PG - oh no, we suck again

[nykfan42]

Flat out pathetic performance. They are 5-8 at home and looks like straight dumpster trash. I’m disgusted with this team. Last year at least they fought hard and played with effort and heart. Now they are a mess.

The more i watch this garbage the more open I get to a Dame trade. No one on this roster deems me to show any loyalty to them anymore. Disgraceful.

[sims]

Quite frankly, we might be better off blowing it up and going full Thunder than going after Dame

we are better off.....but let the dame trade commence!!!!!!!!

Honestly, for all my problems with trading for just Dame, at least that would give us a sense of direction

We're just meandering around right now, feels like we're just waiting for it to all click or for us to fall off a cliff, and the cliff seems more likely.

this team wasn't built to win - it was built to keep ppl from getting fired. our young "talent" isn't really talent, our "star" isn't a star, our offseason signings are nothing more than empty contracts that don't move the needle at all. scott perry is the embodiment of mediocrity. thibs isn't bad but he's an overrated regular season overarchiever who's really only here to stop the bleeding and give off the veneer of professionalism until something better comes along. i can say without a trace of irony that i would be in favor of cleaning house and handing the team over to a fresh face like brock aller. i mean what do we really have to lose? as it is this team has the spirit of a crew of low-ceiling company men who are only in it for the paycheck. sure, it's an improvement over the mills era, but not by much.

rj is putting up a 10 PER in year three. this is going nowhere

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Read on Twitter

Fire Thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BLOW IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Visiting raps fan here. Thibs is hilarious. We have "Thibs of the North", Nick Nurse, coaching for us, so can relate.

[Iron Mantis]

0-3 since Kemba was pulled from the rotation…

That’s what Thibs gets for trying to fix something that wasn’t broken, smdh

Meh, don't think Kemba wins those games for the Knicks against Bkn or Chi.

This game today was a head scratcher though. Just awful defense, intensity, and offensive execution from start to finish.

[thebuzzardman]

I’d love that

But a full rebuild won’t ever happen here

And if that's the case it's bs if Dolan then. Not us Knick fans

"You can't rebuild in NY" they say that bc the fans are impatient but nearly the entire fan base would be on board with it. So what are we really talking about here? Gotta be Dolan

Well, kind of

Lot of fans are too impatient. Just look in here seeing guys sh*tting on RJ not even halfway through year 3. And yeah, odds are he isn't gonna be the guy for us, but he's shown that he could be a really good player

If we don't draft a guy who's a star from day 1, fans aren't patient enough to wait a few years before declaring them a bust.

We wouldn't sh*t on him if he was any good. He's really not.
He's "ok".
I mean, that's fine if he was drafted 20th.
He was drafted 3rd.
It's a setback.
Not as bad a setback as completely whiffing with Frank and Knox, but it's pretty unfortunate coming on the heels of that.

[Chanel Bomber]

we are better off.....but let the dame trade commence!!!!!!!!

Honestly, for all my problems with trading for just Dame, at least that would give us a sense of direction

We're just meandering around right now, feels like we're just waiting for it to all click or for us to fall off a cliff, and the cliff seems more likely.

this team wasn't built to win - it was built to keep ppl from getting fired. our young "talent" isn't really talent, our "star" isn't a star, our offseason signings are nothing more than empty contracts that don't move the needle at all. scott perry is the embodiment of mediocrity. thibs isn't bad but he's an overrated regular season overarchiever who's really only here to stop the bleeding and give off the veneer of professionalism until something better comes along. i can say without a trace of irony that i would be in favor of cleaning house and handing the team over to a fresh face like brock aller. i mean what do we really have to lose? as it is this team has the spirit of a crew of low-ceiling company men who are only in it for the paycheck. sure, it's an improvement over the mills era, but not by much.

rj is putting up a 10 PER in year three. this is going nowhere

Fact after fact after fact.

[DOT]

And if that's the case it's bs if Dolan then. Not us Knick fans

"You can't rebuild in NY" they say that bc the fans are impatient but nearly the entire fan base would be on board with it. So what are we really talking about here? Gotta be Dolan

Well, kind of

Lot of fans are too impatient. Just look in here seeing guys sh*tting on RJ not even halfway through year 3. And yeah, odds are he isn't gonna be the guy for us, but he's shown that he could be a really good player

If we don't draft a guy who's a star from day 1, fans aren't patient enough to wait a few years before declaring them a bust.

We wouldn't sh*t on him if he was any good. He's really not.
He's "ok".
I mean, that's fine if he was drafted 20th.
He was drafted 3rd.
It's a setback.
Not as bad a setback as completely whiffing with Frank and Knox, but it's pretty unfortunate coming on the heels of that.

Yeah, I mean 11/4/1.3 on 40/25/62 in his 3rd year is just dreadful

Oh wait, that was Jaylen Brown's first 20 games his 3rd year

RJ's so much worse, just 14/6/2 on 40/31/70 splits... wait a second

He's having a bad year yeah, but y'all are obnoxiously excessive about it. And y'all pretend like he doesn't show flashes, but he does. He's inconsistent (meaning bad right now) but I don't know why y'all are like, so ready to sh*t on draft picks. It's like y'all want them to be bad

I'm fine with people saying he's regressed, cause he has so far, but god damn are y'all just excessively pessimistic about everything. It's like a fetish for you people, you want the Knicks to be bad so you can go "woe is me, I'm such a suffering Knicks fan" and have people pity you. He'll be fine, it'd be one thing if he had looked like this the whole time, but last year he looked pretty good, so it's clear he does have some potential

It's just so annoying that whenever RJ misses a shot, the next page and a half of any game thread is unreadable. Y'all give up on guys at every little setback, it's absurd. Nobody's allowed any time to be bad but show flashes, if you're not a star day one, half the fanbase is gonna want you gone. And that's why you can't rebuild in New York.

[DaGawd]

Nobody sucks for 3 seasons then suddenly becomes great..

[Jimmit79]

You guys will get your wish and firings will happen but a savior is not coming here this is a cursed franchise.

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[3toheadmelo]

Didn’t watch but looking at the box score randle had no help once again. Sad!

As the Knicks continue to lose and Randle stat pads the rest of the season, everyone will lose interest in the game threads until it's only me making bipolar posts, GreenArrow quoting me and adding a million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Shams quoting both and saying "Jesus"

Fixed

[3toheadmelo]

Didn’t watch but looking at the box score randle had no help once again. Sad!

24/7/8

Watch on YouTube

[BugginOut]

We need to start winning games before this team makes a panic trade that will keep us stuck in mediocrity.

Hopefully Leon has patience, but cashing in all our chips to get a borderline/declining star who will just take us to the 2nd round will be crippling.

[thebuzzardman]

iq and mitch make no money and are exceeding their draft position. blaming either one of them is laughable.

Mitch has absolutely played up to a guy drafted at 33 instead of 36

IQ definitely performing like a guy drafted at 20 instead of 23

[Red Vines]

Once you get exposed as not a tough defensive team there's no becoming or going back to being a tough defensive team. You can't switch it on and off. Also the dream of putting together an old-school style "tough" NY team needs to end, it will never happen and if it does they won't be able to score.

[DaGawd]

We need to start winning games before this team makes a panic trade that will keep us stuck in mediocrity.

Hopefully Leon has patience, but cashing in all our chips to get a borderline/declining star who will just take us to the 2nd round will be crippling.

Were kind of already in mediocrity. We can’t really make an impact trade because all our young talent is one big steaming pile of meh

[thebuzzardman]

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Wow!!!!!!!!!

So, who will be the first Knick rookie to resign?

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Jokubitus

[BugginOut]

I think you and I disagree on Fox. Fox fits the Randle archetype imo, just in a different position. I don't think he's a great talent.

Honestly, I don't see Fox as a #1 guy because I just don't think you can have his playstyle and be a #1 guy in today's league

I know I have the reputation as a Ja hater, but even him, I think he'd be better off as a secondary scorer with someone else to be the #1 while he focuses on playmaking

So I would actually kind of agree on the Randle thing, to the point of, he'd be a decent 2nd/3rd option on a good team and would help them win if he focused on facilitating and put in the effort on defense. And that he's limited as a #1.

Exactly players like Ja and Fox need to be a #1 since their defense and off ball potential is limited.

Randle, on his contract, is perfect for a 2nd or 3rd option role, because with less responsibility he has shown to be effective just due to his passing, rebounding and defense. Though if his 3 point shooting doesn’t come back it will make team building difficult with spacing

[thebuzzardman]

Honestly, for all my problems with trading for just Dame, at least that would give us a sense of direction

We're just meandering around right now, feels like we're just waiting for it to all click or for us to fall off a cliff, and the cliff seems more likely.

this team wasn't built to win - it was built to keep ppl from getting fired. our young "talent" isn't really talent, our "star" isn't a star, our offseason signings are nothing more than empty contracts that don't move the needle at all. scott perry is the embodiment of mediocrity. thibs isn't bad but he's an overrated regular season overarchiever who's really only here to stop the bleeding and give off the veneer of professionalism until something better comes along. i can say without a trace of irony that i would be in favor of cleaning house and handing the team over to a fresh face like brock aller. i mean what do we really have to lose? as it is this team has the spirit of a crew of low-ceiling company men who are only in it for the paycheck. sure, it's an improvement over the mills era, but not by much.

rj is putting up a 10 PER in year three. this is going nowhere

Fact after fact after fact.

Brock Aller lives for assigning the correct dollar value to assets
Rumor has it Brock Aller has hung himself in the MSG employee lounge

[thebuzzardman]

Well, kind of

Lot of fans are too impatient. Just look in here seeing guys sh*tting on RJ not even halfway through year 3. And yeah, odds are he isn't gonna be the guy for us, but he's shown that he could be a really good player

If we don't draft a guy who's a star from day 1, fans aren't patient enough to wait a few years before declaring them a bust.

We wouldn't sh*t on him if he was any good. He's really not.
He's "ok".
I mean, that's fine if he was drafted 20th.
He was drafted 3rd.
It's a setback.
Not as bad a setback as completely whiffing with Frank and Knox, but it's pretty unfortunate coming on the heels of that.

Yeah, I mean 11/4/1.3 on 40/25/62 in his 3rd year is just dreadful

Oh wait, that was Jaylen Brown's first 20 games his 3rd year

RJ's so much worse, just 14/6/2 on 40/31/70 splits... wait a second

He's having a bad year yeah, but y'all are obnoxiously excessive about it. And y'all pretend like he doesn't show flashes, but he does. He's inconsistent (meaning bad right now) but I don't know why y'all are like, so ready to sh*t on draft picks. It's like y'all want them to be bad

I'm fine with people saying he's regressed, cause he has so far, but god damn are y'all just excessively pessimistic about everything. It's like a fetish for you people, you want the Knicks to be bad so you can go "woe is me, I'm such a suffering Knicks fan" and have people pity you. He'll be fine, it'd be one thing if he had looked like this the whole time, but last year he looked pretty good, so it's clear he does have some potential

It's just so annoying that whenever RJ misses a shot, the next page and a half of any game thread is unreadable. Y'all give up on guys at every little setback, it's absurd. Nobody's allowed any time to be bad but show flashes, if you're not a star day one, half the fanbase is gonna want you gone. And that's why you can't rebuild in New York.

Jaylen Brown is a freak athlete who needed to polish obvious raw skills
RJ Barrett is a stiff robot whose got the hops of Larry Bird and the skills of Lance Thomas.

Pity? Who the f*ck wants that? Not me. I'm just facing the facts these young Knicks just aren't that good.
It's not like the vets are all that good either, but that's another discussion.
Except Burks.
Burks is clearly awesome.

[Chanel Bomber]

Well, kind of

Lot of fans are too impatient. Just look in here seeing guys sh*tting on RJ not even halfway through year 3. And yeah, odds are he isn't gonna be the guy for us, but he's shown that he could be a really good player

If we don't draft a guy who's a star from day 1, fans aren't patient enough to wait a few years before declaring them a bust.

We wouldn't sh*t on him if he was any good. He's really not.
He's "ok".
I mean, that's fine if he was drafted 20th.
He was drafted 3rd.
It's a setback.
Not as bad a setback as completely whiffing with Frank and Knox, but it's pretty unfortunate coming on the heels of that.

Yeah, I mean 11/4/1.3 on 40/25/62 in his 3rd year is just dreadful

Oh wait, that was Jaylen Brown's first 20 games his 3rd year

RJ's so much worse, just 14/6/2 on 40/31/70 splits... wait a second

He's having a bad year yeah, but y'all are obnoxiously excessive about it. And y'all pretend like he doesn't show flashes, but he does. He's inconsistent (meaning bad right now) but I don't know why y'all are like, so ready to sh*t on draft picks. It's like y'all want them to be bad

I'm fine with people saying he's regressed, cause he has so far, but god damn are y'all just excessively pessimistic about everything. It's like a fetish for you people, you want the Knicks to be bad so you can go "woe is me, I'm such a suffering Knicks fan" and have people pity you. He'll be fine, it'd be one thing if he had looked like this the whole time, but last year he looked pretty good, so it's clear he does have some potential

It's just so annoying that whenever RJ misses a shot, the next page and a half of any game thread is unreadable. Y'all give up on guys at every little setback, it's absurd. Nobody's allowed any time to be bad but show flashes, if you're not a star day one, half the fanbase is gonna want you gone. And that's why you can't rebuild in New York.

The problem with the Knicks is not primarily lack of patience by the fans, but lack of solid talent evaluation by the organization.

A lot of optimistic Knicks fans preached patience with Frank and Knox, quite aggressively and arrogantly in the case of Frank I might add, only for them to become spectacular busts. It never happened with them. A lot of people were upset we traded KP because they thought he was a superstar talent. He wasn't. We had people calling Gallinari and Chandler untouchable a decade ago and saying it's only a matter of time. Well, it wasn't a matter of time - neither one of them became an All-Star (although Gallinari had a solid career - but he was much more talented than RJ).

We've been through it too many times. We hang our hopes on mediocre young talent because the perceived upside (due to their age) is the only source of hope in an otherwise depressing situation. That doesn't mean that patience will make it happen for them.

RJ has regressed from last season, and he wasn't even good last year.

It's not just about the numbers, which are absolutely dreadful across the board, it's also the eye test. Brown has always been an elite athlete. His upside was always higher than RJ because of this. He also showed better touch around the rim. By his third year he was above-average in finishing from 0-3 feet. RJ is still well-below average (7 percentage points below league-average to be exact). Brown showed that he could get efficient shots. RJ hasn't.

RJ just has too many things going against him. A terribly slow first step, below-average athleticism, terrible touch around the rim, an unreliable jumpshot, 0 ability to create off the dribble, a handle that's high and frankly generic. And he's not a difference-maker on the other end either.