Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[mjkvol]

Lillard apparently said if he is traded, he wants to go to the Knicks. Strange for someone claiming he wants a ring to pick a big market over a potentially better team?

I'd be very cautious about trading for Dame. 31 and out with a lingering injury having a career worst year shooting 36.5% from the field and 25.5% from three and whining about the new rules multiple times.

If I'm Portland I'm at least thinking about trading Dame while his stock is high, instead of CJ.

Neither play and defense and neither will help the Sixers fwiw.

Lillard has been way down on my list of potential trades since the beginning, and now even more so. An aging small guard owed a ton of money and clearly affected by the new rules and ball? No. Thank. You.

[mjkvol]

https://craftednba.com/players/tobias-harris

Most similar to Devin Booker offensively?

Yeah right.

3 Malcolm Brogdon
4 Brandon Ingram
5 DeMar DeRozan
6 Ja Morant


How about these. Just as insane.

[Bum Adebayo]

You give it to the guy most able to score an unassisted bucket. So you'd give that to Chris Paul (11.1% assisted) over Devin Booker (36.9% assisted), obviously.

Shai is assisted on just 20.7% of his buckets. So he's the best of both worlds. Creates off the dribble like Paul, drills threes like Booker.

But wasn't Chris Paul very overrated? I'm confused here.

In what context? His skillset is fantastic. Is he overrated from a legacy perspective? Of course.

Not really, because he hasn't won anything, not many overrate him due to this.

[PhillyFan11]

Ben
Tobi
Basset
Joe

To Cleveland for:

Love
Rubio
Osman
Okoro
22 Lottery Protected 1st.

[stormi]

Troll post above do not engage.

[Kobblehead]

Who better to teach Jaden Springer to embrace the three ball than Shai Alexander? They literally had identical shooting profiles as prospects. Look at what the three ball did for Shai's offensive explosion. Imagine if Springer broke out into a secret star.

[Stanford]

Chris Paul is the goat point guard

[Kobblehead]

Chris Paul is a cheap imitation of Isaiah Thomas without any of the emotional intelligence and true leadership qualities that Zeke possessed, which allowed him to be a real winner. Paul self-sabotaged every winning situation he was ever in with his sociopathic personality.

I can appreciate the mid-30s epiphany that Paul has had. But he should have been this guy during his prime. Would have been a multi time champion if he did.

[syntax]

Chris Paul is a cheap imitation of Isaiah Thomas without any of the emotional intelligence and true leadership qualities that Zeke possessed, which allowed him to be a real winner. Paul self-sabotaged every winning situation he was ever in with his sociopathic personality.

I can appreciate the mid-30s epiphany that Paul has had. But he should have been this guy during his prime. Would have been a multi time champion if he did.

I'm not CP3 lover, but the guy is a good and still killing it at age 36.. .all 6 feet of him.

He's also made 9 ALL-NBA defensive teams (mostly 1st team) and 10 All-NBA teams (mostly 1st team).

[Skates]

Chris Paul is a cheap imitation of Isaiah Thomas without any of the emotional intelligence and true leadership qualities that Zeke possessed, which allowed him to be a real winner. Paul self-sabotaged every winning situation he was ever in with his sociopathic personality.

I can appreciate the mid-30s epiphany that Paul has had. But he should have been this guy during his prime. Would have been a multi time champion if he did.

Isiah Thomas and leadership should never be used in the same sentence, he was a joke as leaders go, he was entirely selfish and ego driven, basically disliked by most other players and would never have come close to a championship without Joe Dumars doing the heavy lifting on defense and leadership. Thomas was the biggest name on the team, and the best scorer, but far from being the leader. That is right up there with your comments that Dennis Rodman wasn't a good defender (talking Pistons days, not get every rebound Bulls days). Not at all credible for anyone who was a fan back in those days.

[Kobblehead]

he was entirely selfish and ego driven, basically disliked by most other players

And galvanized and lead the Pistons to two championships and shaped the defensive culture for the whole dynasty.

Dumars is overrated defensively, too. Like Rodman, got by on perception and being pesky on elite defensive teams. Nowhere near an elite defender worthy of 5 all defensive teams. I dare someone to claim he was a better defender than Nate McMillan.

[ProcessDoctor]

Portland getting blown out at home vs Boston. A few more of these beatdowns coming up too.

[Samson]

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Because then we have 38/40 off the books. I state things in direct correlation to this teams predicament.

It’s not if Irving plays or not that’s a bonus if he does.

Fact is 38/48 for Tobithus is a death sentence next two seasons.

Say the Ben coming back thing is out of the question too.

Okay there’s what 70mil that’s a negative value. Bringing anything back is addition by subtraction.

It’s a simple financial exercise if you’ve made a bad investment you get out of it as soon as possible because if it lingers you hemorrhage more the further you have the liable asset.

Irving has a PO that’s perfect for us. It means the cost is about zero and the return potentially can be amazing but even if it doesn’t happen it’s still great because now with Harris & Ben gone it opens up our flexibility. The upside is sky high and that’s a free thing

Trading 101. Ain’t about the personal/emotions it’s about what is needed to be done.

Could be as simple as Harris for CJ we win that trade shaving off 15mil and getting a better fit. No brainer

Or it could be Harden wants out and goes back to being Morey’s love child with us lol I don’t know if we have better strip joints compared to NY.

The trade deadline will shake things up

Bro I think you need to talk to someone, you're literally delusional. We get it. You want to trade Tobias Harris and trade for Kyrie Irving. Neither is going to happen, no matter how many times you "accessed" it.. I'm not sure your deal but just because you say things, you believe things, that doesn't actually make them true. Go outside and dig a hole and pound some sand, you'll feel better in no time. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.

[Kobblehead]

Hope for Shai, get prepared for McCollum.

I hope Morey can at least get Greg Brown back in the trade. That guy is going to be incredible.

[Kobblehead]

USA Today proposed:

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: G Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G/F Kenrich Williams, UTA 2024 1st Round Pick (Top-10 Protected, via OKC), PHI 2025 1st Round Pick (via OKC)

Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: G/F Ben Simmons, G Jaden Springer, G Isaiah Joe, PHI 2022 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

[Zumramania]

Seems like a fair deal, Springer and Joe both have solid potential. We'd be limiting our options for internal growth, but I guess that's the price. We'd have the ammo to unload Tobias and get a good return that fits well into the lineup. I could see this team becoming a contender.

[Kobblehead]

I'm hoping Presti would ask for Maxey and Thybulle instead of Joe and Springer.

[Zumramania]

I'm hoping Presti would ask for Maxey and Thybulle instead of Joe and Springer.

Trae Young when guarded by Tyrese Maxey last night:

•4 PTS
•2 TOV
•1-8 FG
•12.5 FG%

[stormi]

Rank:

Springer, Thybulle, Maxey, Joe

In terms of most to least likely y'all want traded. You could throw Milton or Reed in as well.

[Kobblehead]

What's the significance of that other than being a neat factoid? Maxey is relatively hopeless defensively. He's small and has no instincts for deflections.

And on the other end, for whatever reason, he's allergic to spacing the floor. A problem Isaiah Joe certainly does not have. As an offense-only player, I prefer to have a spacer as opposed to a non-spacer.