Messi is on a 673 million USD 4 yr deal. If there was no salary cap do you think any NBA players would earn as much?

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Post#41 » by Blacksheep25 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 3:57 pm

Joshyjess wrote:I remember reading that when Lebron went back to Cleveland he brought roughly 1 billion dollars worth of revenue with him to the city. I suppose using numbers like that you could justify paying a player a salary north of 100 million. After all if a player brings his team / city tons of money, I suppose he is worth such a massive salary.


He did. That’s the only way an NBA guy would make quite this much. If you funded it like you do a stadium. Or an economic revitalization zone.

I’d go see the Cavs and think how important he was. Bars and eateries that would be dead on a Tuesday filled and able to charge more. Then add in the increased traffic to adjacent casinos where there are those.

I almost think these guys are more important to smaller markets in that sense. From what I understand, Giannis has a similar effect.

In LA or NYC, places are jammed anyway most likely.

So to a struggling region, a few guys are worth more to local business and the local economy than even that number. but you’d need to drop the cap and fund it though some small tax from all the local businesses or the city itself. I don’t know how it would be put in practice, but when Lebron left in 2010, between what it cost Gilbert and every local business, it certainly exceeded that number. But no one can shoulder it alone
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Post#42 » by CobraCommander » Sat Dec 4, 2021 3:59 pm

Joshyjess wrote:I remember reading that when Lebron went back to Cleveland he brought roughly 1 billion dollars worth of revenue with him to the city. I suppose using numbers like that you could justify paying a player a salary north of 100 million. After all if a player brings his team / city tons of money, I suppose he is worth such a massive salary.

Exactly...to Cleveland Lebron worth 300 mil a year or much much much more if he generates 1 billion a year in revenue. If it’s 1 billion in total? Then it’s about over what period and who gets the money.


This is maybe a little too complicated for REALGM and my comment may be better for WallStar bets lol.

Plif Lebron brought 1 billion in coming back to Cleveland, what happens to Cleveland when he leaves?

Look at Lebron as a factory or a plant that has a 18 or 19 year life cycle and in hindsight, 100 a year for Lebron in Cleveland wouldn’t be outrageous at all if he injects revenue into the area and during that time, Cleveland found other ways to stay relevant(tourism, high end food, high end hotels and maybe some un related economy that could only exist because the govt took the money from the Lebron rise and put it into growing a separate money/tax generating economy like a tax exempt tech start up grant or something to prop up the businesses in the area so that when the Lebron factory closes they still have a booming economy.

I went to Cleveland to see cavs games and it was nice... and I worked around Cleveland state University- To an outsider, the Lebron effect was real and wasn’t capitalized on for the long run...but if it was 100 mil a year for that would have been worth it.


100 mil for Lebron in Miami or La might be different...if anything it might be more about how much money the Lakers or heat made themselves. Lebron ain’t bringing more people to outside businesses in Miami or LA (not at the Cleveland level)

All and all - I think it depends on the the market and the level of star. Only Lebron seems to be worth over 100-200 million right now- I don’t think there is another NBA star that is famous beyond basketball-

Lebron is the only Player near jordan...but he is closer to Shaq... and Barkley is way more famous than any current basketball player to the avg non-basketball fan or non-sports fans.

There are people in The DMV that don’t know what Wall or Beal or KD look like. And I have friends that don’t watch basketball that don’t know who harden or Luka are. They know Kyrie because duke and flat earth- And that’s because we are connected to duke personally and the flat earth crap.
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Post#43 » by Loaded_Hollows » Sat Dec 4, 2021 4:02 pm

KazuoOda wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:Messi the GOAT...All i wanted to say.

Messi is the 2nd best player.

But….soccer is terrible. So who cares :lol:
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Post#44 » by frica » Sat Dec 4, 2021 4:04 pm

-Luke- wrote:It don't really follow soccer anymore. But is it fair to say that average NBA players earn a lot more than average soccer players in Europe?

What do you mean with average soccer players in Europe?
Does that include 2nd and 3rd division?

Average salary in the NBA is 8 million dollars or so.
That's higher than for soccer, even for the top leagues.
But the NBA has only 500 or so active players. (Think that includes players without a minimum contract)

The Premier League alone has 500 active players.
Then you still have a Spain, Italy, France, Germany, etc. etc.

A top 2000 player can still earn millions with soccer.
Don't think so with basketball.
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Post#45 » by -Luke- » Sat Dec 4, 2021 4:48 pm

frica wrote:
-Luke- wrote:It don't really follow soccer anymore. But is it fair to say that average NBA players earn a lot more than average soccer players in Europe?

What do you mean with average soccer players in Europe?
Does that include 2nd and 3rd division?

Average salary in the NBA is 8 million dollars or so.
That's higher than for soccer, even for the top leagues.
But the NBA has only 500 or so active players. (Think that includes players without a minimum contract)

The Premier League alone has 500 active players.
Then you still have a Spain, Italy, France, Germany, etc. etc.

A top 2000 player can still earn millions with soccer.
Don't think so with basketball.

You're right. "Average player" is a pretty vague term. What I meant was for example: Average player in the Premier League, Bundesliga, Primera Division (not counting 2nd or 3rd Divisions).

My perception was that let's say the 7th or 8th best player on the Pacers or Blazers (average NBA team) earns more than the 10th or 11th best player on Aston Villa or Borussia Mönchengladbach or Villarreal (average teams in their respective league).

But that perception could easily be wrong.
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Post#46 » by magicman1978 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 5:35 pm

Soccer contracts include marketing rights, so it's not an apples to apples comparison to NBA contracts.
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Post#47 » by ItsDanger » Sat Dec 4, 2021 6:09 pm

You might see exorbitant salaries where no salary cap exists due to the ownership being extremely wealthy. A sign of the times that many here should consider more thoroughly.
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Post#48 » by Inspektor1312 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 6:18 pm

Tracymcgoaty wrote:Messi the GOAT...All i wanted to say.

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Post#49 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sat Dec 4, 2021 6:48 pm

With salary cap, Giannis or other top guys would easily get 75-100. With no tax / cap, someone would give 100m plus.
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Post#50 » by Bankai » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:19 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:Soccer is much bigger than nba world wide


Maybe so, but ill probably will not accept the fact that someone can make that much playing a sport. Im sorry.

And I mean this in general. If LeBron was making $100 Million a year, I would think that its insanity.
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Post#51 » by frica » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:38 pm

-Luke- wrote:
frica wrote:
-Luke- wrote:It don't really follow soccer anymore. But is it fair to say that average NBA players earn a lot more than average soccer players in Europe?

What do you mean with average soccer players in Europe?
Does that include 2nd and 3rd division?

Average salary in the NBA is 8 million dollars or so.
That's higher than for soccer, even for the top leagues.
But the NBA has only 500 or so active players. (Think that includes players without a minimum contract)

The Premier League alone has 500 active players.
Then you still have a Spain, Italy, France, Germany, etc. etc.

A top 2000 player can still earn millions with soccer.
Don't think so with basketball.

You're right. "Average player" is a pretty vague term. What I meant was for example: Average player in the Premier League, Bundesliga, Primera Division (not counting 2nd or 3rd Divisions).

My perception was that let's say the 7th or 8th best player on the Pacers or Blazers (average NBA team) earns more than the 10th or 11th best player on Aston Villa or Borussia Mönchengladbach or Villarreal (average teams in their respective league).

But that perception could easily be wrong.

I think your perception is right.

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/aston-villa-fc/payroll/

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2022.html (Scroll below for payrolls)
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Post#52 » by TrueFan420 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:03 pm

NRSV wrote:Not close to that imo. That contract basically bankrupted that club by the way.

That contract is at PSG and they certainly aren’t bankrupt. As for Barca, what bankrupt them wasn’t his contract but their terrible terrible spending in the markets. Go look at their transfers. They’ve been terrible there just get papered over by Messi and his greatness. Now that it’s gone it’s coming to the light.

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