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[NetsWorld]

Another thing, glad Harden didn't sign that max extension we wanted to give him . If he's going to get out of shape every offseason and have to take him 30 games into the season to get back to normal, then we should look around because it'll only get worse. He is so great, but it's so annoying when he plays lazy and careless. At times he just throws the ball away or drain the shot clock for a step back 3. It's horrible basketball. And that laziness won't win a title.

I think the Nets are monitoring that situation; what do you do next year? Hypothetically speaking, you can sign and trade Harden for Simmons and hope Kyrie comes back and plays all of his games. I think that would be ideal. KD/Kyrie seems to be more efficient than Harden/KD, especially against the other top teams. KD/Kyrie/Simmons, that's pretty scary.

[Papi_swav]

Another thing, glad Harden didn't sign that max extension we wanted to give him . If he's going to get out of shape every offseason and have to take him 30 games into the season to get back to normal, then we should look around because it'll only get worse. He is so great, but it's so annoying when he plays lazy and careless. At times he just throws the ball away or drain the shot clock for a step back 3. It's horrible basketball. And that laziness won't win a title.

I think the Nets are monitoring that situation; what do you do next year? Hypothetically speaking, you can sign and trade Harden for Simmons and hope Kyrie comes back and plays all of his games. I think that would be ideal. KD/Kyrie seems to be more efficient than Harden/KD, especially against the other top teams. KD/Kyrie/Simmons, that's pretty scary.

IDK we're kinda in a jimmy. We spent so much to get him. Well he has the rest of the year to show out

[Jay555]

Major depression. Iam not able to fully comprehend what has happened to my favorite player right now. I’m sticking by him though and will take the lumps and pray he gets his explosion and shots falling. We would have won this game if those gimmies had fallen. But that’s no excuse. He took the blame at least.

If you were a Rocket turned Nets fan like me, think about how CP3 was like the year after he pulled his hammy. Harden is going through the same thing. It’s a much longer process than people think. like you said, support him through this tough times. He will come good eventually but it takes time..

I don’t doubt his heart and his desire to win. CP3 definitely took a lot of heat after his hammy and became “the worst contract in the NBA”. When he was traded for Westbrook I was physically sick. To come so close to winning it all and see it ripped apart …. We can’t see the same thing happen again. I have faith. Just have to get through this time.

Looking back, It was definitely a panic selling by the Rockets. Harden needs to be way more disciplined tho.h He’s not taking care of his body.

[HardenGoat]

Another thing, glad Harden didn't sign that max extension we wanted to give him . If he's going to get out of shape every offseason and have to take him 30 games into the season to get back to normal, then we should look around because it'll only get worse. He is so great, but it's so annoying when he plays lazy and careless. At times he just throws the ball away or drain the shot clock for a step back 3. It's horrible basketball. And that laziness won't win a title.

I think the Nets are monitoring that situation; what do you do next year? Hypothetically speaking, you can sign and trade Harden for Simmons and hope Kyrie comes back and plays all of his games. I think that would be ideal. KD/Kyrie seems to be more efficient than Harden/KD, especially against the other top teams. KD/Kyrie/Simmons, that's pretty scary.

But if Harden comes back and is paired with Embiid and shooters… Morey would assemble a monster.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Harden still looks like **** but I'm not giving up yet. He was incredible last year.

Did he really just lose it? Is he the next Deron Williams?

I seriously doubt it. You have to assume he figures it out.

[NetsWorld]

Another thing, glad Harden didn't sign that max extension we wanted to give him . If he's going to get out of shape every offseason and have to take him 30 games into the season to get back to normal, then we should look around because it'll only get worse. He is so great, but it's so annoying when he plays lazy and careless. At times he just throws the ball away or drain the shot clock for a step back 3. It's horrible basketball. And that laziness won't win a title.

I think the Nets are monitoring that situation; what do you do next year? Hypothetically speaking, you can sign and trade Harden for Simmons and hope Kyrie comes back and plays all of his games. I think that would be ideal. KD/Kyrie seems to be more efficient than Harden/KD, especially against the other top teams. KD/Kyrie/Simmons, that's pretty scary.

But if Harden comes back and is paired with Embiid and shooters… Morey would assemble a monster.

Rockets Harden and last year Nets Harden, yes they are scary but we shall see. Philly wouldn’t beat a KD/Ky/Simmons trio even with Harden/Embiid.

[sashaturiaf]

Another thing, glad Harden didn't sign that max extension we wanted to give him . If he's going to get out of shape every offseason and have to take him 30 games into the season to get back to normal, then we should look around because it'll only get worse. He is so great, but it's so annoying when he plays lazy and careless. At times he just throws the ball away or drain the shot clock for a step back 3. It's horrible basketball. And that laziness won't win a title.

Lavine and Derozan made Harden look second rate.

I've never seen a dropoff like this over a single offseason for a player of Hardens caliber and age. I'm starting to legitimately get worried since his dominant scoring game definitely had a a gimmicky sort of element to it and I hope this isn't the new Harden

[Pablo Escobar]

Harden looks washed.

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

Not an unexpected loss... The only positive takeaway is we weren't blown out again and actually had chances to win it late despite playing terribly.

The Claxton guessing game continues... And if Blake doesn't play again by Christmas, then it might already be a full-on DJ treatment, which is a shame.

[GTR11]

Harden still looks like **** but I'm not giving up yet. He was incredible last year.

Did he really just lose it? Is he the next Deron Williams?

I seriously doubt it. You have to assume he figures it out.

After D.Will fiasco I legitimately have developed fobia. Nets org not being 100% honest with fans got be worried, I at the point of thinking it won't get better with his hammy this year.

[MrDollarBills]

One thing I notice about Harden is that at the rim he tends to pull up short on his lay ups. I definitely think he's afraid of pulling his hamstring again and it's effecting his play, on top of the fact that refs aren't calling obvious contact.

I'm not ready to turn on the guy like many folks here have though. This dude played on one leg for this team. If he needs time to get himself to where he was last year, we really have no choice.

However, the fact that we run no offense except everyone stand on the side and corner and watch Harden dribble is a huge part of the reason why he is also struggling. The ball is not moving, no one is moving, no back door cuts, screens, nothing. Last season we were doing a lot more than this. Instead our offense is literally watching KD and Harden take contested shots and Mills/Aldridge hitting bail out shots when these guys decide to pass.

We get beat by good teams because frankly, it's easy to defend against. Just leave Bembry or Brown open and double Harden/KD and it's either a turnover or a missed shot.

We're not going to beat anyone good like this.

[NetsWorld]

One thing I notice about Harden is that at the rim he tends to pull up short on his lay ups. I definitely think he's afraid of pulling his hamstring again and it's effecting his play, on top of the fact that refs aren't calling obvious contact.

I'm not ready to turn on the guy like many folks here have though. This dude played on one leg for this team. If he needs time to get himself to where he was last year, we really have no choice.

However, the fact that we run no offense except everyone stand on the side and corner and watch Harden dribble is a huge part of the reason why he is also struggling. The ball is not moving, no one is moving, no back door cuts, screens, nothing. Last season we were doing a lot more than this. Instead our offense is literally watching KD and Harden take contested shots and Mills/Aldridge hitting bail out shots when these guys decide to pass.

We get beat by good teams because frankly, it's easy to defend against. Just leave Bembry or Brown open and double Harden/KD and it's either a turnover or a missed shot.

We're not going to beat anyone good like this.

Kyrie solves this problem easily. Bring his ass in, the good teams get demolished. That’s how good this Nets team can be and we were assembled with the team revolving strictly around the big three and the others being contributors as role players, ala Miami’s scheme in 2010-2013

[HardenGoat]

It’s weird though, if Harden is legitimately washed he would have signed a 4 year contract already. The fact he didn’t means he is willing to take a risk for the sake of winning. My gut tells me he knows this and just won’t give 100 percent yet until he is ready, where the games become critical and the reward outweighs the risk. He is all in but right now we are only seeing snapshots of a timeline which from the outside looks like he is just lazy. In Harden I trust. Iam going to trust the process.

[NetsWorld]

It’s weird though, if Harden is legitimately washed he would have signed a 4 year contract already. The fact he didn’t means he is willing to take a risk for the sake of winning. My gut tells me he knows this and just won’t give 100 percent yet until he is ready, where the games become critical and the reward outweighs the risk. He is all in but right now we are only seeing snapshots of a timeline which from the outside looks like he is just lazy. In Harden I trust. Iam going to trust the process.

I hope I’m wrong and you are right. But KD looked visibly upset at this loss. If Ky at least tells the team outright he ain’t planning on playing at all, then they could make a move. He really tied our hands by saying he won’t play for anyone else. At this point, I would move him for Lillard/Mccolum or KAT/Prince. We need two players to make up for his loss and I believe that’s how you do it. Getting anyone of those combos will boost us offensively while Harris is out and Kyrie leaves.

[HardenGoat]

It’s weird though, if Harden is legitimately washed he would have signed a 4 year contract already. The fact he didn’t means he is willing to take a risk for the sake of winning. My gut tells me he knows this and just won’t give 100 percent yet until he is ready, where the games become critical and the reward outweighs the risk. He is all in but right now we are only seeing snapshots of a timeline which from the outside looks like he is just lazy. In Harden I trust. Iam going to trust the process.

I hope I’m wrong and you are right. But KD looked visibly upset at this loss. If Ky at least tells the team outright he ain’t planning on playing at all, then they could make a move. He really tied our hands by saying he won’t play for anyone else. At this point, I would move him for Lillard/Mccolum or KAT/Prince. We need two players to make up for his loss and I believe that’s how you do it. Getting anyone of those combos will boost us offensively while Harris is out and Kyrie leaves.

The latest from Shams was Kyrie would play if traded to a non mandated team. He just won’t get vaccinated for us. He has trade value, but the ball is in Durants court and he wasn’t allowing anything. After this game though and how upset he looked anything could happen. Anything is better than the nothing we have right now as he is dug in for the season. For example we could have used Simmons defense last night not saying that’s the best trade but it would have won that game.

[MrDollarBills]

It’s weird though, if Harden is legitimately washed he would have signed a 4 year contract already. The fact he didn’t means he is willing to take a risk for the sake of winning. My gut tells me he knows this and just won’t give 100 percent yet until he is ready, where the games become critical and the reward outweighs the risk. He is all in but right now we are only seeing snapshots of a timeline which from the outside looks like he is just lazy. In Harden I trust. Iam going to trust the process.

He's struggling, but calling him washed is overblown and anyone insinuating that is too stupid to bother addressing

[NetsWorld]

Kyrie for LeBron. Put him in LBj’s shoes and let him experience what he is experiencing. LBJ with KD would make the Warrior nut huggers scream at us and the league would hate us more than they ever have. LBJ and KD would dominate.

[NetsWorld]

It’s weird though, if Harden is legitimately washed he would have signed a 4 year contract already. The fact he didn’t means he is willing to take a risk for the sake of winning. My gut tells me he knows this and just won’t give 100 percent yet until he is ready, where the games become critical and the reward outweighs the risk. He is all in but right now we are only seeing snapshots of a timeline which from the outside looks like he is just lazy. In Harden I trust. Iam going to trust the process.

I hope I’m wrong and you are right. But KD looked visibly upset at this loss. If Ky at least tells the team outright he ain’t planning on playing at all, then they could make a move. He really tied our hands by saying he won’t play for anyone else. At this point, I would move him for Lillard/Mccolum or KAT/Prince. We need two players to make up for his loss and I believe that’s how you do it. Getting anyone of those combos will boost us offensively while Harris is out and Kyrie leaves.

The latest from Shams was Kyrie would play if traded to a non mandated team. He just won’t get vaccinated for us. He has trade value, but the ball is in Durants court and he wasn’t allowing anything. After this game though and how upset he looked anything could happen. Anything is better than the nothing we have right now as he is dug in for the season. For example we could have used Simmons defense last night not saying that’s the best trade but it would have won that game.

He can play if traded, doesn’t mean he will. Shams statement was fairly clear. He isn’t vaxxed and only way he can play is if he’s traded…. Will he choose to play is another question. He created a horrible cloud on our heads.

[jc23]

we caught you guys twice on b2b's, i think its impressive your 1st in the east with the kyrie and harden situations. KD is still the scariest player in the league imo.

[Prokorov]

Harden still looks like **** but I'm not giving up yet. He was incredible last year.

Did he really just lose it? Is he the next Deron Williams?

I seriously doubt it. You have to assume he figures it out.

The current version of harden is still an all-nba player that every team would give the max.

how many 21/9/8 on 60 TS% players are there in the league?