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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#861 » by the_process » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:33 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Even if SGA doesn't become a full-fledged superstar, he still has the skillset and playstyle to be a great pairing with Embiid. He's 6'6" and he both dribble penetrates and shoots threes. He's much of what we're asking for.


There's a reason Josh Giddey is the PG and not SGA. That's the skillset you should be asking for.


You can throw the ball to SGA on the wing with 10 seconds left and say "get a bucket". He probably will. That is what they need.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#862 » by syntax » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:38 pm

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syntax wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Even if SGA doesn't become a full-fledged superstar, he still has the skillset and playstyle to be a great pairing with Embiid. He's 6'6" and he both dribble penetrates and shoots threes. He's much of what we're asking for.


There's a reason Josh Giddey is the PG and not SGA. That's the skillset you should be asking for.


You can throw the ball to SGA on the wing with 10 seconds left and say "get a bucket". He probably will. That is what they need.


Do you throw it to CP3 to run the play? Or Booker?
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#863 » by Kobblehead » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:40 pm

Shai has a combined 28% assist percentage in these last two seasons. He's more than sufficient a passer. Nobody cares about guys being a "floor general" anymore.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#864 » by Kobblehead » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:45 pm

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syntax wrote:
There's a reason Josh Giddey is the PG and not SGA. That's the skillset you should be asking for.


You can throw the ball to SGA on the wing with 10 seconds left and say "get a bucket". He probably will. That is what they need.


Do you throw it to CP3 to run the play? Or Booker?

You give it to the guy most able to score an unassisted bucket. So you'd give that to Chris Paul (11.1% assisted) over Devin Booker (36.9% assisted), obviously.

Shai is assisted on just 20.7% of his buckets. So he's the best of both worlds. Creates off the dribble like Paul, drills threes like Booker.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#865 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:49 pm

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syntax wrote:
the_process wrote:
You can throw the ball to SGA on the wing with 10 seconds left and say "get a bucket". He probably will. That is what they need.


Do you throw it to CP3 to run the play? Or Booker?

You give it to the guy most able to score an unassisted bucket. So you'd give that to Chris Paul (11.1% assisted) over Devin Booker (36.9% assisted), obviously.

Shai is assisted on just 20.7% of his buckets. So he's the best of both worlds. Creates off the dribble like Paul, drills threes like Booker.


But wasn't Chris Paul very overrated? I'm confused here.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#866 » by syntax » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:52 pm

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syntax wrote:
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You can throw the ball to SGA on the wing with 10 seconds left and say "get a bucket". He probably will. That is what they need.


Do you throw it to CP3 to run the play? Or Booker?

You give it to the guy most able to score an unassisted bucket. So you'd give that to Chris Paul (11.1% assisted) over Devin Booker (36.9% assisted), obviously.

Shai is assisted on just 20.7% of his buckets. So he's the best of both worlds. Creates off the dribble like Paul, drills threes like Booker.


Gilgeous-Alexander shot 39.2% from 10-14 feet and 34.8% from 15-19 feet. Even in today’s 3-point-heavy game, that’s the area that separates the great scorers from the elite. The Phoenix Suns don’t get to the NBA Finals if Chris Paul (52.2% form 10-14, 52.4% from 15-19) and Devin Booker (52.4%, 50.3%) aren’t money from there throughout the season.

Gilgeous-Alexander can also go back to cutting. He only attempted two shots off cuts last season, a career-low.

Two shots all season off cuts. Can't move off the ball. Can't shoot midrange. Gets to the rim and shoots 3s.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#867 » by Kobblehead » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:56 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
syntax wrote:
Do you throw it to CP3 to run the play? Or Booker?

You give it to the guy most able to score an unassisted bucket. So you'd give that to Chris Paul (11.1% assisted) over Devin Booker (36.9% assisted), obviously.

Shai is assisted on just 20.7% of his buckets. So he's the best of both worlds. Creates off the dribble like Paul, drills threes like Booker.


But wasn't Chris Paul very overrated? I'm confused here.

In what context? His skillset is fantastic. Is he overrated from a legacy perspective? Of course.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#868 » by Kobblehead » Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:57 pm

syntax wrote:Gets to the rim and shoots 3s.

Do you have time right now? I'd like to introduce you to my friend Daryl.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#869 » by syntax » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:03 pm

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syntax wrote:Gets to the rim and shoots 3s.

Do you have time right now? I'd like to introduce you to my friend Daryl.


Who has a 7footer shooting midrange all day?

Any scorer is money in the midrange.

His TS% is 24th percentile this season which isn't great. Maybe he'll be great.

https://craftednba.com/players/shai-gilgeous-alexander
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#870 » by Kobblehead » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:06 pm

Shai is in concussion protocols. Maybe an excuse to finalize this deal? Pleaaaaasssee.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#871 » by stormi » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:06 pm

https://craftednba.com/players/tobias-harris

Most similar to Devin Booker offensively?

Yeah ight.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#872 » by syntax » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:08 pm

He actually got wacked twice in the one game and they don't know which one caused the concussion :lol:
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#873 » by KramerDSP » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:17 pm

Here’s some fleshing out of the poison pill provision re: Shai:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/12/11-players-affected-by-poison-pill-provision-in-2021-22.html
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#874 » by Mik317 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:21 pm

Giddey is Australian.

lol
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#875 » by stormi » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:22 pm

KramerDSP wrote:Here’s some fleshing out of the poison pill provision re: Shai:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/12/11-players-affected-by-poison-pill-provision-in-2021-22.html


Essentially a 1 for 1 swap works contract wise with Young Socialite.

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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#876 » by syntax » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:24 pm

Mik317 wrote:Giddey is Australian.

lol


Thats Western Conference Rookie of the Month Giddey.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#877 » by Kobblehead » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:30 pm

Honestly, I don't think Giddey is good.

Bad per minute scoring production, non-shooter, bad scoring efficiency.

To me, he's only been slightly less disappointing than Killian Hayes. Not sure what you're supposed to do with a guy like him.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#878 » by syntax » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:37 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Honestly, I don't think Giddey is good.

Bad per minute scoring production, non-shooter, bad scoring efficiency.

To me, he's only been slightly less disappointing than Killian Hayes. Not sure what you're supposed to do with a guy like him.


Maybe other things happen on a court other than scoring. He leads the team in rebounds as a PG and isn't a great shooter... you see where i'm going with this.

He does shoot 50% off pick and roll floaters though.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#879 » by Kobblehead » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:46 pm

The NBA has realized it's useless to have the ball in the hands of players who can't score or shoot. The only path for Giddey becoming a good player is for him to develop a willing trigger from three so he can play off the ball. Look at Rubio this year for Cleveland. That's the blueprint for Giddey ever being useful.

Otherwise, he's just a 6'8" Elfrid Payton.
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Re: Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho 

Post#880 » by syntax » Sat Dec 4, 2021 11:11 pm

Kobblehead wrote:The NBA has realized it's useless to have the ball in the hands of players who can't score or shoot. The only path for Giddey becoming a good player is for him to develop a willing trigger from three so he can play off the ball. Look at Rubio this year for Cleveland. That's the blueprint for Giddey ever being useful.

Otherwise, he's just a 6'8" Elfrid Payton.


He is currently averaging 10.4 points (eighth among rookies), 7.2 rebounds (third), 5.8 assists (1st), 1.0 steals (sixth), and 0.7 blocks (third) in 29.4 minutes per game.

He's 19 year old rook, stealing, blocking, assisting and rebounding more than just about anyone in his draft class. He runs a ton of pick and rolls and shoots 50% on them.

His shooting will improve

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