relevant again. But it would have been the right move. Nobody cared about Amar'e just a year after the Knicks amnestied Billups.

The two biggest mistakes were amnestying Billups after we opted in and trading a first for Bargs.

We could have stretched Amare after 12-13 and opened up about 14 mil in space (per Hahn) but they had their eyes set on 15 FA.

[Chanel Bomber]

I mean it’s easy for us to sit back like it’s a my gm on 2k and say they should have blown it up traded the most improved player for draft picks the summer after being a 4 seed and tanked and fired Thibs who just won coach of the year (he isn’t a tank coach) etc etc but if put yourself in the shoes of Leon Rose, who I presume enjoys having a job and doesn’t want to be unemployed, you’d see that you’re not being reasonable and nobody would have done this in reality

And also you’d have to deal with the fanbase who would have insisted that if we kept the 4 seed team together and kept building on it we could be contenders during your whole tank effort which wouldn’t go over nearly as well as 2015-2020 did

Jerry West advised the Clippers to trade Blake Griffin after a jersey retirement ceremony and promises of making him a Clipper for life.

They traded him, and they now have two of the best players in the game in Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

The best front offices do what's best for the franchise. And that includes sometimes making unpopular decisions, like the Warriors trading Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut.

The Knicks were never able to build a contender around Melo partly because they didn't amnesty Amar'e Stoudemire. Yes, it would have been a PR nightmare at the time. He had just made All-NBA, and had supposedly made the Knicks relevant again. But it would have been the right move. Nobody cared about Amar'e just a year after the Knicks amnestied Billups.

The two biggest mistakes were amnestying Billups after we opted in and trading a first for Bargs.

We could have stretched Amare after 12-13 and opened up about 14 mil in space (per Hahn) but they had their eyes set on 15 FA.

Don't forget Dolan blocking the Knicks' trade for Lowry.

[WajaBawl]

There's no one really exciting to root for on this roster except Obi maybe.

[robillionaire]

I mean it’s easy for us to sit back like it’s a my gm on 2k and say they should have blown it up traded the most improved player for draft picks the summer after being a 4 seed and tanked and fired Thibs who just won coach of the year (he isn’t a tank coach) etc etc but if put yourself in the shoes of Leon Rose, who I presume enjoys having a job and doesn’t want to be unemployed, you’d see that you’re not being reasonable and nobody would have done this in reality

And also you’d have to deal with the fanbase who would have insisted that if we kept the 4 seed team together and kept building on it we could be contenders during your whole tank effort which wouldn’t go over nearly as well as 2015-2020 did

Jerry West advised the Clippers to trade Blake Griffin after a jersey retirement ceremony and promises of making him a Clipper for life.

They traded him, and they now have two of the best players in the game in Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

The best front offices do what's best for the franchise. And that includes sometimes making unpopular decisions, like the Warriors trading Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut.

The Knicks were never able to build a contender around Melo partly because they didn't amnesty Amar'e Stoudemire. Yes, it would have been a PR nightmare at the time. He had just made All-NBA, and had supposedly made the Knicks relevant again. But it would have been the right move. Nobody cared about Amar'e just a year after the Knicks amnestied Billups.

They didn’t just trade Griffin for picks so they could tank they got back Tobias Harris who is better than Griffin, and never finished below .500 or tanked in the process. If they tanked Kawhi probably doesn’t go there, they made the playoffs

If we were trading Randle for another good player with a goal to continue trying to win we could do that but that doesn’t seem to be what people are suggesting

The unpopular move was keeping Randle when this fanbase wanted to trade him for Batum and the unpopular decision is now to keep Randle and I applaud them for staying the course

[robillionaire]

0:32: Gibson leaves Vuc to guard the paint. Lavine doesn’t hit a wide open Vuc.

1:14: Mitch leaves ball to guard the paint. Ball open 3.

3:45 Mitch leaves Vuc to guard the paint. Vuc open midrange.

7:24 Mitch leaves Vuc to guard the paint on a PnR . Vuc open 3.

7:43 Mitch leaves Vuc to stop guard the paint on a PnR. Vuc open 3.

Watch on YouTube

Our scheme works when they don’t have a stretch big. If they have one, it’s easy to pick apart.

Scheme seemed fine last year when we had the best defense in the nba and I don’t remember getting routinely torched by stretch bigs

3:07 Gibson drops to guard paint. Vuc open 3

5:05 Noel drops to guard paint. Vuc open 3

Those are just the makes. They don’t show me every 3 he took.

26 pts. 18 rebs. 3 asts. 2 blks. 3-7 from 3.

You’re 100% wrong about this.

Watch on YouTube

Looks like we won the game 113-94. They scored 94 points. Nerlens was a +24 and Vucevic was -9. Nerlens had 5 blocks and 4 steals. Great game to pick to showcase the wide gap in defense we are missing when he isn’t the starter

[HEZI]

The Ewing-Randle comparison is really a false equivalency.

One was an all-time great player, who probably would've delivered a championship if the front office hadn't failed him by not giving him a proper sidekick in 15 years.

The other is a career-loser who has only made the playoffs once, and had one of the most epic choke-jobs in NBA history in his lone playoff appearance.

Ewing and Melo were unfairly treated by a portion of Knicks fans, that is true. Both were failed by their front offices. But Randle doesn't belong in the same sentence as those guys.

I can't believe y'all are doing this.

I’ve heard that Ewing had a big ego and the main reason the FO never got him more help was because he didn’t want it. He didn’t want any of the other stars to come to his territory and he wanted to be the guy

Doesn’t take away how great he was as a player on the court and of course in a whole different stratosphere than Randle talent wise but just thought I’d add to that one bit about the FO failing him

[Chanel Bomber]

I mean it’s easy for us to sit back like it’s a my gm on 2k and say they should have blown it up traded the most improved player for draft picks the summer after being a 4 seed and tanked and fired Thibs who just won coach of the year (he isn’t a tank coach) etc etc but if put yourself in the shoes of Leon Rose, who I presume enjoys having a job and doesn’t want to be unemployed, you’d see that you’re not being reasonable and nobody would have done this in reality

And also you’d have to deal with the fanbase who would have insisted that if we kept the 4 seed team together and kept building on it we could be contenders during your whole tank effort which wouldn’t go over nearly as well as 2015-2020 did

Jerry West advised the Clippers to trade Blake Griffin after a jersey retirement ceremony and promises of making him a Clipper for life.

They traded him, and they now have two of the best players in the game in Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

The best front offices do what's best for the franchise. And that includes sometimes making unpopular decisions, like the Warriors trading Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut.

The Knicks were never able to build a contender around Melo partly because they didn't amnesty Amar'e Stoudemire. Yes, it would have been a PR nightmare at the time. He had just made All-NBA, and had supposedly made the Knicks relevant again. But it would have been the right move. Nobody cared about Amar'e just a year after the Knicks amnestied Billups.

They didn’t just trade Griffin for picks so they could tank they got back Tobias Harris who is better than Griffin, and never finished below .500 or tanked in the process. If they tanked Kawhi probably doesn’t go there, they made the playoffs

If we were trading Randle for another good player with a goal to continue trying to win we could do that but that doesn’t seem to be what people are suggesting

The unpopular move was keeping Randle when this fanbase wanted to trade him for Batum and the unpopular decision is now to keep Randle and I applaud them for staying the course

Keeping Randle is not the unpopular move now lol. He's still getting MVP chants at the Garden

I think most Knicks fans still want to keep him today. A growing section doesn't.

You're right that keeping him was the unpopular move a year and a half ago.

Harris was not perceived to be as good as Griffin when the trade was made. You're right that they didn't trade him just for picks, but they mostly traded him for cap space, and they got a player in return that turned out to be better than what the general perception was at the time.

In any case, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Depends on your assets, the market, player movement etc. I think we're in a period now where most established stars are where they want to be, and the younger generation of stars have many years left on their contracts. Dame is the one difference-maker who could be available, but he'll be 32 at the end of the season, there will be plenty of suitors (some with better trade packages than us) and he's probably better suited to be a #2 as well.

I guess we'll see how Randle's career pans out.