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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#141 » by mj234eva » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:11 am

Mk0 wrote:
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dice wrote:the most consequential was probably ron harper, followed closely by steve kerr. so yeah, slim pickings


Taking a trip down memory lane...it's sad:
Ben Wallace, Carlos Boozer, Jalen Rose, Eddie Robinson, Tim Thomas, Ron Mercer...

Thanks. I hate it.


Can't forget the first "big" FA signing post MJ.

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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#142 » by Mk0 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:14 am

kodo wrote:Oh my this rookie...


The only response I have for this video is the same response I had for my wife when we went to the Bulls @ Clippers game and she saw Ayo for the first time..

She asked, "Why does that guy wear his shorts so high?"
I said, "Because he is here to play some motherf%#ing defense"

Rook doesn't disappoint!
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#143 » by Mk0 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:15 am

Proud winner of tonight's Taj Gibson Award For Feats In The Areas Of Heart, Hustle, and Muscle goes to Ayo Dosunmu!
Congrats on your first ever TGAFFITAOHHaM young man. You earned it!
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#144 » by Mk0 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:19 am

The Force. wrote:Harden is so lazy. On that Lonzo 3 he didn’t even attempt to close out, just stood there watching as Zo drained the most clutch shot of the game.


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As a fat person I take offense to this. Harden isn't lazy. He is just fat.
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Post#145 » by Mk0 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:23 am

MannheimBull wrote:... and Richard Jefferson is in love with him. To the point where he wanted a continuation on several calls against his own Team.

This was real and it was amazing. He even got a "well at least you are honest" in response to him lobbying for giving DDR a continuation late in the game.
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Post#146 » by Wingy » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:27 am

Brooklyn didn’t bring the zone, and hardly any doubles.

Does Nash suck, or does he respect us, and is saving it for the playoffs??
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Post#147 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:19 pm

The Force. wrote:Harden is so lazy. On that Lonzo 3 he didn’t even attempt to close out, just stood there watching as Zo drained the most clutch shot of the game.


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It was the biggest play of the game and he couldn’t be bothered to close out. Didn’t bother an attempt at boxing out someone else either. Just inexcusable.
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Post#148 » by erlim » Sun Dec 5, 2021 1:02 pm

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BloodyQ wrote:Did Will Perdue and Kendall Gill just talked about trading Coby? Are they allowed to say that kind of stuff in the postgame show? Maybe something is in the works.



That's not cool at all. Coby was probably at home watching the broadcast himself.

But, it's apart of the game so ....


To be fair, the way that they presented it was as something that was beneficial for all parties.
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Post#149 » by Mk0 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 1:28 pm

I really like Billy's post game interviews. This one in particular is very good.
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#151 » by TheFinishSniper » Sun Dec 5, 2021 1:41 pm

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The Force. wrote:Harden is so lazy. On that Lonzo 3 he didn’t even attempt to close out, just stood there watching as Zo drained the most clutch shot of the game.


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As a fat person I take offense to this. Harden isn't lazy. He is just fat.

He is lazy because even when in shape in galaxy far far away he just doesnt care about defense. Being fat just give him extra excuse.
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Post#152 » by Almost Retired » Sun Dec 5, 2021 1:43 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:I certainly dont want to derail and I may move this after but does anyone else see a comparison of Ayo/Coby with Taj/Tyrus?

When I look at it, thats how I feel.

If you remember, Tyrus actually had better stats, far more explosive on defense than Taj, and made spectacular plays that only he could do on offense. But he also made boneheaded plays, was inconsistent and you couldn't trust him on either offense or defense.

Taj was just steady, nothing flashy, solid on D and the biggest thing was, you could Trust Taj. Taj's ceiling was nowhere near what Tyrus could have been, but it obviously didnt matter. Taj had a long solid career while Tyrus flamed out in 6 years.

Maybe I am a prisoner of the moment, but I think its a good take.


It also highlights the importance of BBIQ. Give me above average athletes with high BBIQ over freak athletes with mush between their ears every time. High BBIQ players adapt to the situation, position themselves to the best advantage, anticipate plays before they happen. Bird wasn't a freak athlete. Yet he's a Top-10 player of all time. MJ had one of the best BBIQs of all time. Ayo says he's lucky to have BD.....he's even luckier to be exposed to DDR, Caruso and Ball on a daily basis. All 3 of them have high BBIQs.
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#153 » by Almost Retired » Sun Dec 5, 2021 1:57 pm

wolffy wrote:Bulls need to be careful trading Coby. When teams start doubling zach and DDR we have few guys that can punish it. And i wouldnt want to rely on Ayo for that.


Sensing what kind of kid Ayo is, how hungry he is to improve and learn, how he wants to show the rest of the league that they made a BIG mistake passing him over....I think he's going to work really hard on his outside shooting in the off season and he's going to come back in Year 2 a much more reliable outside threat.
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Post#154 » by bearadonisdna » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:10 pm

Mk0 wrote:I really like Billy's post game interviews. This one in particular is very good.


You are right it is very good,
He explained how the team can get better and acknowledged the team goal at the end of the year is to be up here : his hand raised high denoting level .

Shoring things up , playing good ball now to establish an identity .
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#155 » by coldfish » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:16 pm

wolffy wrote:Bulls need to be careful trading Coby. When teams start doubling zach and DDR we have few guys that can punish it. And i wouldnt want to rely on Ayo for that.


IMO, Coby is a lot like Pat. The idea of Coby fits perfectly with what Chicago needs. The reality falls well short of that. He has shot less than 30% in 7 of 9 games that he has played in. He was better last year but he still had serious issues with consistency.

Right now, Ayo really is a better shooter than Coby and at the rate things are going, that gap is going to increase.
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Post#156 » by kodo » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:32 pm

Wingy wrote:Brooklyn didn’t bring the zone, and hardly any doubles.

Does Nash suck, or does he respect us, and is saving it for the playoffs??


They're a better defensive team than we are, top 5 defense in the league. Nash probably went with the "just keep things consistent" because their defense is currently elite.

I don't think Brooklyn has had 2 players go off for almost 30 against them the way Lavine & Demar have. Phoenix had Booker drop 30 but CP3 only 22. Curry went off for 30+ but the next best guy was 19. When they played Miami Butler had 17 and Lowry had 9. Nash has installed a good defense, just didn't slow down DDR & Lavine.
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#157 » by Jcool0 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:33 pm

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wolffy wrote:Bulls need to be careful trading Coby. When teams start doubling zach and DDR we have few guys that can punish it. And i wouldnt want to rely on Ayo for that.


Sensing what kind of kid Ayo is, how hungry he is to improve and learn, how he wants to show the rest of the league that they made a BIG mistake passing him over....I think he's going to work really hard on his outside shooting in the off season and he's going to come back in Year 2 a much more reliable outside threat.


I think he has the will but not the athleticism. He might end up a good player but some of his weaknesses he might never totally overcome.
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#158 » by FriedRise » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:33 pm

wolffy wrote:Bulls need to be careful trading Coby. When teams start doubling zach and DDR we have few guys that can punish it. And i wouldnt want to rely on Ayo for that.


Wonder if we can trade a package involving Coby for a big who can shoot, like Barnes or Boucher.
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Post#159 » by Flopper » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:35 pm

WestsideResider wrote:The guy filling in for Amin tonight was decent.

Flat out better IMO. His calls and interactions with King seemed were smooth throughout the game, with none of the awkwardness or repetitiveness you sometimes get with Amin.
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Re: PG:Kings of New York 

Post#160 » by DuckIII » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:43 pm

Dan Z wrote:I look at the moves AKME made this off-season and when I specifically think about Caruso, DeRozan and Ball I wonder why more teams didn't go after them?

I guess they didn't see the same value in those players that AKME did. I know when he made those moves I wasn't sure about them, but looking back I'm glad the Bulls have a front office that didn't want to spend years rebuilding.


It could be a couple of things. NBA GMs, just like NBA fans, have differing opinions on players. Ball, specifically, I suspect was viewed very differently by a lot of different GMs. Just like he was here. And really, Ball’s not a great fit on a lot of teams. I’ve been high on him since UCLA and after seeing him completely change his shot in the NBA downright fell in love with him as the perfect fit next to Zach and what this roster needed. But I can see a lot of teams considering him to not be a good use of money considering his unusual type of old school point guard play.

Caruso had interest and multiple offers. But it appears from snippets he wanted either the Lakers or the Bulls and the Bulls offered more years.

DDR is the real head scratcher. He was being talked about both before and after the Bulls signed him as some sort of veteran riding into the sunset who would be a nice role player. Which made no sense considering he continued to play at an incredibly high level in SA and, in fact, had added to his game. It appears the whole league and every member of the media who covers the league had a groupthink brain cramp on him inconsistent with the evidence. Never did make much sense. Not that I expected him to play at an MVP level like he is right now. But still, there was no reason for anyone to think he was no longer an Allstar level player.
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